"D. Winsor" > wrote

Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
> of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country has sunk
> under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis storm
to
> have so much misery untended in the aftermath.


How many ****ing years have the levees remained unmodified?

How many years did they live hurricane free?

40 I think is the answer to the first question. This would place the blame
squarely on Democratic shoulders.

That's tongue in cheek of course as it's no political party's fault that
Nawlins is a poor city built in a hole.

I just know Kevvie is waiting with baited breath for me to say it.

You know what I mean Kevvie. Ask me nicely and maybe I'll give you what you
want.


TFM®

TFM® wrote:
> "D. Winsor" > wrote
>
> Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
>> of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country
>> has sunk
>> under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis
>> storm to
>> have so much misery untended in the aftermath.
>
>
> How many ****ing years have the levees remained unmodified?
>
> How many years did they live hurricane free?
>
> 40 I think is the answer to the first question. This would place
> the blame
> squarely on Democratic shoulders.
>
> That's tongue in cheek of course as it's no political party's fault
> that
> Nawlins is a poor city built in a hole.
>
> I just know Kevvie is waiting with baited breath for me to say it.
>
> You know what I mean Kevvie. Ask me nicely and maybe I'll give you
> what you
> want.
>
>
> TFM®

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/1282151.html

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> wrote in message

> Go ahead and put me on you KF. I've been on usenet much longer than you &
your kind
> that have been spouting socialism and bio ethics .

So senile dementia is your excuse then? We're so sorry, it's not nice to
pick on the or addled. You should have told us sooner.

Matthew L. Martin wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.
>
> Your "points" are well regurgitatated,

As are yours.

> but you really should broaden
> you reading material.

To what, the New York Times. Without any evidence to the contrary, you
divert the drivel you spout to an attempt to denigrate my information
sources? How patronizing.

Many people inside the current administration
> have made statements essentially the same as the ones I made.

Not really. You have pulled things way out of meaning.

> are not controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your
> news from FOX and Limbaugh.

No, but Air America appears to be your bed buddy.

>> FEMA is run by homeland security? Really? Sorta like the CIA and
>> the FBI are run by homeland security?
>>
>
>
> <http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1152&slug=Katrina% 20Homeland%20Security>


Seattle PI..... now THAT'S a balanced source..... NOT.

> At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.

No, you didn't. You simply regurgitated liberal pablum. Homeland Security is
a coordinating federal umbrella of agencies. It's mission is to develop
priorities for emergency responses to a variety of national crises, and to
act as a clearing house for domestic and international intelligence. It does
not operate those agencies, which is what you have tried to state. Each
agency responds to the priorities as it sees fit. But of course you knew
that.


--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

>>> "Issued by the Department of Homeland Security in January, the
>>> national response plan gives the agency [Homeland Security] the
>>> authority to ----synchronize---- all federal assistance,

You'd better figger out what "synchronize" means in govt. speak. In fact,
quit relying on the media as you sole guide to your (lack of) knowledge
base. It has nothing to do with usurping individual agencies autonomy. Try
giving FEMA a call, and ask THEM how Homeland Security functions within
FEMAs structure and mission.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

D. Winsor wrote:

> .... Basic preparedness like
> ensuring the soundness of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows
> how far your country has sunk under Republican rule.

That's right, the levee system was only built in 2001.

> There was an
> awful lot of warning for thuis storm to have so much misery untended
> in the aftermath.

Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:

> "Improve National Response and Recovery Efforts by Focusing FEMA on
> Its Core Functions. FEMA will report directly to the Secretary of
> Homeland Security."
>
> http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0646.xml

Right. Just like the FBI, CIA, etc. etc. That's because it is a
clearinghouse agency. Now, show us just where DIRECTION of the agency is
run DIRECTLY by Homeland Security.

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

BOB wrote:

> http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/1282151.html

Published on September 11, 2001, no less.

From the above article: "The fact that New Orleans has not already sunk
is a matter of luck"

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
"Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?"

You're the one using the word stupid. Up north of you is a brother who
thinks your country has lost its way. Half of my family is from and live in
the southern US full time as citizens and there's a great number of
snowbirds there every winter. The snowbirds are leaving. The US citizens
are talking immigration and we're watching a brother country sink further
and further into paranoia and insanity. Your defensiveness is a good
indication why my children will see the US as a third world country.

Up here I see most people wondering how your country could leave these
people as they are for so long. Up here I see most people asking how they
can help. I figure you guys would have trouble accepting a good deal of
those people over your border.
>
> --
> Dave
> Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
> http://davebbq.com/
>

"D. Winsor" > wrote:
>
PLONK!

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their families:
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Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !

> wrote in message
...
> "D. Winsor" > wrote:
"PLONK!"

There's American isolationism at work. BTW, I'm a great supporter of troops
and vetrans however misplaced they may be.

On 02 Sep 2005 10:09:58 GMT, wrote:

>"D. Winsor" > wrote:
>>
>PLONK!

Got no counter-argument, huh? Very mature.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:26 GMT, "D. Winsor"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> "D. Winsor" > wrote:
>"PLONK!"
>
>There's American isolationism at work.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

You misspled "intellectual cowardice." He might just as well have
stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Dave, did anyone "win" the last go around where you showed off your beliefs?
And BTW Being a "dittohead" is NOT something to be proud of. Your attempts
to discredit sources etc. make obvious who you listen to. Seen it before.
Bet you're up on most "talking points" and can regurgitate the party line on
Swift Boat Vets, SSI, why AARP is such a bad group, how Cindy is a *******
communist amerika-hater and why Rove is blemish free in regards to the
Wilson/Plame affair and why, oh why is he being persecuted?

Life long registered Republican, but thinks GW is a disgrace to his country
and should probably be in prison, along with 2 of his brothers.

They find any WMD yet? How 'bout Osama? Madrid, London would like to know.

D
--





"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
> Matthew L. Martin wrote:
> > Dave Bugg wrote:
> >
> > Normal kneejerk reaction snipped.
> >
> > Your "points" are well regurgitatated,
>
> As are yours.
>
> > but you really should broaden
> > you reading material.
>
> To what, the New York Times. Without any evidence to the contrary, you
> divert the drivel you spout to an attempt to denigrate my information
> sources? How patronizing.
>
> Many people inside the current administration
> > have made statements essentially the same as the ones I made.
>
> Not really. You have pulled things way out of meaning.
>
> > are not controversial any more. That is unless you get all of your
> > news from FOX and Limbaugh.
>
> No, but Air America appears to be your bed buddy.
>
> >> FEMA is run by homeland security? Really? Sorta like the CIA and
> >> the FBI are run by homeland security?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...?category=1152
&slug=Katrina%20Homeland%20Security>
>
>
> Seattle PI..... now THAT'S a balanced source..... NOT.
>
> > At least I checked my facts before I posted them on usenet.
>
> No, you didn't. You simply regurgitated liberal pablum. Homeland Security
is
> a coordinating federal umbrella of agencies. It's mission is to develop
> priorities for emergency responses to a variety of national crises, and to
> act as a clearing house for domestic and international intelligence. It
does
> not operate those agencies, which is what you have tried to state. Each
> agency responds to the priorities as it sees fit. But of course you knew
> that.
>
>
> --
> Dave
> Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
> http://davebbq.com/
>
>

"D. Winsor" wrote:
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...

> "Was that when it was rated cat. 1 or cat. 5? So you are now blaming the
> stoopid 'Mercans in the affected vicinity for not heeding the warnings and
> leaving? Or are you referring to the stooopid 'Mercans ignoring the
> hurricane and not making it go away, or moving it to someplace like Europe?"

Just read the link Reg contributed.

The last hurricane could have been just as bad. I was supposed to be
down there then but cancelled the plans because I knew the history and
the problems. It didn't happen though. It is totally unfortunate for
those suffering but they knew better. Anyone that stayed should be
nominated for a Darwin but that doesn't change the fact that we must
help them, fast. I've heard some harse statements from people that I
disagree with but I think only a souless individual could wish harm on
these people just because they made a stupid decision. It is like saying
a child deserved to be shocked if they stick a knife in the socket.


********* All in all, blame the state for not having a response plan in
place not the Feds. Blame the one that stayed in NewOreleans for the
misery that they are having. The state carries the burden for not
helping those evacuate that did not have the means. It is now time for
the Feds to bail out the state for pispoor planning. It takes time to
mobilize (what you think the boat in the area survived and the navy
didn't move out of the way) and it isn't as easy as just dropping in
food (ever seen what happens when you drop food in the middle of 25000
starving people).*********

A similar situation can happen anytime in the New Madrid and San Andreas
area. If a warning were put out and I didn't move to a stable region,
then I'd have nobody to blame but myself.

-CAL

"Kevin S. Wilson" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:26 GMT, "D. Winsor"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "D. Winsor" > wrote:
> >"PLONK!"
> >
> >There's American isolationism at work.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> You misspled "intellectual cowardice." He might just as well have
> stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"


I hear the comments from the peanut gallery but no response to the
discussion at hand. Kevin, care to step out on a limb for a second and
state a belief or are you gonna keep on doing the 'Safety Dance'?

-CAL

Duwop wrote:

> They find any WMD yet? How 'bout Osama? Madrid, London would like to know.

Nice transition and dilution. So you are blaming the US for Madrid and
London attacks?

I guess you would also blame a guy for being carjacked just because he
has a nice car too? You may not see the correlation but the issue is we
walk amongst snakes. Some would rather dodge them and base their
security on luck, others would rather take charge and try to remove the
nuisance. The first case allows the snake to multiply and only get
worse. The second case at least offers the hope that the threat will be
neutralized. In both cases you risk getting bitten. There is no
provocation, they bite you because you are there.

-CAL

D. Winsor wrote:

> You're the one using the word stupid.

I was the one who used the word "stooopid".

> Up north of you is a brother
> who thinks your country has lost its way.

Ah, rhetoric, thy use is hyperbolic.

> Half of my family is from
> and live in the southern US full time as citizens

They have good taste.

>and there's a great
> number of snowbirds there every winter. The snowbirds are leaving.

It has to do with global warming and interference with migration patterns.

> The US citizens are talking immigration

We talk about it all the time. We are trying to keep the flood of illegals
out.

> and we're watching a brother
> country sink further and further into paranoia and insanity.

Uh, huh. Oh, and the phrase "Brother Country" is catchy, too.

> Your
> defensiveness is a good indication why my children will see the US as
> a third world country.

That should state "defense of my country". And your children are just so
very important to me, I think our country should do whatever it takes to
make your children see us the way you belive we should be.

Gee, you'd hate to know what my children think of our Northern Funny Uncle.
Hmm... actually, they don't think of you folks at all. Wow.

> Up here I see most people wondering how your country could leave these
> people as they are for so long.

You really are a strange person. But of course,we're not as experienced at
rescuing hurricane stranded folks as Canada. I guess in your world view of
things massive numbers of people --- all of whom, btw, ignored the warnings
to move out of the area --- stranded.over a massive territory that has had
all infrastructure destroyed, could be rescued immediately. I wish we were
as good as you. I guess I'll move to Canada, ya just never know when
rescuing from a hurricane might be necessary.

> Up here I see most people asking
> how they can help.

The Red Cross doesn't exist in Canada?

> I figure you guys would have trouble accepting a
> good deal of those people over your border.

A good deal of "what" people? And when these people get here, just what is
it that they are going to do? And how are they going to get in the affected
areas? And what are they going to do then. Heck, send 'em down, the
border is still open, ain't it? What's stopping you from putting your money
where your mouth is?

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

D. Winsor wrote:

> There's American isolationism at work. BTW, I'm a great supporter of
> troops and vetrans however misplaced they may be.

They're not misplaced. We know where every one of 'em are.

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:

> Got no counter-argument, huh? Very mature.

There ARE such things as stupid questions, stupid people, and stupid
discussions. There is also no obligation to waste one's time in answering
every tired, regurgitated, "I hate America" post. Those types of posts
never resolve, regardless of how successful the counter, much as the JFK
conspiracy theorists will never accept that there was no second shooter on
the grassy knoll, regardles of the evidence to the contrary. .KFing someone
is a perfectly acceptable rhetorical method, whether it has your stamp of
approval or not.

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:23:25 GMT, > wrote:

>A Lib posted:
>Fix your newsreader, bozo, so that it quotes correctly. You'll still
>be killfiled for being an ignorant ditto-head, but at least your
>newsreader will quote correctly.
>
>Maybe you should learn how to read/post on usenet.
>Should I top post? Hmm No. Maybe use outlook? Hmm No again.
>Oh Oh I know I should use Forte. Hmmm NOT.
>Just like a Lib. to think everything they do is correct and everybody else is wrong.
>
>Go ahead and put me on you KF. I've been on usenet much longer than you & your kind
>that have been spouting socialism and bio ethics .
>
>It's funny how these freaks want to KF others who don't agree with there sick ideas.
>
>I do have to say that this thing has gone way off topic.
>I apologize to the orig. poster since I allowed
>myself to be sucked into resonding to a liberal looser who should just leave our country.

Rarely have I seen so much pig-headed ignorance expressed in so few
words.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:23:25 GMT, > wrote:

>I've been on usenet much longer than you & your kin

Yet you still haven't figured out how to configure your newsreader so
it quotes properly. Kind of a slow learner, eh?

As for your claim of longevity, I'll bet you also make scads of money,
drive a very expensive car, and have a large American penis. There. I
saved you the trouble of crowing about all three.

Duwop wrote:

> Dave, did anyone "win" the last go around where you showed off your
> beliefs?

Was it a contest? And is anyone winning while you show off YOUR beliefs?
BTW, it was Matthew Martin, not I, that started this crap.

> And BTW Being a "dittohead" is NOT something to be proud of....

Ah, the expected attack on my assumed information sources. There is a wealth
of information that has little to do with the crap you've spewed. And there
are many folks, by virtue of past associations and work with the agencies
talked about, who have a knowledge base that is hardly dependent on media.

> Life long registered Republican, but thinks GW is a disgrace to his
> country and should probably be in prison, along with 2 of his
> brothers.

Let's ask you your own question "did anyone "win" the last go around where
you showed off your
beliefs?"

The funny thing is, it is folks like you and Martin who have to turn
everything into politics, yet you run squeeeeeling like pigs to the
slaughter when confronted.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:29:27 -0700, "Duwop" > wrote:

>Dave, did anyone "win" the last go around where you showed off your beliefs?
>And BTW Being a "dittohead" is NOT something to be proud of. Your attempts
>to discredit sources etc. make obvious who you listen to. Seen it before.
>Bet you're up on most "talking points" and can regurgitate the party line on
>Swift Boat Vets, SSI, why AARP is such a bad group, how Cindy is a *******
>communist amerika-hater and why Rove is blemish free in regards to the
>Wilson/Plame affair and why, oh why is he being persecuted?

<snork>

You about got them all, but shouldn't you have left room for equating
stem-cell researchers with abortionists?

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
"There ARE such things as stupid questions, stupid people, and stupid
discussions. There is also no obligation to waste one's time in answering
every tired, regurgitated, "I hate America" post."

The problem with that Dave is I don't hate America. I grew up with American
bases around and half my family is American. I live in Canada and have
worked side by side with Americans in the oil fields. I'm afraid some of
those people leave you with much the same impression as orientals in that
you don't really work with them as much as hinder them like dirt on their
shoe.

"Those types of posts never resolve, regardless of how successful the
counter, much as the JFK conspiracy theorists will never accept that there
was no second shooter on the grassy knoll, regardles of the evidence to the
contrary."

No they don't. I understand The looting and violence is much worse now in
New Orleans. Why is that? Why can the military pinpoint any place on earth
and execute a plan to kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own
people in your own backyard.

KFing someone is a perfectly acceptable rhetorical method, whether it has
your stamp of approval or not."

Yes, and poking your head in the sand is good too. Look at it this way:
Like it or not we are part of America, North America, and we're a lot like
you people down there except we don't have the pressures you do. We're
concerned, Dave, that you people have actually gone right around the bend
and aren't acting on this disaster because of the colour of the people
mostly left behind and you president likes the high price of oil right now.
If you gave us free passage, our Canadian military do build and teach
economics to the poor and downtrodden. We could be there in a day.
>
> --
> Dave
> Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
> http://davebbq.com/
>

"D. Winsor" wrote:

Why can the military pinpoint any place on earth
> and execute a plan to kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own
> people in your own backyard.

Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you
wish to speak on US politics.

"cl" > wrote in message
...
"Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you wish
to speak on US politics."

Nonsense, warriors are more than killing machines. If what you say is true,
you should be firing whoever cut their orders. I can see you're the
southern trash my cousins speak of. You're all insular and hillbillie-like.
US politics are world politics.

"D. Winsor" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
> "There ARE such things as stupid questions, stupid people, and stupid
> discussions. There is also no obligation to waste one's time in answering
> every tired, regurgitated, "I hate America" post."
>
> The problem with that Dave is I don't hate America. I grew up with
American
> bases around and half my family is American. I live in Canada and have
> worked side by side with Americans in the oil fields. I'm afraid some of
> those people leave you with much the same impression as orientals in that
> you don't really work with them as much as hinder them like dirt on their
> shoe.

For ****s sake, you've been asked more than once in this thread, can you
kindly twiddle a few knobs on your newsreader so I know exactly who I'm
answering. It ain't rocket science!

Graeme

<snipped the confusion>

"D. Winsor" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cl" > wrote in message
> ...
> "Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you
wish
> to speak on US politics."
>
> Nonsense, warriors are more than killing machines. If what you say is
true,
> you should be firing whoever cut their orders. I can see you're the
> southern trash my cousins speak of. You're all insular and
hillbillie-like.
> US politics are world politics.

And can you do us all a favour and stick this divot in your KF!

Graeme

"D. Winsor" wrote:

> "Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you wish
> to speak on US politics."
>
> Nonsense, warriors are more than killing machines.

And what pivotal event took place to establish this precedent?



Now we digress to topic ranging from globalization to re-writing the
Constitution.


> If what you say is true,
> you should be firing whoever cut their orders.

"The Constitution grants to Congress the power to raise and support
armies and a navy, to suppress insurrections, and repel invasion among
other military-related governmental roles" via a cornell link

Just a primer. As was witnessed in the fall of Rome, the ability of a
large standing army to coerce politics and oppress the citizens was
recongnized. The intent of the Framers was to breakup the command so
that the State has authority of it's militia. Should the Republic be
threatened, Congress had the power to call up the the State militias
under the command of the President as Commander in Chief (of all). This
was the original intent but has changed over time. Multiple C/NCs were
seen as presiding commanders over a particular region and now they are
nonexistant as per Homeland Security.

Simply, military: good for defense, bad for policing. This day an age is
no different from 60 years ago (however we would like to think so).
People can be corrupt and limits are inplace to try to stop it from
destroying the country.


That is why the State was urged to use the National Guard. Likewise, if
we were to devote Federal troops to the situation, we would have opened
a door for a terrorist strike to occur. This would be a great time for
one of the k00ks to strike.


> I can see you're the
> southern trash my cousins speak of. You're all insular and hillbillie-like.
> US politics are world politics.

The context of this is confusing (or all inclusive). Are you commenting
on an isolationalist mentality or unsophisticaed? I'd also love to know
your definition of "hillbillie-like" and how it implies anything in
regard to your argument.

-CAL

"Graeme...in London" wrote:
>
> "D. Winsor" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "cl" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > "Because they are not supposed to. It is up to you to learn why if you
> wish
> > to speak on US politics."
> >
> > Nonsense, warriors are more than killing machines. If what you say is
> true,
> > you should be firing whoever cut their orders. I can see you're the
> > southern trash my cousins speak of. You're all insular and
> hillbillie-like.
> > US politics are world politics.
>
> And can you do us all a favour and stick this divot in your KF!
>
> Graeme

Go brush your teeth or something.

"Graeme...in London" > wrote in message
...
"And can you do us all a favour and stick this divot in your KF!"

Done.

"Graeme...in London" > wrote in message
...
"For ****s sake, you've been asked more than once in this thread, can you
kindly twiddle a few knobs on your newsreader so I know exactly who I'm
answering. It ain't rocket science!"

Just like this one is in quotation, those others are also in quotation. The
person in quotes is who I'm responding to. Which buttons get rid of the
arrows? I haven't had a complaint with this technique in five years on
usenet.

"D. Winsor" wrote:
>
> "Graeme...in London" > wrote in message
> ...
> "And can you do us all a favour and stick this divot in your KF!"
>
> Done.


Great way to hedge the a clean argument.

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
"Ah, rhetoric, thy use is hyperbolic."

Not a chance. We have a stadium in this city, St. John's, that was built as
a war memorial by the citizens and the American service men. That memorial
park is now being turned into a big box store. The mutual kindness between
Newfoundlanders and Americans goes way back before the Canadians ever came
into the picture.

"It has to do with global warming and interference with migration patterns."

No, it has to do with the way they're treated by authorities.

"We talk about it all the time. We are trying to keep the flood of illegals
out."

Yah gotta admit that your rich are only half hearted about losing that cheap
labour. Seriously though, we import cheap labour the same way for shitty
jobs, but I'm talking about property owning and tax paying citizens who
don't like where their country is headed. I'm talking about people who've
lived their lives in the states but prefer the atmosphere here. Hey, thirty
million long standing Democrats to the north of you can't be all wrong.

"Uh, huh. Oh, and the phrase "Brother Country" is catchy, too."

Well, sorry if my sentimentality gets the best of me, but with so many
relatives there... No, Damn it! That may be part of it for me personally,
but you won't find too many Canadians who don't feel Americans are family.

"That should state "defense of my country"."

I ain't attacking your country. I am attacking your policies.

"And your children are just so very important to me, I think our country
should do whatever it takes to make your children see us the way you belive
we should be."

All children are important, Dave. They're much more important than you or
me, but I only brrought the children into it to show the time span I see.

"Gee, you'd hate to know what my children think of our Northern Funny Uncle.
Hmm... actually, they don't think of you folks at all. Wow."

In fact, that isn't really true in my case, but you should be ashamed to
flaunt such astounding ignorance.

"You really are a strange person. But of course,we're not as experienced at
rescuing hurricane stranded folks as Canada."

We have a fifty-six second response time to that Air France near tragedy
last month. When the Red Deer River flooded, troops were ther the next day.

"I guess in your world view of things massive numbers of people --- all of
whom, btw, ignored the warnings to move out of the area --- stranded.over a
massive territory that has had all infrastructure destroyed, could be
rescued immediately."

No Dave, for the past week many people fled, but many couldn't. Tell me,
are the people in the hospitals included in your assessment. Were the poor
included? You people could've had the busses lined off for many who're
stuck there. BTW, we've offered help and have been snarled in your
government's wish to do this themselves. I guess we could be like the Japs
and send a check, but that seems less than genuine.

"I wish we were as good as you. I guess I'll move to Canada, ya just never
know when rescuing from a hurricane might be necessary."

Now you see, this is exactly the iisufferable arrogance of you people. It
is pointed out that you're faltering and assistance is offered, but you
people always have to be the biggest, bestest and the brbightest and you
quite simply aren't. You skoff at the idea of brbrotherhood while paying
lip service to it in your hunt for Bin Laden. Meanwhile, your bestest and
brightest with your "buns laden" sit at home and skoff.

"The Red Cross doesn't exist in Canada?"

We had a Red Cross before you Americans. I guess that's your sarcastic way
of looking for that check, eh?

"A good deal of "what" people? And when these people get here, just what is
it that they are going to do?"

Our people would do what they're trained to do, save lives.

"And how are they going to get in the affected areas?"

Engineers carry bridges with them. Our navy is smaller but better trained
for this sort of thing. We train killers who can act as police and rescue,
you're crow is that your military isn't for that.

"And what are they going to do then. Heck, send 'em down, the border is
still open, ain't it?"

Nope, not really, but we've made offers if you check the day's news. I
guess you'll all laugh and threaten to whomp our little Canadian military
now, but we've offered.

"What's stopping you from putting your money where your mouth is?"

Our money is always where our mouth is to when family is concerned. Even
when that family is insufferably arrogant and unthankful. Nonetheless, this
is the last political post I'm gonna make here. I'm here for the barbeque.
I've learned a lot from this group and I'm keepin' my fires lit.
>
> --
> Dave
> Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
> http://davebbq.com/
>

D. Winsor wrote:

"Why can the military pinpoint any place on earth and execute a plan to
kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own people in your own
backyard."

I'm sorry, I've been watching this thread with amusment and can't let this
one go. If you're looking for the military as some sort of compassionate
savior, you're looking in the wrong direction. The military is trained to
kill people and break things. Where they go wrong is when they try to be
compassionate and help the downtrodden -- i.e. PRESENT Iraq, Sudan, etc.
We're not the Welcome Wagon, and we're not the Red Cross.

Just my two cents, but two cents from a vet who's been there none-the-less.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:37:37 +0100, "Graeme...in London"
> wrote:

>For ****s sake, you've been asked more than once in this thread, can you
>kindly twiddle a few knobs on your newsreader so I know exactly who I'm
>answering.

Agreed, Graeme, but it was who was asked more than once.
But, remember, he's been on the Usernet since before baseball.

>It ain't rocket science!

I think you mean "rocket surgery."

BTW, sorry I missed your call.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:50:29 GMT, "D. Winsor"
> wrote:

>
>"Graeme...in London" > wrote in message
...
>"For ****s sake, you've been asked more than once in this thread, can you
>kindly twiddle a few knobs on your newsreader so I know exactly who I'm
>answering. It ain't rocket science!"
>
>Just like this one is in quotation, those others are also in quotation. The
>person in quotes is who I'm responding to. Which buttons get rid of the
>arrows? I haven't had a complaint with this technique in five years on
>usenet.
>

You do now.

"Jon Judson" > wrote in message
news:Yf2Se.2736$aG.2094@trndny01...
> D. Winsor wrote:
>
> "Why can the military pinpoint any place on earth and execute a plan to
> kill, but it can't execute a plan to save your own people in your own
> backyard."
>
> I'm sorry, I've been watching this thread with amusment and can't let this
> one go. If you're looking for the military as some sort of compassionate
> savior, you're looking in the wrong direction. The military is trained to
> kill people and break things. Where they go wrong is when they try to be
> compassionate and help the downtrodden -- i.e. PRESENT Iraq, Sudan, etc.
> We're not the Welcome Wagon, and we're not the Red Cross.
>
> Just my two cents, but two cents from a vet who's been there
> none-the-less.
>

Hmmm...so who operated the Berlin Airlift? PanAm?

Jack

"TFM®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "D. Winsor" > wrote
>
> Basic preparedness like ensuring the soundness
>> of the levees surrounding New Orleans shows how far your country has sunk
>> under Republican rule. There was an awful lot of warning for thuis storm
> to
>> have so much misery untended in the aftermath.
>
>
> How many ****ing years have the levees remained unmodified?
>
> How many years did they live hurricane free?
>
> 40 I think is the answer to the first question. This would place the
> blame
> squarely on Democratic shoulders.
>
> That's tongue in cheek of course as it's no political party's fault that
> Nawlins is a poor city built in a hole.
>
> I just know Kevvie is waiting with baited breath for me to say it.
>
> You know what I mean Kevvie. Ask me nicely and maybe I'll give you what
> you
> want.
>
>
> TFM®
>
>

Yeah....that dirty "I" word....infrastructure. Ours needs some help and you
know how it is, it's highway bill time and well, maintaining and upgrading
levees just isn't as sexy as a new highway interchange or a new subway line.
And yeah, everybody's at fault, no need to point fingers. We're running
everything on the cheap, and you get what ya pay for.

Jack