Don't hate the player ... hate the game. At least we are making a difference
in the craft beer world rather than writing man period posts. Nice to see
that this group is still a ****ing match ... pathetic. I'd seek professional
help if I were you ... sounds like you have some pent up aggression you need
to beat out of yourself.

BTW you are ****ing clueless ... IMO. Have a nice day.
--
Jason Alstrom
--
BeerAdvocate.com New England Beer Fest - October 29th 2005
http://beeradvocate.com/fests/
--
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Todd @ BeerAdvocate wrote:
>>
>> I can almost guarantee that you won't want me to do this, so how about a
>> pint of beer instead? (take the pint, your head will thank you)
>
> Why not? Todd, sorry to burst your bubble here, but you and Jason are
> hardly anything to fear(anyone can shave their head and grow a goatee
> Todd). What? Do you fancy yourself "goons"? Are you saying, that Scott
> really does not want this to come to blows, because you might kick his
> ass, or you are just saying this is something petty to argue over? I
> hope for YOUR sake the latter. If not? It makes you a baboon. I saw you
> and your bro a few years back at a beer fest in RI, and you and Jason
> are hardly intimidating. Some might say the only thing "tough" about
> you two, is you are tough to look at. BeerAdvocate has come a LONG way
> since it was "two fun loving homebrewing brothers" with a little
> website, but keep in mind, you still play to a very selective audience,
> and some of us who have been around for a while? We really aren't too
> impressed with your little website, no matter how popular it has
> gotten.
>
>
>> Respect Beer.
>
> No Todd, you DO NOT have to "respect" beer. This is a foolish notion. I
> share your passion, but NO, beer does not have to be respected, anymore
> than any other product. RESPECT Mustard! RESPECT Twinkies! As Scott
> says, people make choices in this world Todd, and some people, don't
> chose beer, and will NEVER respect it, no matter how much you and I do.
> Try to wrap your head around that, and can the fako, tough guy, macho
> bravado bullshit. Scott might drop you quicker than shit though a
> goose.
>

No shit ... I drop by to innocently post about GABF, and a couple of
keyboard toughguys turn the thread into a cock fest, and a limp one at that.
Maybe we should stick around for a while and give this "group" a dose of
much needed Viagra, bring 'em back to the rfdb of the 90's, and see what
happens?

In the meantime, you can hate us all you want (a sign of success, and we
thank you for your hate) ... but what the **** have you done for beer today?
My guess is ... **** all.

Respect Beer.

--
Todd Alström
http://BeerAdvocate.com
--
New England Beer Fest - October 29, 2005
http://beeradvocate.com/fests/
--

> Childishness. Go play elsewhere or I'll tell your mommy.

Feels good to be back.

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message news:ixD0f.549
> First off, I'm just stating facts as I see 'em, not trying to "prove" a
> damn thing. I also am not passing judgement on the behavior that I see
> as a possibility.

> : "Bill Benzel" > wrote in message news:sDb0f.463
> :> Of course there's no possibility that SN brewed up a small batch of
> :> Bigfoot just to enter at GABF, is there? Only the little brewpubs do
> :> that -- you know, the guys who never have the beer that won their gold
> :> medal when you seek them out. SN wouldn't do that now, would they?

....and again...

> :> care in handling was taken. I can only speculate as to whether the
> :> contents were drawn from a "regular" batch on not.

My inference is off, I guess, but that doesn't look like "just stating
facts" and it does sound a bit judgmental.

> Second, I never said a damn thing about being disappointed in Bigfoot
> lately -- If I did, point me to the post.

Now there, I owe you an apology: the OP was "Bill Bradley" (who WAS
disappointed in Bigfoot), you picked up the thread right in the middle as he
disappeared, and the similarity in names threw me. Sorry, Bill.

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

"Todd @ BeerAdvocate" > wrote in message
news:YsQ0f.1868$_a6.1400@trndny02...

> No shit ... I drop by to innocently post about GABF, and a couple of
> keyboard toughguys turn the thread into a cock fest, and a limp one at
> that.

Let's just say the dick wagging is coming from all direction in this ****ing
match. There are plenty of pots calling out black kettles at the moment.

> Maybe we should stick around for a while and give this "group" a dose of
> much needed Viagra, bring 'em back to the rfdb of the 90's, and see what
> happens?

Well, you'd have to round up a couple other suspects, and I'm not sure
anyone wants that. God knows how nice it is now that Bruels is MIA.

Seriously, I think you guys should stick around. You'd have good things to
bring up and discuss. I'd like to see more of that than just drive-by
promotion that seems to be the norm. And god knows usenet is withering on
the vine, and any livening up is a good thing. Well, within reason. There's
some livening up like the old days that I can live without.

>
> In the meantime, you can hate us all you want (a sign of success, and we
> thank you for your hate)

You guys have a good thing going with Beeradvocate, but it's hardly
something worth getting a giant chubby over. I'd venture to guess for those
that hate, it has reasons to do that go beyond that.

Me? I don't much mind what you guys do. Promote, come up with silly slogans,
discuss, point out news, whatever.

> ... but what the **** have you done for beer today? My guess is ... ****
> all.

I wasn't aware we were supposed to be doing anything *for* beer, beyond
maybe buying it and appreciating it. And, really, buying it is the best
thing someone can do "for" beer, because that's what enables the people who
make it to keep making it. Everything else is useless without that.

-Steve

Todd @ BeerAdvocate > wrote:
>No shit ... I drop by to innocently post about GABF, and a couple of
>keyboard toughguys turn the thread into a cock fest, and a limp one at that.

More projection.
--
Joel Plutchak

"I never let anything as tenuous as moral standards get in the way of
drinking beer." - Jon Binkley in rec.food.drink.beer

"Todd @ BeerAdvocate" > wrote in
news:MVA0f.53$kE5.11@trndny03:

[blah.]

Email privately. .

While I think you're overly self-promotional sometimes, I'd like to buy you a beer.


Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

"Lew Bryson" > wrote in
:

> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
>> "Lew Bryson" > wrote in
>>> I do know of a number
>>> of brewpubs who DO save GABF-winning batches to serve
>>> around the holidays; is there a particular reason why
>>> they should serve them right after GABF? It escapes me
>>
>> Advertizing, self-promotion, pretty shiny things at the
>> host station escape you? Selling their award-winning beer
>> at the venue itself..."escapes" you?
>
> Yeah, it does, when you have to shuffle your serving order

Huh?

> and you've already got something planned.

Huh?

> hang
> the medals up, smile a lot, and promise them a big event in
> two months (when you had it planned for anyway). But it
> doesn't PROVE that the beer doesn't exist except for the
> GABF; which is my point.

What the **** are you talking about? Lying to customers? Won
with a 1.085 weizen in the Eisbock category?

What?

The?

**** are you talking about?

>> The hefeweizen "she gives great head" thing escapes me.
>
> I'm not surprised, with you sitting in that squid kettle.
> It won't escape me when I cash the check in about two
> weeks.

You got paid so you win. Uh...

I've gotten paid for chica and Whitney articles and local news
in the Long Beach Press-Telegram...So my opinion has extra
weight, right?

"She’s not the kind of beer you take home to mom,"

It's OK to take hefe home to mom. What is so raucous/riotous
not-for-you-mommy-come-****-me-heels about heferweezen?

"but you’ll want to bury your face in her big piles of foam."

So funny. You are the master.

> After all, she gives great head."

That SO takes me back to my sophomore year.

Sophomore...no. Sorry. 7th grade. Or maybe 4th.

Is this the kind of shit that pays your mortgage? How do I get
started in this business 'cause I can do this.

"Arrogant ******* sucks cock in the shithouse for nickels.
Don't take this beer home to mom because it's a shitty beer."

"Split Beaver Ale is... well, it's every pair of panties you
ever stole from your married buddy's laundry basket."

"Whatever happened to pubic hair on women? 'Do I look 14
yet?' doesn't work for me."

>>> Just because you were disappointed with Bigfoot lately
>>> doesn't mean everyone was. Taste is subjective,
>>
>> I got scoresheets that say otherwise.
>
> Number Boy. Drink your scoresheets.

I'll drink any beer at any competition that breaks 40.



Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

"Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
> What the **** are you talking about? Lying to customers? Won
> with a 1.085 weizen in the Eisbock category?
>
> What?
>
> The?
>
> **** are you talking about?

I really don't have a clue what you're going on about here. Really.

>>> The hefeweizen "she gives great head" thing escapes me.
>>
>> I'm not surprised, with you sitting in that squid kettle.
>> It won't escape me when I cash the check in about two
>> weeks.
>
> You got paid so you win. Uh...

Who said I win? I got paid. That's all. That's why I write it. It's not a
mission, or art, it's a job. And as for the sophomoric humor...I write for
the market. Would I write that way if I were publishing and paying myself?
No, but I can write that way for a market. And if you can get paid for this
kind of writing, by all means, do so. In fact, I'd really rather you did and
didn't give it away. Helps the market.

Anything else?

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

"Todd @ BeerAdvocate" > wrote in
news:YsQ0f.1868$_a6.1400@trndny02:

> No shit ... I drop by to innocently

"Innocently"...

<giggle>

> post about GABF, and a
> couple of keyboard toughguys

I'm less anonymous than you are, toughguy.

And hey toughguy: I'm not trying to sell anything. You are.

> turn the thread into a cock
> fest, and a limp one at that.

But you respond.

> Maybe we should stick around
> for a while and give this "group" a dose of much needed
> Viagra, bring 'em back to the rfdb of the 90's, and see
> what happens?

Yes, beer is all about a 12" rigid cock.

This "group" is one of the main avenues of your self-
promotion.

> In the meantime, you can hate us all you want

Don't hate you. Your web site is one of the best. I dislike
the way you both get defensive at the reaction to your spam.

> (a sign of
> success, and we thank you for your hate) ... but what the
> **** have you done for beer today? My guess is ... ****
> all.

I judged at the LA County Fair Commerial Beer Competition.

> Respect Beer.

I respect people that have actually achieved something. John
Young and Gordon Fullerton leap to mind. Cardenas, Hoover...
Beer...Beer is a beverage. Nothing more. I don't
respect..things. A DB7 is my dream car, but respect the DB7
or even the manufacturer? Aston-Martin provides a product.
Respect? I should respect...Audi? No. I don't respect A-M
or beer...But I do respect Mallich and Cross and Apt and
Adams and Fulton and Cotton and Dana or...hell, Maytag and
Koch.

Respect beer - that's just ****ing stupid. No two ways about
it. You're trying to invent a slogan. Send my bumpersticker
to Lew. Thanks.


Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

"Lew Bryson" > wrote in
news
> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
>> What the **** are you talking about? Lying to customers?
>> Won with a 1.085 weizen in the Eisbock category?
>>
>> What?
>>
>> The?
>>
>> **** are you talking about?
>
> I really don't have a clue what you're going on about here.
> Really.

me>> Advertizing, self-promotion, pretty shiny things at the
host
me>> station escape you? Selling their award-winning beer at
the
me>> venue itself..."escapes" you?
>
you> Yeah, it does, when you have to shuffle your
you> serving order and you've
you> already got something planned. Screw it, hang
you> the medals up, smile a lot,
you> and promise them a big event in two months (when
you> you had it planned for
you> anyway). But it doesn't PROVE that the beer
you> doesn't exist except for the
you> GABF; which is my point.

Still don't get it. "Shuffle?" "Planned?" "Big event?"

Don't...get it.

>>>> The hefeweizen "she gives great head" thing escapes me.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised, with you sitting in that squid kettle.
>>> It won't escape me when I cash the check in about two
>>> weeks.
>>
>> You got paid so you win. Uh...
>
> Who said I win? I got paid. That's all.

I thought you were saying that you got paid so your opinion
has greater weight.

> And if you can get paid
> for this kind of writing, by all means, do so. In fact, I'd
> really rather you did and didn't give it away. Helps the
> market.

Agreed.

> Anything else?

If ever I meet you face to face I am going to kiss you full
on the mouth. Neither one of us will enjoy it, but I'm
emotionally invested at this point.



Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

"Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
> "Lew Bryson" > wrote in
>> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
>>> What the **** are you talking about? Lying to customers?
>>> Won with a 1.085 weizen in the Eisbock category?

See, THIS is what I don't get. If you mean do some places slip a tiny-batch
beer in that's way over-category, and then never make that beer again? Okay,
if that's what you mean (and I'm not straw-manning or putting words in your
mouth, just trying to figger what you mean, honest), then they suck for
making tiny super-batches, almost as much as the judges do for not throwing
it right to hell out of the category for being overdone.

> me>> Advertizing, self-promotion, pretty shiny things at the
> host
> me>> station escape you? Selling their award-winning beer at
> the
> me>> venue itself..."escapes" you?
>>
> you> Yeah, it does, when you have to shuffle your
> you> serving order and you've
> you> already got something planned. Screw it, hang
> you> the medals up, smile a lot,
> you> and promise them a big event in two months (when
> you> you had it planned for
> you> anyway). But it doesn't PROVE that the beer
> you> doesn't exist except for the
> you> GABF; which is my point.
>
> Still don't get it. "Shuffle?" "Planned?" "Big event?"

Okay, the shuffle: NO brewery knows they're going to win a medal, so why
plan to have your entry beers up? You WANT to draw attention to the fact
that you didn't win? I would probably work them into rotation in about a
month, which gives me time to plan and publicize an event honoring my
brewer. I just don't understand why not having your medal-winning beer on
tap for the three weeks after GABF "proves" that you made a mini-super-batch
just to win a medal.

>>>>> The hefeweizen "she gives great head" thing escapes me.
>>>> It won't escape me when I cash the check in about two
>>>> weeks.
>>> You got paid so you win. Uh...
>>
>> Who said I win? I got paid. That's all.
>
> I thought you were saying that you got paid so your opinion
> has greater weight.

No, I've never felt that and I hope I've never said that. I do feel that
drinking a wide variety of beers for over twenty years and thinking a lot
about them gives my opinion greater weight than a noob's, but you're no
noob. The main reason I wrote that was because I got paid for it. The world
at large didn't need yet another piece about hefeweizen, but that site did.
So I wrote one. Just as tonight I'm writing another piece for them on the
basics of brewing in which I compare malting to jerking a bull. Don't miss
it.

>> And if you can get paid
>> for this kind of writing, by all means, do so. In fact, I'd
>> really rather you did and didn't give it away. Helps the
>> market.
>
> Agreed.

Wish more people understood that. I'm trying to pay some bills here.

>> Anything else?
>
> If ever I meet you face to face I am going to kiss you full
> on the mouth. Neither one of us will enjoy it, but I'm
> emotionally invested at this point.

Catch me if you can.

--
Lew Bryson

Their clothes are weird, their music sucks and they drink
malternatives. And now you tell me they probably don't think Sierra
Nevada is cool? This is what the passage of years does to you: It
makes everyone around you more stupid. -- Michael Stewart 6/24/02

www.lewbryson.com

"Lew Bryson" > wrote in
:

> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
>> "Lew Bryson" > wrote in
>>> "Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in
>>> message
>>>> What the **** are you talking about? Lying to
>>>> customers? Won with a 1.085 weizen in the Eisbock
>>>> category?
>
> See, THIS is what I don't get. If you mean do some places
> slip a tiny-batch beer in that's way over-category, and
> then never make that beer again? Okay, if that's what you
> mean (and I'm not straw-manning or putting words in your
> mouth, just trying to figger what you mean, honest),

Well, you caught me. That is pretty much what I meant. I think
Places do this. But upon reflection I think most brick-and-
mortar operations probably don't have the time (or more
importantly, the capacity) to brew up a special batch for
competition.

> then
> they suck for making tiny super-batches,

Disagree to an extent. What if a brewer has become bored of
Blond and Wheat but knows how to make a lovely B-Wine? While it
might not normally be on, it was brewed there. Maybe it leads
to demand for something other than something that NEEDS a slice
of lemon. And if Augie MVIII can spend $500k/half-minute to
tell me his underattenunated mess of a beer is "the best in
world", then I would think the local yeast farm should get to
pull one out once in a while.

> almost as much as
> the judges do for not throwing it right to hell out of the
> category for being overdone.

I've been judging for 7 or so years now (BJCP rank of Certified
- and that's as, um, "high" as I'll ever get as there is NO WAY
I'm going to take that bitch of a test again.) In the last 2 or
3 years, part of the post-score discussion has included "Is it
too big for style?" I've seen (only once, but still) a judge
show up with a hydrometer. I think the, er, community is
sensitive to 1.055 Milds.

>> Still don't get it. "Shuffle?" "Planned?" "Big event?"
>
> Okay, the shuffle: NO brewery knows they're going to win a
> medal, so why plan to have your entry beers up?

If I make a perfectly good Porter I shouldn't enter it because
it might not win and therefore I can't ever serve it again?

"Here's a Wit that didn't win nothing at the GABF. But at least
we entered!" You're right, I wouldn't buy a beer presented that
way. But if it doesn't suck then just don't tell me it came in
10th of 12.

> You WANT to
> draw attention to the fact that you didn't win?

!claro. Yes, not of course (not). Just don't spend $300 on "We
Entered the GABF!!!" banners.

>>>> You got paid so you win. Uh...
>>>
>>> Who said I win? I got paid. That's all.
>>
>> I thought you were saying that you got paid so your
>> opinion has greater weight.
>
> No, I've never felt that and I hope I've never said that.

My mistaken assumption. Honestly, that's all it was on this
end. Apologies.

> I do feel that drinking a wide variety of beers for over
> twenty years

Amateur. That makes you, what? 32?

> The main
> reason I wrote that was because I got paid for it.

I "get" that.

> The
> world at large didn't need yet another piece about
> hefeweizen,

Heh! I certainly didn't. The "mom" thing - that was just icky,
Dude.

> but that site did. So I wrote one. Just as
> tonight I'm writing another piece for them on the basics of
> brewing in which I compare malting to jerking a bull. Don't
> miss it.

Oh I won't. I look forward to it. Do you have direct
experience with, er, you know? Is lube required? I generally
prefer to use lube.

>>> And if you can get paid
>>> for this kind of writing, by all means, do so. In fact,
>>> I'd really rather you did and didn't give it away. Helps
>>> the market.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> Wish more people understood that. I'm trying to pay some
> bills here.

Yabut, you feel dirty, don't you?

>>> Anything else?
>>
>> If ever I meet you face to face I am going to kiss you
>> full on the mouth. Neither one of us will enjoy it, but
>> I'm emotionally invested at this point.
>
> Catch me if you can.

I'm 5' 11.75" and 160lbs and get up at 0530 to run (well, some
days). Pucker up, Lewbert.


Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

Scott Kaczorowski > wrote:
:
: I've been judging for 7 or so years now (BJCP rank of Certified
: - and that's as, um, "high" as I'll ever get as there is NO WAY
: I'm going to take that bitch of a test again.) In the last 2 or
: 3 years, part of the post-score discussion has included "Is it
: too big for style?" I've seen (only once, but still) a judge
: show up with a hydrometer. I think the, er, community is
: sensitive to 1.055 Milds.
:


And what use really is a hydrometer in a carbonated sample? Was he
planning to stir until flat?

I think a refractometer would be much more acceptable but once you start
up (or down) that slippery slope you'd want to begin mechanically
measuring other aspects of style (SRMs , IBUs...).

What I learned from studying for the BJCP exam is that a.) I don't want
to sit for it and b.) I don't want to be a BJCP certified judge. I'm
perfectly capable of objective judging and can do it when called upon to
do it, but I'd far rather just enjoy what's right about a given sample
of beer rather than concern myself with determining what's wrong with
it. The four point system that was (still is?) in use here is fine with
me.


--
Bill
AT DOT
reply to bbenzel adelphia net

J. Alstrom wrote:
> Don't hate the player ... hate the game.

First off, you are not a player. You are a cheer leader. You may indeed
be a very good cheer leader, but you are no player. So I don't hate the
player, or the game, or the cheer leader. You just need to cope with
the fact that not everyone is on board with "respect beer" as a punch
line.


At least we are making a difference
> in the craft beer world rather than writing man period posts.

Any effort you make on behalf of the promotion of craft beer should be,
and is applauded. But again, you are playing to a very selective
audience, and you really should not assume that myself, or others are
not making a "difference". I think it is wonderful that site has turned
into a nice little cottage industry(capitalism is good) for you, but
you are self-promoting. What Scott says IS true, you and your site is
not all about "respecting beer", and some find the whole notion of
"respecting beer", silly.

> BTW you are ****ing clueless ... IMO. Have a nice day.

Well, then it is a good thing your opinion doesn't mean too much to me.
Clueless about "respecting beer"? Maybe. Clueless about drinking it,
and enjoying it? Not a chance. I think the best way to "respect beer"
is to purchase it, and enjoy it. I've done my fair share of converting
the "blind masses" over the years to craft beer, but if it makes you
feel better, you can keep playing the role of the beer zelot. You are
not the "bruguru" are you?

Steve Jackson > wrote:
> "Todd @ BeerAdvocate" > wrote in message
> news:YsQ0f.1868$_a6.1400@trndny02...
>
[...]
>> Maybe we should stick around for a while and give this "group" a dose of
>> much needed Viagra, bring 'em back to the rfdb of the 90's, and see what
>> happens?
>
> Well, you'd have to round up a couple other suspects, and I'm not sure
> anyone wants that. God knows how nice it is now that Bruels is MIA.

KIck all you're asses giggy that's "Br?ls"

wrote:
> Frank Mancuso wrote:
>> Just in case you aren't there, and wanted to know who won medals:
>> http://www.beertown.com/events/gabf/pdf/winners_05.pdf

> So anyone heard off/know/seen/tried this stuff?:
> Catagory: 6 Herb and Spice Beer -57 Entries
> Gold: Temptation Bock, Miller Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI
>
> What the heck is that?

I was wondering that myself! Is that an error or something
they make only for the festival?
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"Scott Kaczorowski" > wrote in message
> "Lew Bryson" > wrote in
>> See, THIS is what I don't get. If you mean do some places
>> slip a tiny-batch beer in that's way over-category, and
>> then never make that beer again? Okay, if that's what you
>> mean (and I'm not straw-manning or putting words in your
>> mouth, just trying to figger what you mean, honest),
>> then
>> they suck for making tiny super-batches,
>
> Disagree to an extent. What if a brewer has become bored of
> Blond and Wheat but knows how to make a lovely B-Wine? While it
> might not normally be on, it was brewed there. Maybe it leads

No prob, there. What I mean is if they take what they normally brew and
tweak it up...just for GABF, and then don't keep making it that way because
it's too expensive/too much for their locals. I don't think that happens
very often at all, but to hear some people bitch and whine, it happens every
time (every time their favorite dick-waving brewery doesn't win, that is).

>> almost as much as
>> the judges do for not throwing it right to hell out of the
>> category for being overdone.
>
> I've been judging for 7 or so years now (BJCP rank of Certified
> - and that's as, um, "high" as I'll ever get as there is NO WAY
> I'm going to take that bitch of a test again.) In the last 2 or
> 3 years, part of the post-score discussion has included "Is it
> too big for style?" I've seen (only once, but still) a judge
> show up with a hydrometer. I think the, er, community is
> sensitive to 1.055 Milds.

Hrm. Maybe. Maybe not. Sure as hell doesn't look like they're as sensitive
as they could be. I have a personal hate for entries that crowd or pop the
top of categories.

>> I do feel that drinking a wide variety of beers for over
>> twenty years
>
> Amateur. That makes you, what? 32?

Ah, if only.

>> The
>> world at large didn't need yet another piece about
>> hefeweizen,
>
> Heh! I certainly didn't. The "mom" thing - that was just icky,
> Dude.

Thenk yew.

>> but that site did. So I wrote one. Just as
>> tonight I'm writing another piece for them on the basics of
>> brewing in which I compare malting to jerking a bull. Don't
>> miss it.
>
> Oh I won't. I look forward to it. Do you have direct
> experience with, er, you know? Is lube required? I generally
> prefer to use lube.

You absolutely need lube. No direct experience, though, just a friend with
LOTS of stories. Guy's done everything at some point in his life, I swear.

>> Wish more people understood that. I'm trying to pay some
>> bills here.
>
> Yabut, you feel dirty, don't you?

Nope. Not any more than an architect does after designing a bathroom.

--
Lew Bryson

"GOOD or SHITE?" -- Michael Jackson, "Thriller", 1982
www.lewbryson.com

Russ Perry Jr > wrote:
> wrote:
>> Frank Mancuso wrote:
>>> Just in case you aren't there, and wanted to know who won medals:
>>> http://www.beertown.com/events/gabf/pdf/winners_05.pdf

>> So anyone heard off/know/seen/tried this stuff?:
>> Catagory: 6 Herb and Spice Beer -57 Entries
>> Gold: Temptation Bock, Miller Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI
>>
>> What the heck is that?

> I was wondering that myself! Is that an error or something
> they make only for the festival?

Now that I mention it, what is this one?
Category: 12 Wood- and Barrel-aged Beer - 75 Entries
Gold: Cherry Stout, New Glarus Brewing Co., New Glarus, WI

Another fest-only brew?
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