Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

Cheers,
Duke

Dukester > wrote:
>Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
>Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
>while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
>such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
>had my first one! :-) )

They're different beers. The "regular" Guinness stout is a
lighter beer more suited to drinking on draught, and the widget
stuff lets them sell that session-type beer in a more mixed-
gas draught-like form. The Extra Stout is a stronger beer more
suited to bottles, or at least standard CO2 dispense and
presentation.
Incidentally, Guinness has been experimenting with the tight
creamy headed draught presentation in bottles/can in various
forms since at least around 1985-- I have a bottle and a black
syringe doohickey a friend brought me back from Ireland around
that time. The syringe method for getting a tight creamy head
works even on other beers, FWIW.
--
Joel Plutchak "We had all slipped into a silence of exquisite
plutchak@[...] fatigue with no wit to woo us. It was a special
silence. No lambs, just owls." - Neil Innes

On 15 Dec 2003 17:36:11 -0800, (Dukester) wrote:

>Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
>Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
>while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
>such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
>had my first one! :-) )

It's really just marketing. Guinness have decided that, worldwide,
what the average drinker expects from Guinness is a tight creamy head
(even though this only arrived in 1967 when keg draught Guinness
replaced the cask conditioned version in Ireland).

Guinness Extra Stout (or, in some markets, Guinness Export Stout) is a
specialist beer that even the cynical Guinness marketing people
wouldn't expect to be served with a big nitro head.

Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
whatever your local microbrewery is.

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk

(Paul Sherwin) wrote in message >...
>
> Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
> whatever your local microbrewery is.

Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.

Cheers!

Dukester ) wrote:
: (Paul Sherwin) wrote in message >...
: >
: > Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
: > whatever your local microbrewery is.
:
: Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
: microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
: had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
: what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
: thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.
:
: Cheers!

http://www.liquidsolutions.biz !!!

If the best you've got locally is Guiness Extra you owe yourself a visit
to this web site.

OBDisclaimer: I'm just a satisfied customer.

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

"Dukester" > wrote in message
m...

> Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
> microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
> had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout.

Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
another story.

-Steve

"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message news:<XacEb.10276$i55.3729@fed1read06>...
> Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.
>
> Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
> another story.

Tastes fine to me. But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
their attempt at a Bock? And no, I can't get beer by mail.

"Dukester" > wrote in message
m...

> "Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
news:<XacEb.10276$i55.3729@fed1read06>...

> > Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

> Tastes fine to me.

It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

> But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
> their attempt at a Bock?

Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
there, if dark beer is your thing.

> And no, I can't get beer by mail.

Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

-Steve

> It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

I had been very disappointed with the thin Labbatt-brewed version, but
every once in a while I give some a try in the hope of a change for the
better. Yesterday I had one that was noticeably better:
bigger/cleaner roast barley and malt flavors and not terribly sour,
somewhat like the Irish version just before the switch to Labbatt (IIRC,
others on this ng had noted a change in the flavor of the Irish version
around that time). Taste buds failing me? Wishful thinking? A true
change for the better? Will have to do further research.

"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message news:<QwtEb.10429$i55.2163@fed1read06>...
> Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
> there, if dark beer is your thing.
>
> Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
> be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Dukester > wrote:
>"Steve Jackson" > wrote:
>> Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
>> be some suggestions to generate based on that.
>
>Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
>miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
>guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Or learn to brew your own.
--
Joel Plutchak "We had all slipped into a silence of exquisite
plutchak@[...] fatigue with no wit to woo us. It was a special
silence. No lambs, just owls." - Neil Innes

"Dukester" > wrote in message
om...

> Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
> miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
> guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see what
other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
for a few months at a time.

-Steve

if it is a stout you wish I would suggest (and I am a guinness lover) a
stout called black witch from wytchwood brewewries in england. they have
other dark beers like hobgoblin and for those who prefer a more citrus taste
try fiddlers elbow...but for taste i am sold on black witch!!!!!!!
Richard
"Steve Jackson" > wrote in message
news:UuHEb.10741$i55.702@fed1read06...
> "Dukester" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
> > miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
> > guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.
>
> That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
> have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see
what
> other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
> for a few months at a time.
>
> -Steve
>
>

Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

After Malvern Hill Pres. Lincoln visited with Gens. Mc Clellen & Sumner
as well as Col. Nugent (Commander of the Irish Brigade.)` A Lt. James.
M. Birmingham, Adjutant of the 88th N. Y. came from a swim in the James
R. & with his underwear drying on his body saw them talking. He ducked
behind some cover to eavesdrop in time to see & hear Pres. Lincoln
(overcome with emotion at the bravery & sacrifice of the Irish Brigade.)
as he lifted a corner of the 69th N. Y.'s flag, kissed it & said "God
bless this Irish flag" From Joseph Bilby's book
"Remember Fontenoy" on the Irish Brigade
Lancaster Civil War Round Table Website
http://community.webtv.net/GrayGhost...eCivilWarRound Carl
Speros webmaster.

"Joel Plutchak" > wrote in message
...
> Dukester > wrote:
> >"Steve Jackson" > wrote:
> >> Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There
might
> >> be some suggestions to generate based on that.
> >
> >Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
> >miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
> >guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.
>
> Or learn to brew your own.

Hey, man, take that crap to rec.crafts.brewing, okay? Wow, if only this NG
was, like, moderated.

--
Lew Bryson

"GOOD or SHITE?" -- Michael Jackson, "Thriller", 1982
www.lewbryson.com

"E. Carl Speros" > wrote in message
...
> Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
> more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste

Try a Victory Storm King or better yet, a North Coast Old Rasputin. Makes
Guinness taste like a milk shake. They're both (imperial) stouts BTW...

> would be
> almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

PERFECT! More for me!!!!

Garry

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:12:58 -0500 (EST),
(E. Carl Speros) wrote:

>Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
>more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
>almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

Really? I drink Guinness quite regularly and I don't think it's as
intense or bitter as some people make it out to be. I find it to
be a very smooth and drinkable beer. It's one of my favorites,
actually.

I suppose it could be considered "intense" and "bitter" when
compared with something like Miller Lite or Coors Light...but then,
those aren't *really* beer, are they? ;-)

S. Smith wrote in message ...
>On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:12:58 -0500 (EST),
>(E. Carl Speros) wrote:
>
>>Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
>>more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
>>almost undrinkable to the average drinker.
>
>Really? I drink Guinness quite regularly and I don't think it's as
>intense or bitter as some people make it out to be. I find it to
>be a very smooth and drinkable beer. It's one of my favorites,
>actually.
>
>I suppose it could be considered "intense" and "bitter" when
>compared with something like Miller Lite or Coors Light...but then,
>those aren't *really* beer, are they? ;-)
>

nope. ive really offended people when i wouldnt let them bring shit like
that into the house :>
if they want to drink horse **** they can do it somewhere else.

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

Guiness is one of the smoothest beers out there. Not "bitter" at all...

"E. Carl Speros" > wrote in message
...
> Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
> more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
> almost undrinkable to the average drinker.
>
> After Malvern Hill Pres. Lincoln visited with Gens. Mc Clellen & Sumner
> as well as Col. Nugent (Commander of the Irish Brigade.)` A Lt. James.
> M. Birmingham, Adjutant of the 88th N. Y. came from a swim in the James
> R. & with his underwear drying on his body saw them talking. He ducked
> behind some cover to eavesdrop in time to see & hear Pres. Lincoln
> (overcome with emotion at the bravery & sacrifice of the Irish Brigade.)
> as he lifted a corner of the 69th N. Y.'s flag, kissed it & said "God
> bless this Irish flag" From Joseph Bilby's book
> "Remember Fontenoy" on the Irish Brigade
> Lancaster Civil War Round Table Website
> http://community.webtv.net/GrayGhost...eCivilWarRound Carl
> Speros webmaster.
>
>
>
>