Hello All!

I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
"Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint
of beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment
but the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz
bottle. Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it
commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of
"pint" for a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the
British and American fl ozs are very slightly different.

--


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:15:03 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>Hello All!
>
>I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
>"Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint
>of beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment
>but the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz
>bottle. Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it
>commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of
>"pint" for a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the
>British and American fl ozs are very slightly different.

A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't think I've ever
seen it in ounces.

Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:32 +0100:

>> Hello All!
>>
>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats
>> a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>> thoroughly agree with that sentiment but the article was
>> illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle. Is
>> "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it
>> commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that
>> the use of "pint" for a glassful is common in Ireland too and
>> I'm aware that the British and American fl ozs are very
>> slightly different.


>A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't think
> I've ever seen it in ounces.

..

OK, to rephrase my question some, are 568ml (or near that value)
*bottles* of beer common in Britain? It does not change my question
really since 568ml is 19.99 floz (British).

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:06 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:32 +0100:
>
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>>> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats
>>> a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>>> thoroughly agree with that sentiment but the article was
>>> illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle. Is
>>> "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it
>>> commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that
>>> the use of "pint" for a glassful is common in Ireland too and
>>> I'm aware that the British and American fl ozs are very
>>> slightly different.
>
>
>>A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't think
>> I've ever seen it in ounces.
>
>.
>
>OK, to rephrase my question some, are 568ml (or near that value)
>*bottles* of beer common in Britain? It does not change my question
>really since 568ml is 19.99 floz (British).

Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in Britain.

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:43:40 +0100, Corey Richardson
> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:06 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
>
>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:32 +0100:
>>
>>>> Hello All!
>>>>
>>>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>>>> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats
>>>> a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>>>> thoroughly agree with that sentiment but the article was
>>>> illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle. Is
>>>> "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it
>>>> commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that
>>>> the use of "pint" for a glassful is common in Ireland too and
>>>> I'm aware that the British and American fl ozs are very
>>>> slightly different.
>>
>>
>>>A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't think
>>> I've ever seen it in ounces.
>>
>>.
>>
>>OK, to rephrase my question some, are 568ml (or near that value)
>>*bottles* of beer common in Britain? It does not change my question
>>really since 568ml is 19.99 floz (British).
>
>Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in Britain.

Sorry for the follow-up.

I should have said that although you do get true 1 pint bottles of beer,
500ml bottles are increasingly common, although not regarded as a pint.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Hello All!
>
> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
> "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
> beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
> the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
> come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of "pint" for
> a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and
> American fl ozs are very slightly different.
>
> --
I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
US 16floz pint glasses.
Graham

Graham > wrote:

> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hello All!
> >
> > I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
> > "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
> > beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
> > the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
> > Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
> > come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of "pint" for
> > a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and
> > American fl ozs are very slightly different.
> >
> > --
> I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
> tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
> Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
> US 16floz pint glasses.
> Graham

A pint here is a pint (British pint)- no exception. Indeed, if it's
draught beer, you'll be liable to prosecution if you serve it in, say, a
half litre glass. There was such a case in the news recently.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:04 GMT, "Graham" > wrote:

>
>"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
>> Hello All!
>>
>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
>> "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
>> beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
>> the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
>> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
>> come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of "pint" for
>> a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and
>> American fl ozs are very slightly different.
>>
>> --
>I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
>tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
>Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
>US 16floz pint glasses.
>Graham

A pint of beer in the UK *has* to be a pint of beer - 1pint/20floz/568ml

Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:22 +0100:

>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:06 -0400, "James Silverton"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:32 +0100:
>>>
>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>>>>> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little
>>>>> beats a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>>>>> thoroughly agree with that sentiment but the article was
>>>>> illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
>>>>> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or
>>>>> does it commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I
>>>>> suspect that the use of "pint" for a glassful is common in
>>>>> Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and American fl
>>>>> ozs are very slightly different.
>>>
>>>> A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't
>>>> think I've ever seen it in ounces.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> OK, to rephrase my question some, are 568ml (or near that
>>> value) *bottles* of beer common in Britain? It does not
>>> change my question really since 568ml is 19.99 floz
>>> (British).
>>
>> Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in
>> Britain.

> Sorry for the follow-up. I should have said that although you
> do get true 1 pint bottles of beer,500ml bottles are increasingly
> common, although not regarded as a pint.
..
Interesting, you don't actually call 500ml a pint then? I must look
closely next time I buy something like Samuel Smith's etc.

I suppose it would have been too much to hope for that bottles could
have been rounded *up* but I've seen 300ml and 330ml bottles from
continental Europe when 341ml would have closer to 12 floz (US).

To complicate the picture, Guinness, Bass., McEwan's etc. come in 12 fl
oz (US) bottles but European brews bottled in Canada came in 11.5 fl
oz(US) bottles which is pretty close to 12 fl oz (British). I could
enthusiastically go metric but, at least, the old US Fifth is only
slightly larger than the standard 750ml wine bottle.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton wrote:

> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:22 +0100:
>
>>> Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in
>>> Britain.
>
>> Sorry for the follow-up. I should have said that although you
>> do get true 1 pint bottles of beer,500ml bottles are increasingly
>> common, although not regarded as a pint.
>
> .
> Interesting, you don't actually call 500ml a pint then?

In the UK, 500ml is called a half-litre. Never a pint. It's illegal
to call 500ml a pint, 'cause ... it isn't a pint.

> I suppose it would have been too much to hope for that bottles could
> have been rounded *up* but I've seen 300ml and 330ml bottles from
> continental Europe when 341ml would have closer to 12 floz (US).

Continental European beverage makers aren't obliged to respect US size
standards, and 330ml is a common size in packaged beverages in Europe.

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:58:07 -0700, yeadeagisss
> wrote:

>James Silverton wrote:
>
>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:22 +0100:
>>
>>>> Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in
>>>> Britain.
>>
>>> Sorry for the follow-up. I should have said that although you
>>> do get true 1 pint bottles of beer,500ml bottles are increasingly
>>> common, although not regarded as a pint.
>>
>> .
>> Interesting, you don't actually call 500ml a pint then?
>
>In the UK, 500ml is called a half-litre. Never a pint. It's illegal
>to call 500ml a pint, 'cause ... it isn't a pint.
>
>> I suppose it would have been too much to hope for that bottles could
>> have been rounded *up* but I've seen 300ml and 330ml bottles from
>> continental Europe when 341ml would have closer to 12 floz (US).
>
>Continental European beverage makers aren't obliged to respect US size
>standards, and 330ml is a common size in packaged beverages in Europe.

I've always wondered why 330ml is as common as it is. Any idea why?

Corey Richardson wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:58:07 -0700, yeadeagisss
> > wrote:
>
>>Continental European beverage makers aren't obliged to respect US size
>>standards, and 330ml is a common size in packaged beverages in Europe.
>
>
> I've always wondered why 330ml is as common as it is. Any idea why?

It's as close to one-third of a litre as is practical to produce and
market. I suppose the manufacturers could have introduced 333ml cans,
but 330ml is an easy-to-remember 33cl, so there it is.

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:22:57 -0700, yeadeagisss
> wrote:

>Corey Richardson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:58:07 -0700, yeadeagisss
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Continental European beverage makers aren't obliged to respect US size
>>>standards, and 330ml is a common size in packaged beverages in Europe.
>>
>>
>> I've always wondered why 330ml is as common as it is. Any idea why?
>
>It's as close to one-third of a litre as is practical to produce and
>market. I suppose the manufacturers could have introduced 333ml cans,
>but 330ml is an easy-to-remember 33cl, so there it is.

I never thought of that. Makes sense I suppose. But what about those
275ml bottles?

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:22 +0100:
>
>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:06 -0400, "James Silverton"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Corey wrote on Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:32 +0100:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>>>>>> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little
>>>>>> beats a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>>>>>> thoroughly agree with that sentiment but the article was
>>>>>> illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
>>>>>> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or
>>>>>> does it commonly come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I
>>>>>> suspect that the use of "pint" for a glassful is common in
>>>>>> Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and American fl
>>>>>> ozs are very slightly different.
>>>>
>>>>> A pint bottle of beer is now 568 ml in the UK. I don't
>>>>> think I've ever seen it in ounces.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> OK, to rephrase my question some, are 568ml (or near that
>>>> value) *bottles* of beer common in Britain? It does not
>>>> change my question really since 568ml is 19.99 floz
>>>> (British).
>>>
>>> Yes, 568ml (AKA 1 pint) bottles of beer are very common in
>>> Britain.
>
>> Sorry for the follow-up. I should have said that although you
>> do get true 1 pint bottles of beer,500ml bottles are increasingly
>> common, although not regarded as a pint.
> .
> Interesting, you don't actually call 500ml a pint then? I must look
> closely next time I buy something like Samuel Smith's etc.
>

I have a Nut Brown bottle here and it's 550ml which must be 1.3oz short of a
pint.





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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

>Graham > wrote:
>
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hello All!
>> >
>> > I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
>> > "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
>> > beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
>> > the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
>> > Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
>> > come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of "pint" for
>> > a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and
>> > American fl ozs are very slightly different.
>> >
>> > --
>> I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
>> tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
>> Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
>> US 16floz pint glasses.
>> Graham
>
>A pint here is a pint (British pint)- no exception. Indeed, if it's
>draught beer, you'll be liable to prosecution if you serve it in, say, a
>half litre glass. There was such a case in the news recently.

When you buy a pint (or a half) in a public house in the UK you
typically get it in a brim measure glass which has a crown marked on
it to show it complies with the weights and measures act. By custom a
pint is said to be the beer and any head on it. You can and should ask
for your drink to be topped up if you feel there is too much head on
it. Some establishments use metered dispense systems that give a pint
of liquid into unmarked glasses and some use lined glasses to serve a
pint of liquid. These are often irked when you ask them to "top it up
please." Indeed one of the major pub chains (Wetherspoons) attempted
to force a change on the whole industry by running a big trial of
lined glasses and gave up because of the constant requests of, "top it
up please." Given the cost of new glasses across the whole industry
you can perhaps see why the other chains and independents dragged
their heels on this. What it really needed was top down measure
(sorry) from the government so that a pint was a pint of beer.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil wrote on Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:42 +0100:

>> Graham > wrote:
>>
>>> "James Silverton" > wrote in
>>> message ...
>> >> Hello All!
>> >>
>> >> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from
>> >> Britain, "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little
>> >> beats a cool, crisp pint of beer on a hot summer's day". I
>> >> --
>>> I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz
>>> but it also tends to imply that it will be draught
>>> beer. Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz
>>> but some bars use the US 16floz pint glasses. Graham
>>
>> A pint here is a pint (British pint)- no exception. Indeed,
>> if it's draught beer, you'll be liable to prosecution if you
>> serve it in, say, a half litre glass. There was such a case
>> in the news recently.

>When you buy a pint (or a half) in a public house in the UK
>youtypically get it in a brim measure glass which has a crown
> marked on it to show it complies with the weights and
> measures act. By custom a pint is said to be the beer
> and any head on it.

Is the glass marking the same in Scotland? I seem to remember the top of
the glass being the legal measu no sucking in the foam thro' your
mustache :-)


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Corey Richardson wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:04 GMT, "Graham" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
>>> "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
>>> beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
>>> the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
>>> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
>>> come in 20oz (British pint) bottles?

>>I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
>>tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
>>Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
>>US 16floz pint glasses.
>
>A pint of beer in the UK *has* to be a pint of beer - 1pint/20floz/568ml

Beer is sold in pints and halves.

Spirits used to be sold in fractions of a gill (a sixth or a fifth of
a gill which itself is a quarter of a pint) but now are sold in either
25 or 35 millilitre measures.

Wine when not sold by the bottle comes in small, medium and large
glasses. 125ml, 175ml and 250ml respectively.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Mike ............ wrote:

>"I'm going down the pub for a pint"
>"anyone for another pint"
>"just a swift half (pint) for me"

There is no such thing as a swift half... :-)
>
>"a bottle of (insert name of some fake continental fizz) for me please"
>
>Bottles of things like Theakstons Old Peculier are often thought of as
>bottled "real ale", a misnomer, as they are *nearly* all filtered and
>gassed (as far as I know).

You can get real ale in a bottle. The magic words are "bottle
conditioned" where there is live yeast in the bottle often leaving a
sediment requiring careful pouring to leave it in the bottle. Some
examples off the top of my head; Hen's Tooth, Fullers 1845,
Worthington White Shield. Youngs also do a bottle conditioned bitter.
Shepherd Neame's Spitfire used to be available bottle conditioned but
the bottled product is now gassed and filtered. :-(

Bottled ales from Belgium are more often than not bottle conditioned.
Duvel being a prime example that recieves a couple of months cold
conditioning in the bottles at the brewery before they let it out.
All the trappist ales are bottle conditioned and laughingly have best
before dates on them. Some of them age very well indeed. My problem is
that I struggle to keep them in an undrunk state!
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

On 12 Aug, 22:05, Corey Richardson > wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:04 GMT, "Graham" > wrote:
>
> >"James Silverton" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hello All!
>
> >> I just read an article in a popular science magazine from Britain,
> >> "Chemistry World", where it was stated "Little beats a cool, crisp pint of
> >> beer on a hot summer's day". I thoroughly agree with that sentiment but
> >> the article was illustrated by a picture of beer in the usual 12oz bottle.
> >> Is "pint" just a name for a glass of beer in Britain or does it commonly
> >> come in 20oz (British pint) bottles? I suspect that the use of "pint" for
> >> a glassful is common in Ireland too and I'm aware that the British and
> >> American fl ozs are very slightly different.
>
> >> --
> >I think that when you "go for a pint" it is not only 20floz but it also
> >tends to imply that it will be draught beer.
> >Here, in Calgary, a pint is sometimes the Imp 20floz but some bars use the
> >US 16floz pint glasses.
> >Graham
>
> A pint of beer in the UK *has* to be a pint of beer - 1pint/20floz/568ml

well, that depends :~) my guess is that c90% of pub beer glasses are
brim-ful pints, so if there's any foam showing below the brim, then
you've not got a full pint.

On the point mentioned above, about whether govt should intervene more
in defining & imposing the definition of a pint, one of Tony Blair's
election promises was indeed a guarantee to make a pint truly a pint -
he's gone & we've still got pub co.s getting 80pints out of a 72pint
cask, etc!
Cheers
MikeMcG