Joris Pattyn > wrote:
>"jesskidden" > schreef in bericht
>>> Can stores sell beer past the
>>> expiration date?
>>
>> Oh, yeah. Some store, it seems, ONLY sell beer that's out of date.
>
>Theoretically, they can't. Many do.

In the US, AFAIK there are no laws preventing stores from
selling before the "Best by" date.
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Joel Plutchak "I'm in beer class / Every Thursday night"
- "Sinister Foxx", _Title TK_, The Breeders

Lew Bryson > wrote:
>"Joel" > wrote in message
...
>> Joris Pattyn > wrote:
>>>"jesskidden" > schreef in bericht
>>>>> Can stores sell beer past the
>>>>> expiration date?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yeah. Some store, it seems, ONLY sell beer that's out of date.
>>>
>>>Theoretically, they can't. Many do.
>>
>> In the US, AFAIK there are no laws preventing stores from
>> selling before the "Best by" date.
>
>As I like to point out, if they did it with milk, they'd get thrown in jail.

Or perhaps merely cited.

Although I can relate to your analogy, my extensive experience
with both forms of liquid nourishment leads me to a firm belief
that milk is extremely perishable, while beer is not. Thomas
Hardy's Ale, anyone?
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Joel Plutchak "I'm in beer class / Every Thursday night"
- "Sinister Foxx", _Title TK_, The Breeders

Lew Bryson > wrote:

:> In the US, AFAIK there are no laws preventing stores from
:> selling before the "Best by" date.
:
: As I like to point out, if they did it with milk, they'd get thrown in jail.
:

Sure but then those occasional finds of '96 Samichlaus in the back of
other beers on dusty shelves would be eliminated and the thrill of the
chase would vanish.


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Guys... It was a joke. Really.

Dr. Cajones > wrote:
:
: "Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
: ...
:> Lew Bryson > wrote:
:> : As I like to point out, if they did it with milk, they'd get thrown in
: jail.
:> :
:> Sure but then those occasional finds of '96 Samichlaus in the back of
:> other beers on dusty shelves would be eliminated and the thrill of the
:> chase would vanish.
:
: To paraphrase Pastor Flash, "I drink only good biers"
:

There's only one joker in r.f.d.b crazy enough to make a statement like
that and I have to find out who he is!


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"Joris Pattyn" > wrote in
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> "jesskidden" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>>> I thought expired beer
>>> (the good kind) just got stronger.
>>
>> Stronger? Nope. *Some* beers do improve with age (mostly
>> bottle conditioned beers and/or high alcohol beers), but
>> they don't gain alcohol.
>
> That is not *quite* true.

If you're talking ~0.1% then I might agree.

> Best example being the adventures
> of Orval on the Swedish market, before the ABV limits where
> abolished. They had to experience - on which they were,
> alledgedly, blissfully unaware, that their beer gained as
> much as 1% ABV by refermenting in the bottle,

I won't say that a heavy Champagne bottle couldn't handle that
much ferment (though I doubt it). But an Orval bottle? I can't
imagine.

I can go from x% to x+1% in an Orval bottle?

> bringing it
> over the legal limit in Scandinavia.

Folkore.

If for no other reason than: The Scandinavians measure abv/abw
during the intial bottling rather than the final product?
Guessing...just a guess...that they are not that stupid.

>> I've had better luck complaining to distributors and
>> brewers about old beer on the shelf than trying for a
>> refund from a retailer.

Your brewer/distributor will float you a new sixpack (or?)
before the retailer will? You're lucky I'm not your
brewer/distributor.


Scott

Scott Kaczorowski wrote:
>
> Your brewer/distributor will float you a new sixpack (or?)
> before the retailer will?

Yup, that's been my experience. Once had a distributor come to my house
and drop off a CASE of Ballantine Brewers Gold Ale (at the time, it was
a brand new product) after a phone call complaining about old Ballantine
XXX Ale that was served to me at a bar that took no interest when I
mentioned the old stock.

North Coast's owner was very nice and sent me a refund for a case of
Acme IPA that was several years old and mixed in with new stock. The
retailer and distributor didn't seem to care even after HE contacted them.


> You're lucky I'm not your
> brewer/distributor.

Yeah, I've been reading your posts and I agree <g>...

"jesskidden" > wrote in
:

> Scott Kaczorowski wrote:
>>
>> Your brewer/distributor will float you a new sixpack (or?)
>> before the retailer will?
>
> Yup, that's been my experience.

I'll be dipped. I never would have guessed that. Which
obviously means I've never tried it.

>> You're lucky I'm not your brewer/distributor.
>
> Yeah, I've been reading your posts and I agree <g>...

Yes, one of many things I've said stupidly or
ill-advisedly or too loudly or...

But in this case it was just said poorly.

What I meant (no, really) was that I would imagine that the
brewer/distributor probably did their job and it is the
responsibility of the retailer to deal with poor performance
on their own part. They are the third tier, no? They could
have helped you out and dealt with the distributor themselves.

I've always had good luck sending beer back at the point of
sale (except for the excremental Goat Hill Tavern - previous
rants available at deja.com).

I'm glad to hear that your distributor gives a hoot. I'll
bet they went to the retailer in question, too. It's nice to
hear that sort of thing, it really is.


Scott

Scott Kaczorowski wrote:
>
> What I meant (no, really) was that I would imagine that the
> brewer/distributor probably did their job and it is the
> responsibility of the retailer to deal with poor performance
> on their own part.

Yeah, nice theory but that's not the way it works in most cases. Part
of the brewer's "job" is to insure that his products are being marketed
correctly by his distributor and retailer. When (in my case) North
Coast heard that the distributor had obviously shipped old beer to a
retailer or had stacked new beer atop old, he was upset that his beer
was being mishandled. (A friend had purchased the case on top of the
bad one the week before- which is why I didn't carefully check the date
code at purchase.) To the retailer, it was just another of thousands of
products along side of Ripple, Slim Jims and Diet Coke- to North Coast
it was HIS beer.

Certainly part of the distributor's job is to make sure stock is rotated
correctly and old beer is pulled.