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Addi' Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:33:55 +0200, FujiGirl scrisse:
>my fellow beer lovers swear this is the best trappist ever made. since i >[and my partner] love trappist it's inevitable we must make that trip down >south [210km] and get a few of these from the monastery one of these days. >they no longer sell it to the shops, you see. my current trappist >favourites are Rochefort 8 and Gouden Carolus. yours? a few months ago, dining with a couple of friends, we had both Westy 12 and Roch 10 - the drinks that night included also my friend's barleywine, maybe some other beers, a good local Nebbiolo wine (BTW we are in Italy) and a selection of aged single malts whiskies... a good way to get prepared to a HB judging the day after ;-)) Well back to the trappists: my friend was for the W12, his wife preferred the R10, I was in between; but the interesting thing was that we all 3 agreed that anyway R10 is *bigger". Yes, despite whay I read and what I remembered, Rochfort 10 is *more*: in aroma, flavour, intensity, complexity... a challenge to your palate! W12 was also rich, big, complex etc, but subtler and more drinkable. That evening, having drunk so much and so "big", if I wanted another bottle it would have been Westy and not Rochefort. In other tastings, in other evenings, Rochefort 10 was just heavenly perfect, the right beer for me. If you have the chance, I do suggest a parallel tasting of these 2 great trappist ales. BTW, Rochefort 10 is stronger (though just slightly) than Westvleteren 12. R10 is 11.3% abv, W12 lately oscillates between 10.2% and 10.8%. A friend measured the final gravity of a W12 and we calculated an OG of about 1095. ciao from Italy max -- Please reply he rosamax (at ISP fastwebnet.it "A Quart of Ale is a Dish for a King" - Shakespeare (A Winter's Tale) www.maxbeer.org |Homebrewing/Italian Microbreweries/BeerDatabase/Labels |
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"Filip Geerts" > wrote in message
... > BTW: > Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every customer > promises not to sell the beer to others. Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail stores and pubs in the States. -Steve |
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"FujiGirl" > wrote:
> my first Orval was a bit strange...but i'm learning to > like it more and more. Good girl. Got a sister? :-) > anyone else like lambic? oh god, i know i know.......''it's a > girrrrrrl's beer", right?! hehehe......my current lambic fav > is Timmerman's gueze. i find many too sweet, especially kriek. If you prefer a gueze over a kriek, I think you don't have to worry about the "girl's beer" thing very much... Have you tried the Lindeman's Cuvee Rene Gueze? I need to retry that some day, but if you like gueze you'll probably like that one just fine. -- //*================================================= ===============++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 [NEW!] VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================ ================*// |
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>>>>>> anyone else like lambic?
I really do, as the icing on the cake after an evening of Belgian imbibing. Even after rounds of Piraats and Val Dieus and St. Bernards, a late lambic is the kiss on the cheek. |
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Steve Jackson wrote: > > > Quality over quantity, my friend. > Indeed. Thingofitis, I've yet to have a Westy that didn't taste like it had been mishandled and sitting on a warm shelf or in a hot container for some time before it got to me. The Bernardus stuff is flying off the shelves these days. Seems a trip to Belgium is in order to do some proper investigation. --NPD |
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"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
> "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message >> >> BTW: >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every >> customer >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > stores and pubs in the States. > > -Steve > that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting conflicting reports indeed. damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and cafe de vrede? )))))) |
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"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
> "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message >> >> BTW: >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every >> customer >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > stores and pubs in the States. > > -Steve > that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting conflicting reports indeed. damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and cafe de vrede? )))))) |
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"Russ Perry Jr" > wrote in message
> "FujiGirl" > wrote: >> my first Orval was a bit strange...but i'm learning to >> like it more and more. > > Good girl. Got a sister? :-) > >> anyone else like lambic? oh god, i know i know.......''it's a >> girrrrrrl's beer", right?! hehehe......my current lambic fav >> is Timmerman's gueze. i find many too sweet, especially kriek. > > If you prefer a gueze over a kriek, I think you don't have to > worry about the "girl's beer" thing very much... > > Have you tried the Lindeman's Cuvee Rene Gueze? I need to retry > that some day, but if you like gueze you'll probably like that > one just fine. > -- i had a Lindeman's something Cassis just last week. not the one you mention but the lambic cassis artisanal. i'll look for the cuvee on saturday [thanks for the tip!]. tonight i'm trying out the 'mort subite' for the first time. doesn't the name of the drink make you a bit nervous...heheh.... sorry Russ, i'm the only girl in the family. |
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"Douglas W. Hoyt" > wrote in message >
> I really do, as the icing on the cake after an evening of Belgian > imbibing. > Even after rounds of Piraats and Val Dieus and St. Bernards, a late > lambic > is the kiss on the cheek. > > my first lambic gueuze i thought it was champagne. lovely aroma and prestigeous. been a fan since. sometimes i have a nice lambic or rochefort 8 as 'dessert' later in the evening. |
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"Douglas W. Hoyt" > wrote in message >
> I really do, as the icing on the cake after an evening of Belgian > imbibing. > Even after rounds of Piraats and Val Dieus and St. Bernards, a late > lambic > is the kiss on the cheek. > > my first lambic gueuze i thought it was champagne. lovely aroma and prestigeous. been a fan since. sometimes i have a nice lambic or rochefort 8 as 'dessert' later in the evening. |
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"FujiGirl" > wrote:
> i had a Lindeman's something Cassis just last week. not the one > you mention but the lambic cassis artisanal. i'll look for the > cuvee on saturday [thanks for the tip!]. No sweat. I couldn't find it for the longest time, then ran across it at the Blind Pig in Champaign IL (back when it was cool). The conversation went something like this: Bartender: "You know it's a little higher alcohol?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "You know it's a big bottle?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "You know it's $18?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "Still want it?" Me: "Uh huh" It was interesting... I'm not a huge gueze fan -- especially now -- but it was sure worth it. > tonight i'm trying out the 'mort subite' for the first time. > doesn't the name of the drink make you a bit nervous...heheh.... Heh, yeah. I had to work my way up from Delerium Tremens to Mort Subite (namewise, naturally). > sorry Russ, i'm the only girl in the family. Heh, I was kidding anyway (or was I? :-). Where are you from anyway? Some beers on your page I haven't seen... Are you in the NL? And why Fujiirl? You're not an Atari fan, are you? -- //*================================================= ===============++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 [NEW!] VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================ ================*// |
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"FujiGirl" > wrote:
> i had a Lindeman's something Cassis just last week. not the one > you mention but the lambic cassis artisanal. i'll look for the > cuvee on saturday [thanks for the tip!]. No sweat. I couldn't find it for the longest time, then ran across it at the Blind Pig in Champaign IL (back when it was cool). The conversation went something like this: Bartender: "You know it's a little higher alcohol?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "You know it's a big bottle?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "You know it's $18?" Me: "Uh huh" Bartender: "Still want it?" Me: "Uh huh" It was interesting... I'm not a huge gueze fan -- especially now -- but it was sure worth it. > tonight i'm trying out the 'mort subite' for the first time. > doesn't the name of the drink make you a bit nervous...heheh.... Heh, yeah. I had to work my way up from Delerium Tremens to Mort Subite (namewise, naturally). > sorry Russ, i'm the only girl in the family. Heh, I was kidding anyway (or was I? :-). Where are you from anyway? Some beers on your page I haven't seen... Are you in the NL? And why Fujiirl? You're not an Atari fan, are you? -- //*================================================= ===============++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 [NEW!] VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================ ================*// |
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On 2004-09-14, FujiGirl > wrote:
> that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website > http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. Westvleteren is still available in the Chicago area. Actually, except for Orval, I've seen all of the Trappists available for sale in town. (Maybe Orval is there too, I just haven't noticed it.) Tim |
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On 2004-09-14, FujiGirl > wrote:
> that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website > http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. Westvleteren is still available in the Chicago area. Actually, except for Orval, I've seen all of the Trappists available for sale in town. (Maybe Orval is there too, I just haven't noticed it.) Tim |
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On 2004-09-14, FujiGirl > wrote:
> that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website > http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. Westvleteren is still available in the Chicago area. Actually, except for Orval, I've seen all of the Trappists available for sale in town. (Maybe Orval is there too, I just haven't noticed it.) Tim |
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"FujiGirl" > wrote in message
... > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. Had some at a pub in Portland less than a month ago. Not sure if it's still being sold in Chicago or not. I haven't lived there for two and a half years now. I've never seen it in the LA area, where I am now. > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > cafe de vrede? )))))) Someone should. Hell, everyone should. -Steve |
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"FujiGirl" > wrote in message
... > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. Had some at a pub in Portland less than a month ago. Not sure if it's still being sold in Chicago or not. I haven't lived there for two and a half years now. I've never seen it in the LA area, where I am now. > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > cafe de vrede? )))))) Someone should. Hell, everyone should. -Steve |
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"Tim Everding" > wrote in message
... > Actually, except for Orval, I've seen all of the Trappists available > for sale in town. (Maybe Orval is there too, I just haven't noticed > it.) Orval can definitely be found in Chicago. -Steve |
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"Tim Everding" > wrote in message
... > Actually, except for Orval, I've seen all of the Trappists available > for sale in town. (Maybe Orval is there too, I just haven't noticed > it.) Orval can definitely be found in Chicago. -Steve |
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>Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because I
>have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail stores >and pubs in the States. > >-Steve I've been able to find westy 8 and 12 as well as Rochefort 8 and 10, and Achel 8 in the SF bay area for a couple years now. Great prices too ($7 for the westy and Achel, $5 for the Rochefort) mike |
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>Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because I
>have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail stores >and pubs in the States. > >-Steve I've been able to find westy 8 and 12 as well as Rochefort 8 and 10, and Achel 8 in the SF bay area for a couple years now. Great prices too ($7 for the westy and Achel, $5 for the Rochefort) mike |
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> > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > > cafe de vrede? )))))) > > Someone should. Hell, everyone should. Fujigirl, you're in Noord Brabant, right? Next year April 23 local zythos branches O.B.E.R. and HOP organize a trip to West-Flanders, visiting Rodenbach, Dolle Brouwers, and De Vrede in Westvleteren. Our bus leaves from Roosendaal NL, picking up some members of the Roosendaals Bierguild, next stop is our hometown just acros the border Essen, then Antwerp. If you're interested look for the contact page at our website.www.ober.be Cheers, Gunter Mertens www.ober.be www.zythos.be |
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> > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > > cafe de vrede? )))))) > > Someone should. Hell, everyone should. Fujigirl, you're in Noord Brabant, right? Next year April 23 local zythos branches O.B.E.R. and HOP organize a trip to West-Flanders, visiting Rodenbach, Dolle Brouwers, and De Vrede in Westvleteren. Our bus leaves from Roosendaal NL, picking up some members of the Roosendaals Bierguild, next stop is our hometown just acros the border Essen, then Antwerp. If you're interested look for the contact page at our website.www.ober.be Cheers, Gunter Mertens www.ober.be www.zythos.be |
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> > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > > cafe de vrede? )))))) > > Someone should. Hell, everyone should. Fujigirl, you're in Noord Brabant, right? Next year April 23 local zythos branches O.B.E.R. and HOP organize a trip to West-Flanders, visiting Rodenbach, Dolle Brouwers, and De Vrede in Westvleteren. Our bus leaves from Roosendaal NL, picking up some members of the Roosendaals Bierguild, next stop is our hometown just acros the border Essen, then Antwerp. If you're interested look for the contact page at our website.www.ober.be Cheers, Gunter Mertens www.ober.be www.zythos.be |
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"March" > wrote in message >
>> > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery >> > and >> > cafe de vrede? )))))) >> >> Someone should. Hell, everyone should. > > Fujigirl, you're in Noord Brabant, right? Next year April 23 local zythos > branches O.B.E.R. and HOP organize a trip to West-Flanders, visiting > Rodenbach, Dolle Brouwers, and De Vrede in Westvleteren. Our bus leaves > from > Roosendaal NL, picking up some members of the Roosendaals Bierguild, next > stop is our hometown just acros the border Essen, then Antwerp. > > If you're interested look for the contact page at our website.www.ober.be > > Cheers, > > Gunter Mertens > www.ober.be > www.zythos.be > > Gunter, many thanks for the tip! maybe my Dutchie and i will join you guys in the spring. |
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"March" > wrote in message >
>> > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery >> > and >> > cafe de vrede? )))))) >> >> Someone should. Hell, everyone should. > > Fujigirl, you're in Noord Brabant, right? Next year April 23 local zythos > branches O.B.E.R. and HOP organize a trip to West-Flanders, visiting > Rodenbach, Dolle Brouwers, and De Vrede in Westvleteren. Our bus leaves > from > Roosendaal NL, picking up some members of the Roosendaals Bierguild, next > stop is our hometown just acros the border Essen, then Antwerp. > > If you're interested look for the contact page at our website.www.ober.be > > Cheers, > > Gunter Mertens > www.ober.be > www.zythos.be > > Gunter, many thanks for the tip! maybe my Dutchie and i will join you guys in the spring. |
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> "Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
> > "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message > >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every > >> customer > >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > > stores and pubs in the States. Westvleteren is available in café Spijtighen Duvel in Turnhout, not so far from the Dutch Border. Also brouwershuis in Baarle-Hertog has it I presume. Kapelse drankenhandel in Kapellen has it for sale too from time to time. It might still be the policy that it's 'illegal' to sell, but I don't think anyone cares. Lucky for those who don't live close to the abbay. Cheers, Gunter www.ober.be |
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> "Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
> > "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message > >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every > >> customer > >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > > stores and pubs in the States. Westvleteren is available in café Spijtighen Duvel in Turnhout, not so far from the Dutch Border. Also brouwershuis in Baarle-Hertog has it I presume. Kapelse drankenhandel in Kapellen has it for sale too from time to time. It might still be the policy that it's 'illegal' to sell, but I don't think anyone cares. Lucky for those who don't live close to the abbay. Cheers, Gunter www.ober.be |
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Grafix8888 ) wrote:
: : I've been able to find westy 8 and 12 as well as Rochefort 8 and 10, and Achel : 8 in the SF bay area for a couple years now. Great prices too ($7 for the westy : and Achel, $5 for the Rochefort) : Mike, I'm making a pilgrimage to Toronado next month -- would love to hunt down some bottled Westy. Care to share your store location(s)? -- Bill reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above |
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Grafix8888 ) wrote:
: : I've been able to find westy 8 and 12 as well as Rochefort 8 and 10, and Achel : 8 in the SF bay area for a couple years now. Great prices too ($7 for the westy : and Achel, $5 for the Rochefort) : Mike, I'm making a pilgrimage to Toronado next month -- would love to hunt down some bottled Westy. Care to share your store location(s)? -- Bill reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Steve Jackson wrote: > "Mike Roebuck" > wrote in message > ... > > > Westvleteren only sell direct, at the door of the monastery. You can > > have a mximum of two cases, and that's it (unless things have changed > > recently). > > Things changed, and not all that recently. As long ago as 2000 or 2001, I > was buying Westvleteren in Chicago. I bought some in Portland a month ago. > It is imported into the States, although it's not like it's here in > overwhelming numbers. > Nervertheless I believe its still only sold at the gate. Importers then smack labels on them and ship them to the US. Thats why its sorta hard to find and expensive. |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Steve Jackson wrote: > "Mike Roebuck" > wrote in message > ... > > > Westvleteren only sell direct, at the door of the monastery. You can > > have a mximum of two cases, and that's it (unless things have changed > > recently). > > Things changed, and not all that recently. As long ago as 2000 or 2001, I > was buying Westvleteren in Chicago. I bought some in Portland a month ago. > It is imported into the States, although it's not like it's here in > overwhelming numbers. > Nervertheless I believe its still only sold at the gate. Importers then smack labels on them and ship them to the US. Thats why its sorta hard to find and expensive. |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, FujiGirl wrote: > "Steve Jackson" > wrote in message > > "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message > >> > >> BTW: > >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every > >> customer > >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > > stores and pubs in the States. > > > > -Steve > > > > that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website > http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. > > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > cafe de vrede? )))))) > I've read in many reports that despite the restrictions imposed by the monks selling at the monastery, the beer is indeed re-sold. The labels placed on the bottles are not even the monastery's own doing, as they only come with variously colored crowns. As I understand it, people affiliated with the importer line up and buy their 2 cases when the new batch is released. They then label it, ship it, etc. With quite a markup. Its available in most major US markets. |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, FujiGirl wrote: > "Steve Jackson" > wrote in message > > "Filip Geerts" > wrote in message > >> > >> BTW: > >> Westvleteren Trappist is only sold to individual customers. Every > >> customer > >> promises not to sell the beer to others. > > > > Is that really still the policy, Filip, or are people ignoring it? Because > > I have purchased more than a few bottles of Westvleteren from retail > > stores and pubs in the States. > > > > -Steve > > > > that's exactly what it says on the brewery's website > http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.html > steve, how long ago did you last purchase your Westies? we're all getting > conflicting reports indeed. > > damnit all to hell, anyone is orgarnising a trip down to the brewery and > cafe de vrede? )))))) > I've read in many reports that despite the restrictions imposed by the monks selling at the monastery, the beer is indeed re-sold. The labels placed on the bottles are not even the monastery's own doing, as they only come with variously colored crowns. As I understand it, people affiliated with the importer line up and buy their 2 cases when the new batch is released. They then label it, ship it, etc. With quite a markup. Its available in most major US markets. |
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I get mine from a place in Layfeyette (about 20 min east of SF) The name is
escaping me right now but I'll check on it when I get home and let you know. I haven't been there for a few months so I'm not sure about the current selection. The Wole Foods near 4th and Mission also had Achel and Rochefort (and maybe westy) as well as aventinus eisbock when I was in there about a month ago. Prices were a bit higher but still decent. mike |
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I get mine from a place in Layfeyette (about 20 min east of SF) The name is
escaping me right now but I'll check on it when I get home and let you know. I haven't been there for a few months so I'm not sure about the current selection. The Wole Foods near 4th and Mission also had Achel and Rochefort (and maybe westy) as well as aventinus eisbock when I was in there about a month ago. Prices were a bit higher but still decent. mike |
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I get mine from a place in Layfeyette (about 20 min east of SF) The name is
escaping me right now but I'll check on it when I get home and let you know. I haven't been there for a few months so I'm not sure about the current selection. The Wole Foods near 4th and Mission also had Achel and Rochefort (and maybe westy) as well as aventinus eisbock when I was in there about a month ago. Prices were a bit higher but still decent. mike |
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In article >, Grafix8888
> wrote: > I get mine from a place in Layfeyette (about 20 min east of SF) The name is > escaping me right now but I'll check on it when I get home and let you know. I > haven't been there for a few months so I'm not sure about the current > selection. The Wole Foods near 4th and Mission also had Achel and Rochefort > (and maybe westy) as well as aventinus eisbock when I was in there about a > month ago. Prices were a bit higher but still decent. > > mike Aventinus Eisbock is one amazing drink.... A local store has a 5 year old vintage paper wrapped regular Aventinus that I will probably try. |
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In article >, Grafix8888
> wrote: > I get mine from a place in Layfeyette (about 20 min east of SF) The name is > escaping me right now but I'll check on it when I get home and let you know. I > haven't been there for a few months so I'm not sure about the current > selection. The Wole Foods near 4th and Mission also had Achel and Rochefort > (and maybe westy) as well as aventinus eisbock when I was in there about a > month ago. Prices were a bit higher but still decent. > > mike Aventinus Eisbock is one amazing drink.... A local store has a 5 year old vintage paper wrapped regular Aventinus that I will probably try. |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:37:03 -0400, Canadian Balloon Inflator
> wrote: >I've read in many reports that despite the restrictions imposed by the >monks selling at the monastery, the beer is indeed re-sold. The labels >placed on the bottles are not even the monastery's own doing, as they only >come with variously colored crowns. >As I understand it, people affiliated with the importer line up and buy >their 2 cases when the new batch is released. They then label it, ship >it, etc. With quite a markup. > >Its available in most major US markets. That's very interesting. I've never, ever seen Westvletere bottles labelled. As you write, the coloured crown tell you which beer is in the bottle. -- Regards Mike mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet |
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