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can't post my true flame
I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN.
already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. |
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my apologies to those that are not as drunk as I am.
Bruce -n-Gold Beach up till now |
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Ol' Hippie wrote:
> I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN. > already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. > Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? > > Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. Well heck, Bruce... what's got ya steamed? -- Dave Dave's Pit-Smoked Bar-B-Que http://davebbq.com/ |
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Hi Dave
Well to begin with reading too much about this Tsunami, and hearing that UN jerk Jen,Jan Engelund calling us "Stingy" that really got me riled. After a good nights sleep I don't feel like strangling anyone but it still irks me. Feel sort of helpless to do much for those folks over there, except pray. My friend here in Gold Beach has a lot of family and friends in Sri Lanka and he is devastated. I don't have money to send. So I just stew. How are you & the family doing? I assume the joint is probably one of the best spots in town you thinking of a franchise yet? Lord knows we could sure use a good Q joint here, closest one worth a darn is 80 miles away in Coos Bay. -- Bruce-n-G'ganna-n-Gold Beach |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:36:52 -0800, "Ol' Hippie"
> wrote: >I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN. >already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. >Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? > >Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. > I can! I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - PM-the-pm [Our Prime Minister] coughed up $1 million as soon as Canada became aware; then as Canada learned of the scope of the disaster; this was raised to $10 and today to $20 million. In addition to that the citizenry of Canada has raised over $5 million in cash and supplies. That accented ****er is so far up his ass he's crawling on his scrawny scrotum.! America immediately coughed for $10 million - I don't know where they are at now monetarily except their Fleet has been dispatched to provide aid and assistance. WTF has the ****ing UN done except chastise us? I haven't seen any of their task forces being readied to Saddle-up and head-em out! Harry [Normal programming now resumes]. |
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Chef Juke > wrote:
> > In defense of a fellow (at least partially) Norwegian, > Excuse me, Chef, I thought I heard him say that most of us Americans would like our taxes raised so we could give more money away! -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:49:12 GMT, Bob in socal >
wrote: >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" > >wrote: > >>"Bob in socal" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - >>> >>> What he said.... >>> __ >>> >> >>Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos >>with "talking points". >> > >Is that why the guy has been apologizing for two days ? > >Copyright 2004 Associated Press > >"We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich >countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, >really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries >at least how rich we have become." > >Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any >nation in particular. > So maybe you shouldn't be taking it so personally. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" >
wrote: >"Bob in socal" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius >> > wrote: >> >> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - >> >> What he said.... >> __ >> > >Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos >with "talking points". At last, something we both agree on. BTW, you misspelled "talking points." I believe it is spelled "bumper-sticker politics." -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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Jack Curry wrote: > -****it. Politics you want, politics it is- Have a drink, Jack. I'm startin' to worry about ya.<g> -- Fosco Gamgee Whitfurrows and his 6" boner |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:39:13 -0800, "F.G. Whitfurrows"
> wrote: > > >Jack Curry wrote: >> -****it. Politics you want, politics it is- > >Have a drink, Jack. I'm startin' to worry about ya.<g> Nah, it's MY bad. I bit, mainly because, being half-Norwegian, I felt a duty (after reading the direct quotes) to at least correct some mischaracterizations of what the guy said. I should know better than to engage in an off-topic POLITICAL discussion in ANY newsgroup. Usually leads to more gunk being thrown around than is neccessary. For the record: I think everyone should help out everyone else to the best of their ability, when they can. In the cases of disasters, I have a tendency to help those I have a connection with when applicable, or the agency that seems most interested and able to get real help to the people who need it. Again, when I can. Yesterday morning I received an email from a fellow who worked with me a few years back. He lives in Paris now, but had often told me of his teen-early 20's years when he lived in a community near Pondicherry, India. He told me of the reports he had gotten from his friends who still live in the community and what they are doing to help with disaster relief. http://www.auroville.org/crisis.htm I made a donation to their organization based on my connection through my friend and his assurances that the $$ will go right to direct relief to people who need it. I dunno...if asked, I would tell most folks that I work hard for my $$, but at the same time I realize that, compared to many, what I do is NOT considered hard work. It sure isn't HARD labor (that is evident in one look at my waistline). While I fall into what most folks in this country would consider "middle class", I am aware that I sure can afford a lot of unnecessary things..(like cable TV, Internet Access, Digital cameras, etc...none of which are one of the four basic food groups last I checked). and so, at any rate, I think I can spare not buying a latte or two for a while and send the $$ to someone in need. Whether it's an AFB'er who loses their house or an unknown Indian villager who has just had their life turned upside down by a Tsunami. I've been blessed with a pretty comfortable life and try to take the opportunities to share my good fortune when they arise. And I think that an official in the arena of humanitarian aid giving a dig at the rich countries in the world (of which he considered his own to be) to try to get them to be more giving isn't necessarily a bad thing. Your mileage may vary. -Chef Juke "EVERYbody Eats When They Come To MY House!" www.chefjuke.com |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote: >On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:36:52 -0800, "Ol' Hippie" > wrote: > >>I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN. >>already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. >>Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? >> >>Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. >> >I can! > >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > >PM-the-pm [Our Prime Minister] coughed up $1 million as soon as >Canada became aware; then as Canada learned of the scope of the >disaster; this was raised to $10 and today to $20 million. In >addition to that the citizenry of Canada has raised over $5 million in >cash and supplies. That accented ****er is so far up his ass he's >crawling on his scrawny scrotum.! > >America immediately coughed for $10 million - I don't know where they >are at now monetarily except their Fleet has been dispatched to >provide aid and assistance. > >WTF has the ****ing UN done except chastise us? I haven't seen any of >their task forces being readied to Saddle-up and head-em out! > >Harry >[Normal programming now resumes]. Canada Government pledge is now up to 40 million [ matches that of Amercica, but there's only 33 million of us up here] . . . Harry **** that GD UN Jerk-off, and the syphilitic horse he rode in on. !!!! |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote: >On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:36:52 -0800, "Ol' Hippie" > wrote: > >>I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN. >>already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. >>Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? >> >>Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. >> >I can! > >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > >PM-the-pm [Our Prime Minister] coughed up $1 million as soon as >Canada became aware; then as Canada learned of the scope of the >disaster; this was raised to $10 and today to $20 million. In >addition to that the citizenry of Canada has raised over $5 million in >cash and supplies. That accented ****er is so far up his ass he's >crawling on his scrawny scrotum.! > >America immediately coughed for $10 million - I don't know where they >are at now monetarily except their Fleet has been dispatched to >provide aid and assistance. > >WTF has the ****ing UN done except chastise us? I haven't seen any of >their task forces being readied to Saddle-up and head-em out! > >Harry >[Normal programming now resumes]. Canada Government pledge is now up to 40 million [ matches that of Amercica, but there's only 33 million of us up here] . . . Harry **** that GD UN Jerk-off, and the syphilitic horse he rode in on. !!!! |
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"Duwop" > wrote:
> "Bob in socal" > wrote in message > > Harry Demidavicius > wrote: > > > > >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > > > > What he said.... > > > Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos > with "talking points". Englewhateverhisnameis complete statement was on C-SPAN. I'm with Harry. -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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http://www.sciammind.com/article.cfm...6983414B7F0000 -- Mike Willsey http://groups.msn.com/ThePracticalBa...ewwelcome.msnw Oxfam GB is a development, relief, and campaigning organization that works with others to find lasting solutions to poverty and suffering around the world. http://www.oxfam.org.uk/about_us/index.htm Throughout the world, Operation Smile volunteers repair childhood facial deformities while building public and private partnerships that advocate for sustainable healthcare systems for children and families. Together, we create smiles, change lives, heal humanity. http://www.operationsmile.org/ |
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Scientific American Mind December 2004 Issue Secret Powers Everywhere Conspiracy theories offer attractively simple explanations for a chaotic world. So we must be careful about what we believe By Thomas Grüter President John F. Kennedy wasn't assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald; he was actually murdered by the CIA because he opposed the agency's unauthorized operations. Princess Diana didn't simply die in a car crash because the driver was fleeing from paparazzi; the royal family played a role because they didn't want Diana to inherit power or wealth. And when you see high-flying jet fighters leaving contrails in their wake, that's not just a physical effect of hot emissions in cold, humid air; the aircraft are spraying fine droplets--chemtrails--over the public, sometimes experimental infections or poisons, perhaps vaccines. Conspiracy theories have thrived for centuries, and the Internet has accelerated their dissemination. Chemtrail believers have posted several Web sites to warn people of current threats. And the British Broadcasting Corporation has identified more than 36,000 sites providing myths and legends about Lady Di's fatal accident in 1997. Why do people go to great lengths to try to prove that secret powers are orchestrating everything from the spread of diseases to the death of famous people? And do those who believe the theories merely have overactive imaginations, or is something else going on in their heads? Borderline Sanity Most individuals who revel in tales of conspiracies are sane, even if they border on delusional. Psychiatrists label someone delusional when he has a false view of reality and holds onto that view with subjective certainty. Arguments and clear evidence against the delusion will not shake the person. This steadfastness can take several forms. In relational delusions, an individual sees all the people, events and objects around him as connected to him. He believes the window display in the store on the corner is sending him a message or that a certain newspaper article was meant for him alone. In persecution delusions, the individual thinks others are eavesdropping on him, watching him, chasing him. Politicians often promote conspiracy theories to defame an opponent as evil or manipulative, responsible for all kinds of terrible deeds. Whatever the delusion, therapists often cannot tell if an apparently crazy idea is or is not based in reality. And to some degree, it doesn't matter. A diagnosis of delusional disorder is made primarily on the way a patient presents the idea and his absolute certainty about events that will fall out from it. Still, therapists must be cautious. It is possible, after all, that a patient is really being harassed at work, that her spouse is cheating on her, or that her business partner is defrauding her. Therapists must also be careful to not mislabel facts as delusions, a trap known as the Martha Mitchell effect. Martha Mitchell was the wife of former U.S. attorney general John Mitchell. In October 1972 he was accused of having ordered the break-in at the Democratic campaign headquarters in the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. Mrs. Mitchell repeatedly told the press that her husband was being made a scapegoat to protect the real culprit--President Richard M. Nixon. The White House spread disinformation about Mrs. Mitchell, saying she had a drinking problem and implying that her statements were delusional. When the scandal was ultimately unraveled, Mrs. Mitchell's statements were proved true and she was shown to be utterly sane. Vicious Cycle of Prejudice The many successful books and television shows about "what really happened" at Watergate or "who really killed" JFK prove that people are readily attracted to conspiracy theories. But why? One basic answer is that the theories promote a simple message. Whatever has happened, there is a single force--usually an evil one--behind it. Humans tend to drastically simplify complicated issues, reducing them to a lone cause whenever possible. This exercise brings order out of chaos; it makes a complex world intelligible. And once a person believes he understands how something works, he holds fast to this belief. Trust in a secret master plan created by a powerful organization offers simple cause-and-effect relationships that build along a linear chain of events. Chance and ambiguity have no role, which is comforting even in the face of sinister forces. Conspiracies are especially likely to become popular when they feed already existing prejudices or superstitions. Belief in the conspiracy reinforces these positions. In this vicious cycle, any connection to reality is rapidly lost. And if the theory confirms suspicions long held by many people, the number of adherents will grow. One good though repulsive example is the accusation, made at various times in history since the Middle Ages, that Jews sacrifice Christian children in secret rituals. This myth originated with a British Benedictine monk, Thomas of Monmouth. In his book The Life and Miracles of St. William of Norwich, published in 1173, Thomas reported on the death of a 12-year-old boy. Using the flimsiest of evidence, he claimed the boy was the victim of ritual murder by Jews. This libel was reiterated repeatedly until well into the 19th century. Anti-Semitic writings and falsified documents such as The Talmud Jew, published by theologian August Rohling in 1871, later lent a pseudoscientific air to the legend. These false accusations and similar ones helped to fuel anti-Semitism throughout the 20th century and into the present day. Roots of Mistrust People seem especially willing to accept such radical tales if they spring from a general mistrust of other people. In 1994 Ted Goertzel of Rutgers University conducted a study in which subjects read 10 conspiratorial legends and were then asked which they found credible. The majority said at least one of the conspiracies was correct, and many of them accepted several as true. For example, half of the participants believed that the Japanese were conspiring to destroy the American economy. More interesting, though, Goertzel revealed that dissatisfied people were more likely than satisfied people to believe any of the conspiracies. The subjects who were especially susceptible also tended to have the greatest distrust of politicians and government officials. Racial self-identification may play a role, too. A large proportion of African-Americans in the study believed the U.S. government had created the AIDS virus in secret laboratories and had deliberately infected black people. This belief may have had roots that the participants were not even consciously aware of. In 1932 in the town of Tuskegee, Ala., researchers from the forerunner of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began a notorious study of almost 400 African-American men who had syphilis. Rather than give an honest diagnosis, the researchers simply told the men that medical reports indicated they had "bad blood"--a term used at that time for a range of disorders from anemia to chronic fatigue syndrome. The researchers offered these desperate and poor men free treatment and even volunteered to cover their funeral expenses if needed. In reality, the clinicians wanted to examine the course of untreated syphilis--to its end point, death. Even after penicillin became widely available in 1947--a drug that could have cured these patients--the study continued. Many of the subjects died, but not before infecting others. The men were treated as human guinea pigs. Remarkably, the project went on until 1972, when journalist Jean Heller discovered the plot. Three months later the federal government declared the work unethical and broke it off. A court awarded the participants or their families $9 million in compensation as well as free health care. None of the researchers or administrators responsible were criminally tried, however. It was not until May 1997 that President Bill Clinton officially apologized to the eight remaining survivors. This history, and other stories like it, may well have fueled the widespread acceptance among African-Americans in Goertzel's study that the U.S. government conspired to inflict AIDS on members of their race. This real-life cover-up may also be the reason many blacks still distrust the CDC's current efforts to prevent and treat AIDS nationally. Poisoned Minds A conspiracy theory need not have its roots in a real event, however. Completely invented incidents are good enough, if they are believable. In politics, bogus conspiracy theories are often used to defame an opponent as evil or manipulative. Throughout human history, rulers have depicted their nemeses as conspirators responsible for all kinds of terrible deeds. In the first century A.D., the Roman emperor Nero spread the rumor that the Christians had set Rome on fire. In the Middle Ages, organized massacres of Jews were set off when Russian leaders leveled bizarre, utterly imaginary accusations at them. One of the most successful, and most evil, examples is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This book, apparently published by Russian czar Nicholas II's secret police around 1897, laid out a conspiracy by Jews and Freemasons to take over the world. The forged document accused both groups of being responsible for the French Revolution as well as the rise of socialism and anarchism--in short, everything that monarchists and nationalists in the late 19th and early 20th century feared. The Protocols strongly influenced public opinion in many other countries. From the very beginning people questioned the validity of the Protocols, but that did nothing to slow their dissemination. Paradoxically, the arguments against their reliability strengthened belief in the existence of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy bent on discrediting them. The text appeared again and again in new guises, most of them accompanied by other anti-Semitic tracts. Among other things, the text served as an important source of Nazi ideology and was embraced by Adolf Hitler. It was even put on the assigned reading list in German schools starting in 1935. Today the Protocols is especially widespread in Arab countries, poisoning the minds of readers there. Conspiracy theories provide political manipulators with justification for using any conceivable method to destroy their rivals. The notorious U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations chaired by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the early 1950s sought hidden communists everywhere in the U.S.--and of course found them. One denunciation was enough to "prove" an individual was a communist--as was a person's refusal to name others who were supposedly communists, too. Almost 10,000 people lost their jobs because of untrue, sometimes extorted, accusations. Those pushing the theory of a massive communist conspiracy saw their ideas splendidly confirmed by these results. Dictators and tyrants, in order to surround themselves with an army of abettors who will serve them without question, constantly invent new conspiracies against their regimes. And because their supposed opponents act in secret, they can be anywhere or everywhere, so constant alertness is mandatory. This is how autocrats justify their repressive security systems. Furthermore, because dictatorial regimes, in the eyes of their supporters, are always right, any problems they encounter must be the work of conspirators rather than mistakes. Even democratic societies invent or are lured into attractive tales. Many writers and publishers released "exposés" after the September 11 attacks that placed blame on all kinds of factions. Some even claimed the attacks were carried out by the CIA. The proponents of these accusations cast doubt on the official version of events and instead proposed alternative explanations, using anonymous "experts" on the Internet as their sources. Some went so far as to say that American secret agents crashed the two passenger jets into the World Trade Center by remote control. And because the agents knew the impact might not be enough to topple the towers, they had the buildings' structural elements blown out at the same moment. Why? So America the superpower could use the tragedy to justify its military operations in the Middle East. Those operations themselves were proof enough of the setup. Politicians often promote conspiracy theories to defame an opponent as evil or manipulative, responsible for all kinds of terrible deeds. This logic--a reversal of cause and effect--is a hallmark of conspiracy theory thinking. Events occurring now--such as the "war on terrorism," which is in large part a reaction to the attack on the World Trade Center--are used as evidence to prove that the current actions had already been planned far in advance. Conspiracy theorists can scarcely imagine that history might have played out any other way. Interpreting Signs Inside their cocoons of imputed motives and machinations, the authors of conspiracy theories also create their own defense systems. Their reputations depend on their ability to defend their theories against all attackers. A chief tactic is the claim of absolute insight. In ancient societies, unique insight was drawn from oracles and omens. The ability to read signs was also the foundation of priestly power. Only these select few were able to read secret runes or interpret the entrails of sacrificed animals and therefore explain the will of the gods. Society's willingness to put on pedestals people who can interpret such veiled knowledge persists even in today's fact-based culture. Sherlock Holmes, the fictional forefather of modern detectives, could solve crimes from just a handful of clues. Doctors diagnose internal disorders on the basis of exterior signs of illness. Astronomers can explain both the beginning and end of the universe simply from what they see in the night sky. Because conspiracies by definition operate in the shadows, only those in the know can understand them. That elevates conspiracy theorists to the status of prophets and satisfies their emotional need for importance. And they can always count on support, because their interpretations feed the needs or prejudices of many people. Conspiracy theories tell us a lot about their believers' imagined enemies, their fears and prejudices, and as a result can be useful in documenting contemporary history. In today's world, which so many people find overwhelmingly complicated, a simple explanation is all the more attractive. It may well be that the first years of the 21st century are a boom time for belief in conspiracies. © 1996-2004 Scientific American, Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. -- Mike Willsey http://groups.msn.com/ThePracticalBa...ewwelcome.msnw Oxfam GB is a development, relief, and campaigning organization that works with others to find lasting solutions to poverty and suffering around the world. http://www.oxfam.org.uk/about_us/index.htm Throughout the world, Operation Smile volunteers repair childhood facial deformities while building public and private partnerships that advocate for sustainable healthcare systems for children and families. Together, we create smiles, change lives, heal humanity. http://www.operationsmile.org/ |
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"Bob in socal" >
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" > > wrote: > > >"Bob in socal" > wrote in message > >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius > >> > >> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > >> > >> What he said.... > >> __ > >> > > > >Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos > >with "talking points". > > > > Is that why the guy has been apologizing for two days ? > > Copyright 2004 Associated Press > > "We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich > countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, > really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries > at least how rich we have become." > > Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any > nation in particular. > EXACTLY! And, in his apology (which was only because of misdirected furor started by some PAID entertainers) he pointed out its his JOB to ask for more money. He was talking to ALL 1st world countries, why some want to take it so personal and become so angry about this is beyond me. If you want to get this angry, get angry about something people are doing to actually harm you and yours and their children too, like the EPA chief, or the Superfund honcho. I suppose it is easier to let someone else do your outrage for ya though isnt it? Which talking head was playing this up anyway? Savage? D OUT! |
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"Harry Demidavicius" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius > > wrote: > > >On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:36:52 -0800, "Ol' Hippie" > > wrote: > > > >>I won't bother my friend here with how ****ed I am at the UN. > >>already sent Jen Engelend a message as well as let George W & Cheney. > >>Anyone know how to vent in someone's ear how I REALLY feel? > >> > >>Bruce, my feelings only G'ganna has nothing to do with this. > >> > >I can! > > > >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > > > >PM-the-pm [Our Prime Minister] coughed up $1 million as soon as > >Canada became aware; then as Canada learned of the scope of the > >disaster; this was raised to $10 and today to $20 million. In > >addition to that the citizenry of Canada has raised over $5 million in > >cash and supplies. That accented ****er is so far up his ass he's > >crawling on his scrawny scrotum.! > > > >America immediately coughed for $10 million - I don't know where they > >are at now monetarily except their Fleet has been dispatched to > >provide aid and assistance. > > > >WTF has the ****ing UN done except chastise us? I haven't seen any of > >their task forces being readied to Saddle-up and head-em out! > > > >Harry > >[Normal programming now resumes]. > > Canada Government pledge is now up to 40 million [ matches that of > Amercica, but there's only 33 million of us up here] . . . > > Harry > > **** that GD UN Jerk-off, and the syphilitic horse he rode in on. > !!!! Hey, slow down on that coffee. |
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"Duwop" > wrote in message ... > "Bob in socal" > > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" > > > wrote: > > > > >"Bob in socal" > wrote in message > > >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius > > > >> > > >> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > > >> > > >> What he said.... > > >> __ > > >> > > > > > >Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos > > >with "talking points". > > > > > > > Is that why the guy has been apologizing for two days ? > > > > Copyright 2004 Associated Press > > > > "We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich > > countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, > > really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries > > at least how rich we have become." > > > > Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any > > nation in particular. > > > > EXACTLY! And, in his apology (which was only because of misdirected furor > started by some PAID entertainers) he pointed out its his JOB to ask for > more money. He was talking to ALL 1st world countries, why some want to take > it so personal and become so angry about this is beyond me. > > If you want to get this angry, get angry about something people are doing to > actually harm you and yours and their children too, like the EPA chief, or > the Superfund honcho. > > I suppose it is easier to let someone else do your outrage for ya though > isnt it? > > Which talking head was playing this up anyway? Savage? > > D > > OUT! > > So, as I see it, whenever some paleocon talking head twists the truth in order to sell advertising space on his show, the mindless minions who follow his (her) kind of idiocy swallow it hook, line and sinker without doing any actual thinking about what has been said. That is what allows the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and Norvilles to get away with spewing their particular kind of vitriol. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:59:18 GMT, Bob in socal >
wrote: >Hold on Harry, it gets better....... >http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...eut/index.html So what's your point? A link does not an argument make. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:59:18 GMT, Bob in socal > > wrote: > > >>Hold on Harry, it gets better....... >>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...eut/index.html > > > So what's your point? A link does not an argument make. > Especially since the contents of the link would apparently undermine his own stated position. Matthew -- Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game You can't win You can't break even You can't get out of the game |
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Brick wrote:
> > > Everybody seems to conveniently forget that the President can neither > wage war beyond the first 30 days nor can he allocate funds for foreign > aid beyone a relatively small emergency fund. If you want to blame > somebody, single out those 535 or so pricks in Congress. Only they > can send your friends and loved ones to war and only they can spend > your money. How anybody can imagine that the President of the United > States actually runs the country is beyond me. > Most people know that the executive branch has broad discretion as to how it can spend the money appropriated by those 535 "pricks". The Department of State, alone, could have found $100 million or more. Add what the Department of Commerce and other departments with money available for such use, $200 million is probably an easy number to reach. There is also nothing keeping GWB from calling those 535 "pricks" back into session if he felt he needed more funding. If GWB and his handlers would just count the number of muslims that would benefit from substantial, immediate aid, they might figure out that there is more than one way to fight the war on terror. Matthew -- Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game You can't win You can't break even You can't get out of the game |
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Brick wrote:
> > > Everybody seems to conveniently forget that the President can neither > wage war beyond the first 30 days nor can he allocate funds for foreign > aid beyone a relatively small emergency fund. If you want to blame > somebody, single out those 535 or so pricks in Congress. Only they > can send your friends and loved ones to war and only they can spend > your money. How anybody can imagine that the President of the United > States actually runs the country is beyond me. > Most people know that the executive branch has broad discretion as to how it can spend the money appropriated by those 535 "pricks". The Department of State, alone, could have found $100 million or more. Add what the Department of Commerce and other departments with money available for such use, $200 million is probably an easy number to reach. There is also nothing keeping GWB from calling those 535 "pricks" back into session if he felt he needed more funding. If GWB and his handlers would just count the number of muslims that would benefit from substantial, immediate aid, they might figure out that there is more than one way to fight the war on terror. Matthew -- Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game You can't win You can't break even You can't get out of the game |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" >
wrote: >"Bob in socal" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius >> > wrote: >> >> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - >> >> What he said.... >> __ >> > >Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos >with "talking points". Errm - the radio whacko with 'talking points' whom I heard was the UN Asshole himself - on CBC TV . . . . BTW, since that post Canada's Gov't has raised the Country's contribution to $40 million, Ontario dumped in $5 million and a bunch of people to help and the 'unwashed masses' have added a further $5 million. Harry |
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"Harry Demidavicius" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:22:27 -0800, "Duwop" > > wrote: > > >"Bob in socal" > wrote in message > .. . > >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:25:58 GMT, Harry Demidavicius > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >I am also seriously ****ed at that UN asshole - > >> > >> What he said.... > >> __ > >> > > > >Well, maybe read Jukes post then and not just listening to radio whackos > >with "talking points". > > Errm - the radio whacko with 'talking points' whom I heard was the UN > Asshole himself - on CBC TV . . . . > > BTW, since that post Canada's Gov't has raised the Country's > contribution to $40 million, Ontario dumped in $5 million and a bunch > of people to help and the 'unwashed masses' have added a further $5 > million. > > Harry I don't think Canada was the specific subject of criticism, Harry. Maybe you took this too personally. Jack -Many of us just want to do the right thing- |
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"Harry Demidavicius" > wrote in message
> Errm - the radio whacko with 'talking points' whom I heard was the UN > Asshole himself - on CBC TV . . . . > And that got you so miffed? His mild chiding to "western nations"? You claim you had no other contributions to your distress? None? That milquetoast mannered diplomat ****ed you off that badly all by hisself did he? > BTW, since that post Canada's Gov't has raised the Country's > contribution to $40 million, Ontario dumped in $5 million and a bunch > of people to help and the 'unwashed masses' have added a further $5 > million. > Well, mebbe it (the mild chiding) worked? ;D Like he said, it is his job to raise funds for this sort of thing. *At the time* many initial responses were pretty tepid. And I'm pretty sure I remember another of his ilk saying the *exact same thing* after the last large natural disaster of this type a few years ago. Did you get as angry that time too? If not, why? And why are so many others so damn angry about this? I just dont gettit. And you'll excuse me if I wonder if its not related to some North American faction wanting to discredit the UN at every turn. |
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"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in message > You snipped the other facts in my post. I wonder why? > >> "The newspaper also urged Bush to make good on U.S. relief pledges and >> noted that U.S. relief for the Bam, Iran earthquake a year ago still has >> not been delivered". >> >> I guess that would mean that Bush has made the USA a welcher as well as a >> miser when it comes to disaster aid. > > Matthew Because I don' t know the facts of it. What was the original schedule or commitment? Is Bush holding it up or Congress or some other entity? If you have accurate information on this, please post it so we can make an informed decision and comment. I don't deal with hearsay, just facts. Post them, please. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:07 -0800, "Duwop" >
wrote: >"Harry Demidavicius" > wrote in message > >> Errm - the radio whacko with 'talking points' whom I heard was the UN >> Asshole himself - on CBC TV . . . . >> > >And that got you so miffed? His mild chiding to "western nations"? You claim >you had no other contributions to your distress? None? That milquetoast >mannered diplomat ****ed you off that badly all by hisself did he? Yes he/that chiding did. I apologize for sounding off as it is not my style, but that person really got to me - WTF did he think he was? He didn't appeal for the World to quickly step up to the plate - he just said we were a bunch of cheapskates. Canada, who has been paying its assessment into the UN and supporting its many projects, was in the process of reacting progressively more quickly as the scope of this Worst Natural Disaster of several centuries became more evident. > >Well, mebbe it (the mild chiding) worked? ;D > Obviously not for me Duwop. As to my Government, I don't think they gave a Rat's Ass to this Jerks 'chidings'. >Like he said, it is his job to raise funds for this sort of thing. *At the >time* many initial responses were pretty tepid. And I'm pretty sure I >remember another of his ilk saying the *exact same thing* after the last >large natural disaster of this type a few years ago. Did you get as angry >that time too? If not, why? Is this a test or what? Quit pushing Duwop . . . Today is not the Day. We'll have a civilized debate in a month or twenty. OK? >And why are so many others so damn angry about this? I just dont gettit. And >you'll excuse me if I wonder if its not related to some North American >faction wanting to discredit the UN at every turn. It's related to some Jerk walking into my Living Room, ****ing on my rug and wondering why I'm desirous to boot his ass. Sorry for the flare-up, folks. It's been a bad month around here and this Jerk's critcism when my Country is doing us proud and our family is holding a survivor watch, is not on. I'm done now and Normal Programming will resume. Harry > > |
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"Harry Demidavicius" > wrote in message ... > > It's related to some Jerk walking into my Living Room, ****ing on my > rug and wondering why I'm desirous to boot his ass. > Great "Big Lebowski" re-set! -Banjo |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:07 -0800, "Duwop" >
wrote: >And >you'll excuse me if I wonder if its not related to some North American >faction wanting to discredit the UN at every turn. A-yup. Spot on. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:12:59 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote: >Sorry for the flare-up, folks. It's been a bad month around here and >this Jerk's critcism when my Country is doing us proud and our family >is holding a survivor watch, is not on. Harry, I'm not sure what a survivor watch is, but it doesn't sound good. I'm sorry to hear that you and your family are having troubles. Keep your chin up. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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Piedmont > wrote:
> Scientific American Mind > December 2004 Issue > > Secret Powers Everywhere >[] Excellent and timely article, Mike. No more OT than a lot of stuff we've (almost) all been posting here recently. Thanks for reproducing it! °~) "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me!" -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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"Brick" > wrote:
> [ . . . ] > Everybody seems to conveniently forget that the President can neither > wage war beyond the first 30 days nor can he allocate funds for foreign > aid beyone a relatively small emergency fund. If you want to blame > somebody, single out those 535 or so pricks in Congress. Only they > can send your friends and loved ones to war and only they can spend > your money. How anybody can imagine that the President of the United > States actually runs the country is beyond me. I ****in' love ya, Brick. Happy New Year, ya ol' bastid ! ! ! °~))) -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> [] > Get the facts and save yourself some ulcers. My mind's made up. Don't bother me with no stinkin' facts! -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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Here's more mixing politics with humanitarian aid that is incredible:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/m...20041231.shtml > wrote in message ... > Piedmont > wrote: >> Scientific American Mind >> December 2004 Issue >> >> Secret Powers Everywhere >>[] > Excellent and timely article, Mike. No more OT than a lot of stuff we've > (almost) all been posting here recently. Thanks for reproducing it! °~) > > "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me!" > > -- > Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web > site of the Center for International Disaster Information > http://www.cidi.org/ > Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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"Duwop" > wrote:
> [] . . . I wonder if its not related to some North > American faction wanting to discredit the UN at every turn. Shhh. We are part of a secret conspiracy to destroy World Peace and replace it with . . . that's all I can say publicly. -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote: >[] > You snipped the other facts in my post. I wonder why? > Shhh. Edwin Pawlowski is part of our conspiracy, too! -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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Harry Demidavicius > wrote:
> [ . . . ] > Sorry for the flare-up, folks. It's been a bad month around here and > this Jerk's critcism when my Country is doing us proud and our family > is holding a survivor watch, is not on. I have to say, Harry, that I'm proud of your government for a change, too. I've always been proud of the Canadian people, especially for refusing, en masse, to register their guns! > > I'm done now and Normal Programming will resume. > OK. I hope your survivor watch turns out well. -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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"HS" > wrote:
> Here's more mixing politics with humanitarian aid that is incredible: > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/m...20041231.shtml > > > wrote in message > ... > > Piedmont > wrote: > >> Scientific American Mind > >> December 2004 Issue > >> > >> Secret Powers Everywhere > >>[] > > Excellent and timely article, Mike. No more OT than a lot of stuff > > we've (almost) all been posting here recently. Thanks for reproducing > > it! °~) > > > > "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me!" > > Another excellent and timely article. Thanks for pointing me to it, HS. -- Nick. To find out more about helping with tsunami relief, go to the web site of the Center for International Disaster Information http://www.cidi.org/ Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops! You are not forgotten. Thanks. |
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