They now have 2 BBQs..
As well as an interesting story about how the company was started...
I think the new model is beautiful..
www.KomodoKamado.com
I wrote to some of the people they sold to on Ebay and all gave positive
reviews of both their BBQs and service..
Anyone have one of these?
Thanks,
David

DrQ wrote:
> They now have 2 BBQs..
> As well as an interesting story about how the company was started...
> I think the new model is beautiful..
> www.KomodoKamado.com
> I wrote to some of the people they sold to on Ebay and all gave positive
> reviews of both their BBQs and service..
> Anyone have one of these?
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
Anyone get a price or time of delivery on these? Sure looks as if they
have a bone to pick with Kamado. What's the real story?

Sonoran Dude wrote:
> DrQ wrote:
>
>> They now have 2 BBQs.. As well as an interesting story about how the
>> company was started... I think the new model is beautiful..
>> www.KomodoKamado.com
>> I wrote to some of the people they sold to on Ebay and all gave
>> positive reviews of both their BBQs and service.. Anyone have one of
>> these?
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
> Anyone get a price or time of delivery on these? Sure looks as if they
> have a bone to pick with Kamado. What's the real story?


Message received loud and clear.. must be spam

Sonoran Dude wrote:

> Message received loud and clear.. must be spam

Why is it spam?

--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Sonoran Dude wrote:
>
>
>>Message received loud and clear.. must be spam
>
>
> Why is it spam?
>
It looks like a pretty good unit. I was wondering why they would want to
market their product bashing the original so much. If you read the
website they point a lot of fingers to poor customer service etc. He
doesn't come right out and say they are talking about Kamado but you get
the general drift.
The spring loaded top does look like a nice feature but was wondering
about the screw top vent and if it eventually gets gunked up with smoke.
I have no idea what these will cost but they suggest that they are
building the best unit possible at any price... that is scarry. Just
wondering what they are asking for them.

Sonoran Dude wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>
>> Sonoran Dude wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Message received loud and clear.. must be spam
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is it spam?
>>
> It looks like a pretty good unit. I was wondering why they would want to
> market their product bashing the original so much. If you read the
> website they point a lot of fingers to poor customer service etc. He
> doesn't come right out and say they are talking about Kamado but you get
> the general drift.
> The spring loaded top does look like a nice feature but was wondering
> about the screw top vent and if it eventually gets gunked up with smoke.
> I have no idea what these will cost but they suggest that they are
> building the best unit possible at any price... that is scarry. Just
> wondering what they are asking for them.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20723&item=4388439 069&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW>

--
Matthew

I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion, I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

"Sonoran Dude" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> Sonoran Dude wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Message received loud and clear.. must be spam
>>
>>
>> Why is it spam?
>>
> It looks like a pretty good unit. I was wondering why they would want to
> market their product bashing the original so much. If you read the website
> they point a lot of fingers to poor customer service etc. He doesn't come
> right out and say they are talking about Kamado but you get the general
> drift.
> The spring loaded top does look like a nice feature but was wondering
> about the screw top vent and if it eventually gets gunked up with smoke. I
> have no idea what these will cost but they suggest that they are building
> the best unit possible at any price... that is scarry. Just wondering what
> they are asking for them.

The screw top vent is also on the Kamado and would get gunked up if you
don't periodically spray it with some cooking oil. If it does get gunked
up, run the K at high heat and it will loosen. After it cools take a wire
brush and clean the threads and apply your cooking oil.

Jack

"Sonoran Dude" >

> It looks like a pretty good unit. I was wondering why they would want to
> market their product bashing the original so much. If you read the website
> they point a lot of fingers to poor customer service etc. He doesn't come
> right out and say they are talking about Kamado but you get the general
> drift.

I get turned off by negative advertising like that. Many people know their
competitor has some customer service problems, but to use that as a selling
point for your product is plain wrong. When an outfit is low class like
that, I have to wonder about their integrity when it comes time for them to
stand behind the product. I'll pass.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

>
>
> I get turned off by negative advertising like that. Many people know their
> competitor has some customer service problems, but to use that as a selling
> point for your product is plain wrong. When an outfit is low class like
> that, I have to wonder about their integrity when it comes time for them to
> stand behind the product. I'll pass.

I agree. Being in sales myself you never knock your competition. If
someone was to mention Kamado and I was selling the Komodo product I
would just say... "good cooker but ours is better and this is why..."

It's one thing to say that you will support the product for life and
it's another to actually do it. The structure looks sound but have
reservations of the bolts that are apparently built into the ceramic for
the lid hinge. It looks as if that design could possibly lead to
cracking etc. They put bands on the old version for a reason and it's
been around since I was a kid. So what if you need to tighten them once
in awhile.

They need to come up with something to refute the asbestos claim they
mention on their site. For all we know there may be something just as
toxic to create this industrial grade composite.

Talking to my dad the other day he told me they used to stop in Japan on
the way back from flying supply runs to Vietnam and buy Kamados for $10
a piece. Wow! Talk about inflation!

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:07:13 -0700, Sonoran Dude
> wrote:

>
>>
>>
>> I get turned off by negative advertising like that. Many people know their
>> competitor has some customer service problems, but to use that as a selling
>> point for your product is plain wrong. When an outfit is low class like
>> that, I have to wonder about their integrity when it comes time for them to
>> stand behind the product. I'll pass.
>
>I agree. Being in sales myself you never knock your competition. If
>someone was to mention Kamado and I was selling the Komodo product I
>would just say... "good cooker but ours is better and this is why..."
>
>It's one thing to say that you will support the product for life and
>it's another to actually do it. The structure looks sound but have
>reservations of the bolts that are apparently built into the ceramic for
>the lid hinge. It looks as if that design could possibly lead to
>cracking etc. They put bands on the old version for a reason and it's
>been around since I was a kid. So what if you need to tighten them once
>in awhile.
>
>They need to come up with something to refute the asbestos claim they
>mention on their site. For all we know there may be something just as
>toxic to create this industrial grade composite.
>
>Talking to my dad the other day he told me they used to stop in Japan on
>the way back from flying supply runs to Vietnam and buy Kamados for $10
>a piece. Wow! Talk about inflation!
>


Well, let's see....

First off, I've watched these komodos as they've appeared on EBAY.
about a year ago (maybe less) I emailed to the seller asking a
question or two and he answered them (sizing questions mainly.

I think they clearly started off trying to capitalize on what
historically has been Kamado co.'s weak area: The numerous tales of
customer service failings.

Now, I have 3 Kamados at my house. My first was an Indonesian made
#7. It was delivered about a month and a half overdue, but at the
time I purchased it, that was better than was being reported by
others. I had one or two minor issues that the Kamado folks cleared
up right away.

This spring I splurged for a #9 and a #1 for my daughter from the new
Mexican plant. I definitely noticed an improvement in the finish and
the K arrived 4 days after the original ship date I was given. in all
areas I have found the new Ks to be superior and the service to have
improved over the last few years.

All of the above being said...there have long been questions on how
the Kamado company runs it's biz. Mainly how they, a company the
mainly depends on word of mouth and their product, could have gone so
long without fixing some of their fundamental supply and demand flaws,
as well as ongoing customer service issues. Beyond design, their
business seems to be a fairly straightforward one. But time and again
they seemed to stumble, just not quite getting it right..and failing
to meet their customers expectations in other than if and/or when they
finally got the product, it was pretty dang neat.

BUT....

I haven't seen much design improvement...a number of the issues that
come up in the Kamado forums are the same ones as years back. It
seems that PERHAPS, the KOMODO folks picked up on a lot of that and
are forging ahead with a scoche more entrepreneurial sprit than
Richard still has and are paying attention to this stuff.

NOT TO SAY that they aren't totally ripping him off...they may well
be. I don't know patent or intellectual property rights well enough
to say...

But then...Richard wasn't the first to make a Kamado...he just saw
what some country folks were cooking rice in and started importing
them...then made some changes to the design to be a better Grill and
then.....

Hmmmm....

As for the Asbestos issue...well I did see that floating around the
Kamado forum awhile back...seemed a the time a questionable jab, even
if the new guys were ripping him off, but I can't SWEAR I saw if
directly from Richard.

So in the end, I don't know if it is a total ripoff, or capitalism and
free market competition at it's best...but I sure would like to SEE
one of the Komodos to compare for myself....

-Chef Juke
"EVERYbody Eats When They Come To MY House!"
www.chefjuke.com

Chef Juke wrote:
/snip/
>
> First off, I've watched these komodos as they've appeared on EBAY.
> about a year ago (maybe less)
/snip/

Their last sale on Ebay was in January. Take a look at the feedback, it
is positive but with very sparse sales. Some of the feedback is for
purchases, a tactic used by some sellers to pump up their scores. None
of the sales are recent enough to get transaction details. If I was
going to drop over 1000 CDN on a cooker I'd want more info about the
seller than their word and some questionable sales history.

Cam

Chef Juke wrote:

snip of good analysis

> So in the end, I don't know if it is a total ripoff, or capitalism and
> free market competition at it's best...but I sure would like to SEE
> one of the Komodos to compare for myself....

I agree completely. There is a shape change to what Komodo is doing with
one of their offerings as well. Being a K owner, I say more power to the
K/K guys if they've done a better job with a problematic product.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

Cam wrote:

> Their last sale on Ebay was in January. Take a look at the feedback,
> it is positive but with very sparse sales. Some of the feedback is for
> purchases, a tactic used by some sellers to pump up their scores.

A wise cautionary, to be sure. However, Kamado has placed units on ebay as
well, with the same low feedback. It is an esoteric unit that simply
doesn't have a lot of folks tripping over themselves to make a purchase on
ebay.
--
Dave
Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que
http://davebbq.com/

"Cam" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
> Chef Juke wrote:
> /snip/
>>
>> First off, I've watched these komodos as they've appeared on EBAY.
>> about a year ago (maybe less)
> /snip/
>
> Their last sale on Ebay was in January.


They have two on eBay for sale right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW


Take a look at the feedback, it
> is positive but with very sparse sales. Some of the feedback is for
> purchases, a tactic used by some sellers to pump up their scores.

There's no way on eBay to separate your feedback from your purchases versus
sales, unless you use a different ID. How does one "punp up their scores"
when it is apparent in the eBay feedback listing whether the feedback is
from a buyer or a seller?


None of the sales are recent enough to get transaction details. If I was
> going to drop over 1000 CDN on a cooker I'd want more info about the
> seller than their word and some questionable sales history.
>

If the feedback is listed as being from a "Buyer" and the feedback says
"BBQ" or "Komodo," it probably applies to their one-only product, don't you
think? Besides, you are free to contact any of the buyers through eBay and
ask them about the seller or the product. I do this all the time when I
have questions about a seller.

And what "questionable sales history" do you mean? Do you know how many
they have sold? One, dozens, hundreds? Lots of dissatisfied customers?

This other ceramic cooker seller's last sale was in December '03, and the
seller only has a 98.5% positive rating:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW%3AIT&rd=1

Their ceramic cooker offered for sale last week never even met the reserve
price. Is this "questionable" also? Is this seller to be avoided?

BTW, not affiliated in any way, just glad to see some competition in the
Kult-Kookers.

CSS wrote:
> "Cam" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Their last sale on Ebay was in January.
>
> Take a look at the feedback, it
> > is positive but with very sparse sales. Some of the feedback is for
> > purchases, a tactic used by some sellers to pump up their scores.
>
> There's no way on eBay to separate your feedback from your purchases versus
> sales, unless you use a different ID. How does one "punp up their scores"
> when it is apparent in the eBay feedback listing whether the feedback is
> from a buyer or a seller?
>
> None of the sales are recent enough to get transaction details. If I was
> > going to drop over 1000 CDN on a cooker I'd want more info about the
> > seller than their word and some questionable sales history.
>
> If the feedback is listed as being from a "Buyer" and the feedback says
> "BBQ" or "Komodo," it probably applies to their one-only product, don't you
> think?

Make whatever assumptions you want. You can't view the product because
the history is too old.

>Besides, you are free to contact any of the buyers through eBay and
> ask them about the seller or the product. I do this all the time when I
> have questions about a seller.

So you're saying you that find some transactions questionable? We're a
lot alike.

> And what "questionable sales history" do you mean? Do you know how many
> they have sold? One, dozens, hundreds? Lots of dissatisfied customers?

If they've sold hundreds they're doing it somewhere else. They've only
sold 11 items on ebay, I can't tell what they sold and some of the
buyers were making their first purchases ever. That's questionable as
in; why so few sales? do they sell anywhere else? were they all real
sales to actual people?

> This other ceramic cooker seller's last sale was in December '03, and the
> seller only has a 98.5% positive rating:
> Their ceramic cooker offered for sale last week never even met the reserve
> price. Is this "questionable" also? Is this seller to be avoided?

Good question.

Cam

"Cam" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> CSS wrote:
>> "Cam" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Their last sale on Ebay was in January.


Nice edit job on my post. As I said, they have two for sale on eBay right
now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW


>>
>> Take a look at the feedback, it
>> > is positive but with very sparse sales. Some of the feedback is for
>> > purchases, a tactic used by some sellers to pump up their scores.
>>
>> There's no way on eBay to separate your feedback from your purchases
>> versus
>> sales, unless you use a different ID. How does one "punp up their scores"
>> when it is apparent in the eBay feedback listing whether the feedback is
>> from a buyer or a seller?
>>
>> None of the sales are recent enough to get transaction details. If I was
>> > going to drop over 1000 CDN on a cooker I'd want more info about the
>> > seller than their word and some questionable sales history


>> If the feedback is listed as being from a "Buyer" and the feedback says
>> "BBQ" or "Komodo," it probably applies to their one-only product, don't
>> you
>> think?
>
> Make whatever assumptions you want. You can't view the product because
> the history is too old.
>
>>Besides, you are free to contact any of the buyers through eBay and
>> ask them about the seller or the product. I do this all the time when I
>> have questions about a seller.
>
> So you're saying you that find some transactions questionable? We're a
> lot alike.


I don't find the KamadoKomodo feedback "questionable." As I said, if you
do, you're free to contact any of the buyers if you have questions about
their experience, on any product sold by any seller on eBay. eBay
encourages that and makes it possible, as their system only operates if the
parties trust each other. Anyways, this seems a little better than just
speculating openly on the integrity of a seller in a public forum, don't you
think?

BTW, the KamadoKomodo people also have a website:
http://www.komodokamado.com/

I have contacted them myself with questions last week, and received a prompt
response from the owner, who appears to have researched my questions and
provided appropriate answers.




>> And what "questionable sales history" do you mean? Do you know how many
>> they have sold? One, dozens, hundreds? Lots of dissatisfied customers?
>
> If they've sold hundreds they're doing it somewhere else. They've only
> sold 11 items on ebay, I can't tell what they sold and some of the
> buyers were making their first purchases ever. That's questionable as
> in; why so few sales? do they sell anywhere else? were they all real
> sales to actual people?


As I said, you're free to contact any of the buyers and the sellers. They
also sell online:
http://www.komodokamado.com/

Email them and ask them your questions. Then let us know the responses.


>
>> This other ceramic cooker seller's last sale was in December '03, and the
>> seller only has a 98.5% positive rating:
>> Their ceramic cooker offered for sale last week never even met the
>> reserve
>> price. Is this "questionable" also? Is this seller to be avoided?
>
> Good question.
>

And a rhetorical one. I think we all know the answer...

Chef Juke wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:07:13 -0700, Sonoran Dude
> > wrote:
>
>
> As for the Asbestos issue...well I did see that floating around the
> Kamado forum awhile back...seemed a the time a questionable jab, even
> if the new guys were ripping him off, but I can't SWEAR I saw if
> directly from Richard.
>

> -Chef Juke
> "EVERYbody Eats When They Come To MY House!"
> www.chefjuke.com

Yes Richard himself posted that the formula used in the Komodo cooker
is "known to contain asbestos". He posted an email from someone
allegedly in Dublin Ireland who says his Kamodo cooker exploded. It's
still there. Visit their forum and search on asbestos.

Arlo

"arlo" > wrote in message
>
> Yes Richard himself posted that the formula used in the Komodo cooker
> is "known to contain asbestos".

So what. In the proper form, as in the cooker, it is inert and harmless.
It will not contaminate the food or your air. There is a lot of hysteria
about asbestos, but in use, it is generally harmless. Processing, mining,
is a whole 'nuther story.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

My point was more that it was Richard Johnson who started this rumor,
not the wisdom of using asbestos in a cooker. Cheers!
Arlo

Agree completely... The hysteria surrounding asbestos and other
materials has banned the use of many a useful material. I write this
as I am living through the European Union's RoHS (Reduction of
Hazardous Substances, primarily lead elimination) compliance
requirements.

Thinking about this... is there any evidence that INGESTING asbestos
in small quantities is harmful? Breathing airborne asbestos is bad for
sure... no disagreement there. But would asbestos be all that bad even
if were to be used in a cooker so long as it's held in the maerial?

On 6-Jul-2005, "eelhc" > wrote:

> Agree completely... The hysteria surrounding asbestos and other
> materials has banned the use of many a useful material. I write this
> as I am living through the European Union's RoHS (Reduction of
> Hazardous Substances, primarily lead elimination) compliance
> requirements.
>
> Thinking about this... is there any evidence that INGESTING asbestos
> in small quantities is harmful? Breathing airborne asbestos is bad for
> sure... no disagreement there. But would asbestos be all that bad even
> if were to be used in a cooker so long as it's held in the maerial?

Of course not. Neither is lead dangerous as long as it isn't ingested.
--
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