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Need help identifying this tree
This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm
wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma along I40. http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:59:53 GMT, Steve M
> wrote: >This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >along I40. > > > >http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg more pictures http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html |
-- "Steve M" > wrote in message ... > This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm > wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on > the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma > along I40. > > > > http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > What do the leaves look like? James A. "Big Jim" Whitten www.lazyq.com |
"Steve M" > wrote in message >> >>http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > > more pictures > > http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html Post it to rec.woodworking or alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:36:58 -0400, "Big Jim" >
wrote: > > >-- "Steve M" > wrote in message .. . >> This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >> wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >> the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >> along I40. >> >> >> >> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg >> >What do the leaves look like? >James A. "Big Jim" Whitten >www.lazyq.com > I posted a link to addtional pictures. http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html |
Steve M wrote: > This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm > wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on > the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma > along I40. > > > > http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg Steve, looks like a shagbark hickory. http://www.state.sc.us/forest/tidcom.htm#shag If the tree has nuts, it'll give it away. For a positive ID, take some leaves into a nursery in Muskogee. While you're at it, have some pork ribs at Maylons. Pierre |
It can't be a hickory, with simple leaves. The hickories all have
compound leaves. Looks more like a Black Tupelo, also known as Black Gum. http://www.state.sc.us/forest/tidusim.htm#bt It seems right by this description but, our resident Texas forester in alt.forestry, Don Staples might know better. Larry, worked for 8 months doing stand exams in South Carolina http://lhfotoware.blogspot.com Pierre wrote: > Steve M wrote: > > This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm > > wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on > > the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma > > along I40. > > > > > > > > http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > > Steve, looks like a shagbark hickory. > http://www.state.sc.us/forest/tidcom.htm#shag > If the tree has nuts, it'll give it away. For a positive ID, take some > leaves into a nursery in Muskogee. While you're at it, have some pork > ribs at Maylons. > > Pierre |
Steve M > wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:59:53 GMT, Steve M > wrote: > >>This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >>wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >>the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >>along I40. >> >> >> >>http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > >more pictures > >http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html > Leaves look like a Paw Paw. IIRC, they won't self-pollinate, so if there isn't another within pollinating distance you won't get fruit. Color seems strange, 'tho. I normally remember Paw Paws turning yellow in fall. |
In article . com>, "Pierre" > wrote:
> >Steve M wrote: >> This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >> wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >> the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >> along I40. >> >> >> >> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > >Steve, looks like a shagbark hickory. Not to someone who knows what a shagbark hickory looks like, it doesn't. I don't -- yet -- know what this tree is, but one thing I know for sure it's NOT is a shagbark hickory. The bark doesn't even remotely resemble shagbark hickory. Not to mention, hickories have pinnate-compound leaves. This doesn't. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"> It can't be a hickory, with simple leaves. The hickories all have > compound leaves. Looks more like a Black Tupelo, also known as Black > Gum. > > http://www.state.sc.us/forest/tidusim.htm#bt > > It seems right by this description but, our resident Texas forester in > alt.forestry, Don Staples might know better. > > Larry, worked for 8 months doing stand exams in South Carolina > Looks like a black gum to me also. They do turn brigh red/crimson in the early fall as well. It's one of my favorite trees. I think you have correctly identified it. |
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> > Like I said -- the OP's tree is unquestionably NOT a shagbark hickory. Nope, I agree that it is a black tupelo |
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:09:38 GMT, Doug Miller >
wrote: >In article >, says... >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:59:53 GMT, Steve M >> > wrote: >> >> >This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >> >wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >> >the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >> >along I40. >> > >Steve, > >How tall is it? >How thick is the trunk? (diameter at chest height) >Does it flower in the spring? > >> >http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg >> >> more pictures >> >> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html > I would estimate it to be 50-60 feet in height and would say it's 24" in diameter at chest height. I can't say about flowering in the Spring as my wife and I just noticed it this year as it was the only tree that is in the process of turning. There are no other trees like it on the property. There are no nuts/fruit on the ground at the base. It's curious as I've not seen anything like it before. The general species of hardwood we have on our property are hickory, oak, persimmon and elm with some ash, sycamore and osage orange. |
Steve M wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:09:38 GMT, Doug Miller > > wrote: > > >>In article >, says... >> >>>On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:59:53 GMT, Steve M > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >>>>wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >>>>the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >>>>along I40. >>>> >> >>Steve, >> >>How tall is it? >>How thick is the trunk? (diameter at chest height) >>Does it flower in the spring? >> >> >>>>http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg >>> >>>more pictures >>> >>>http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html >> > I would estimate it to be 50-60 feet in height and would say it's 24" > in diameter at chest height. I can't say about flowering in the > Spring as my wife and I just noticed it this year as it was the only > tree that is in the process of turning. There are no other trees like > it on the property. There are no nuts/fruit on the ground at the > base. It's curious as I've not seen anything like it before. The > general species of hardwood we have on our property are hickory, oak, > persimmon and elm with some ash, sycamore and osage orange. Is it on wet land, or dry? Also, how big are the leaves in length? Rob |
In article >, Steve M > wrote:
>I would estimate it to be 50-60 feet in height and would say it's 24" >in diameter at chest height. That's about what I had guessed from looking at the pictures, but since there wasn't anything to give a definite scale, I wasn't sure. Anyway, that certainly rules out dogwood (which is why I wondered about flowering). Bark and leaves are right for the pagoda dogwood, and the branching habit fits, too, sort of... but that tree's waaaaaay too tall to be a dogwood. > I can't say about flowering in the >Spring as my wife and I just noticed it this year as it was the only >tree that is in the process of turning. There are no other trees like >it on the property. There are no nuts/fruit on the ground at the >base. It's curious as I've not seen anything like it before. The >general species of hardwood we have on our property are hickory, oak, >persimmon and elm with some ash, sycamore and osage orange. Curious. I've not seen anything quite like it before; on the other hand, I live in Indiana, and I'm familiar mostly with northern and eastern trees. I'm sure you have trees there that don't grow here (and vice versa), although all of the hardwoods you named are quite common in this area too. See if you can lay your hands on a copy of the Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Trees - Western Edition. I've been through the Eastern Edition pretty carefully without finding anything that really matches on leaves, bark, and size. There might be something native to the TX-OK region that we just wouldn't see here in the Midwest. Or it might be an introduced species. Perhaps someone at your local USDA Extension Office can help identify it. Or if there's a college or university nearby, maybe a professor in the biology department? -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
"Steve M" > wrote in message ... > This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm > wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on > the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma > along I40. > > > > http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > Got a county extension office, or USDA office? Bring the twig with some leaves in and I'll bet you'll leave (pun intended) knowing what it is. Jack |
My guess is Black Gum (in some places called "Tupelo Tree"). These are
some of the finest trees for fall color and often one of the first trees to change. The only thing that throws me a little is that the ones I have seen where I grew up had darker leaves, but they were located in more shade, so that could be the explanation. The leaves look right. Black Gum info / images: http://w3.yhc.edu/external/bio/Nysy.jpg http://www.uaex.edu/monroe/forestry/.../black_gum.htm Rob NE PA USA > Steve M wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:09:38 GMT, Doug Miller > >> wrote: >> >> >>> In article >, says... >>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:59:53 GMT, Steve M >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >>>>> wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >>>>> the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >>>>> along I40. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> How tall is it? How thick is the trunk? (diameter at chest height) Does it flower in the spring? >>> >>> >>>>> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> more pictures >>>> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> I would estimate it to be 50-60 feet in height and would say it's 24" >> in diameter at chest height. I can't say about flowering in the >> Spring as my wife and I just noticed it this year as it was the only >> tree that is in the process of turning. There are no other trees like >> it on the property. There are no nuts/fruit on the ground at the >> base. It's curious as I've not seen anything like it before. The >> general species of hardwood we have on our property are hickory, oak, >> persimmon and elm with some ash, sycamore and osage orange. > > > > Is it on wet land, or dry? > > Also, how big are the leaves in length? > > Rob > Jack Schidt® wrote: > "Steve M" > wrote in message > ... > >>This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm >>wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on >>the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma >>along I40. >> >> >> >>http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg >> > > > Got a county extension office, or USDA office? Bring the twig with some > leaves in and I'll bet you'll leave (pun intended) knowing what it is. > > Jack > > |
Steve M > wrote:
> Doug Miller > wrote: > says... > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >This is the only tree so far this season to start to turn. I'm > >> >wondering what it is. It does not bear fruit and is the only one on > >> >the property. Can someone help with id? I live in Eastern Oklahoma > >> >along I40. > >> > > >Steve, how tall is it? > >How thick is the trunk? (diameter at chest height) > >Does it flower in the spring? > > > >> >http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/t...s/DSC00510.jpg > >> > >> more pictures > >> > >> http://home.ipa.net/~stephen.moore/tree/index.html > > > I would estimate it to be 50-60 feet in height and would say it's 24" > in diameter at chest height. I can't say about flowering in the > Spring as my wife and I just noticed it this year as it was the only > tree that is in the process of turning. There are no other trees like > it on the property. There are no nuts/fruit on the ground at the > base. It's curious as I've not seen anything like it before. The > general species of hardwood we have on our property are hickory, oak, > persimmon and elm with some ash, sycamore and osage orange. When I saw the pic of the bark, my first thought was Dutch elm, but I haven't seen one in 45 years and don't remember the leaves. Size is about right. -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled War on Terror Veterans and their families: http://saluteheroes.org/ & http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ! |
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In article >, "MonopTN" change ten to net> wrote:
> >> >> Like I said -- the OP's tree is unquestionably NOT a shagbark hickory. > >Nope, I agree that it is a black tupelo Could be... the tupelo's natural habitat is a lot wetter than Oklahoma tends to be, though... 'course, if the OP is near a river... -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
> > Could be... the tupelo's natural habitat is a lot wetter than Oklahoma > tends > to be, though... 'course, if the OP is near a river... > > -- > Regards, > Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) > Arkansas is within the range in the Audubon book, and I see them frequently here in TN in well drained soils. |
MonopTN wrote:
>>Could be... the tupelo's natural habitat is a lot wetter than Oklahoma >>tends >>to be, though... 'course, if the OP is near a river... >> >>-- >>Regards, >> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) >> > > > Arkansas is within the range in the Audubon book, and I see them frequently > here in TN in well drained soils. > > > It is definitely Black Gum. They often grow in wet areas, but do very well in dry areas. They are also a great tree for the yard, very nice fall colors. I see them here in PA, but the website I use to lookup trees say they grow in Oklahoma as well. Rob NE PA USA |
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:58:30 GMT, Rob > wrote:
>MonopTN wrote: >>>Could be... the tupelo's natural habitat is a lot wetter than Oklahoma >>>tends >>>to be, though... 'course, if the OP is near a river... >>> >>>-- >>>Regards, >>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) >>> >> >> >> Arkansas is within the range in the Audubon book, and I see them frequently >> here in TN in well drained soils. >> >> >> > >It is definitely Black Gum. They often grow in wet areas, but do very >well in dry areas. They are also a great tree for the yard, very nice >fall colors. I see them here in PA, but the website I use to lookup >trees say they grow in Oklahoma as well. > >Rob >NE PA USA Thanks to everyone for opinions. I do think it is a Black Gum. While the bark is not 100% representative of the pictures I've seen, the leaves are the closest. It is growing close to a pond but by no means in a wet area. I'll probably thin out around it to give it more growing room. |
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