"Shawn Martin" wrote in message
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On 3/22/2012 12:28 PM, wrote:
On 20-Mar-2012, "Steve wrote:

Water burns off as it simmers.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Water burns. I guess I learn something new every day.

What btu does it give off in this burning process?

Steve

(anxious to know some new physics information)

Steve

You want to see water burn, just dump some on burning
magnesium. Spectacular.


Or plain old phosphorus.

Or simply remove the protective water shield from white
phosphorous............

Steve

wrote:

Brick does use an offset, but also has a bullet smoker not unlike
the WSM except mine is gas fired. Before the burner rusted out, I
filled the water pan with sand and covered it with foil. If/when I find
a new burner (I lost my link to all kinds of round burners) I'll likely
use wadded foil instead of sand. Don't need no effing heatsink, just
a grease catcher..

I knew I'd forgotten *something* recently-thx for the clear-up. It's
funny how Qers as a group seem to hold on fast to their old unused
equipment. Taking my old ECB to the dump was like unto a funeral.

monroe(fire control DOES trump heatsinkery)

On 23-Mar-2012, "monroe, of course" wrote:

wrote:

Brick does use an offset, but also has a bullet smoker not unlike
the WSM except mine is gas fired. Before the burner rusted out, I
filled the water pan with sand and covered it with foil. If/when I find
a new burner (I lost my link to all kinds of round burners) I'll likely
use wadded foil instead of sand. Don't need no effing heatsink, just
a grease catcher..

I knew I'd forgotten *something* recently-thx for the clear-up. It's
funny how Qers as a group seem to hold on fast to their old unused
equipment. Taking my old ECB to the dump was like unto a funeral.

monroe(fire control DOES trump heatsinkery)

Ditto that. My Coleman vertical smoker is circa 1980 and except
for the burner is still going strong.

--
Brick(Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
then to speak up and remove all doubt)

On 23-Mar-2012, Sqwertz wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:28:02 GMT, wrote:

You want to see water burn, just dump some on burning
magnesium. Spectacular.

I took some magnesium motorcycle engine part(s) - I forget which -
and I lit up the Twin Lakes beach next to Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk.
It burned for over an hour. It was practically daylight from 2-3 AM
and it attracted a few too many spectators (oops) making shadows
against the cliff walls.

2 hours in jail, no charges, and very worth it.

-sw

I once lived near a Bendix Aviation plant where they machined a
lot of magnesium parts producing truckloads of shavings. They got
rid of the shavings by burning them in an open field while stirring
the pile with a fire hose. I'm not sure of the science, but I think
the burning magnesium actually decomposes water into it's basic
elements which then feed the blaze with atomic fury. Suffice it to
say that you cannot extinguish a magnesium fire with water.

--
Brick(Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
then to speak up and remove all doubt)

You want to see water burn, just dump some on burning
magnesium. Spectacular.

Just where is that "Barbecueing with Liquid Oxygen" when you need it?
............ Ah, there it is .........



IIRC, George Gobel (not known if it is THAT George Gobel or not), original
event was in 1995. Fire department declined their request to do it a second
time. Seems like forgiveness is easier to get than permission, and FD was
pretty PO'd when they heard about the first annual event, and them not being
called.

Hey, what the heck. No children or small farm animals were injured during
filming. At least not permanently.

Steve

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:04:44 -0700, "Kent"
wrote:

I have the late model Weber Smokey Mtn. It has a very large water pan. When
full, and you have it to a simmer it will maintain a 225F temp for at least
6 hours without touching it.

I have that unit also. Except that I have sand (covered with foil) in
the 'water pan'. I have no problem maintaining a normal smoking temp
(250 is what I usually run, though for fowls I prefer more like 300)
for hours--won't say a number 'cause I've not timed it for 'how long
can I go'.

The main factor in temp control isn't 'what's in the pan'--it's the
vents. And keeping from going high early, as it's a lot harder to
'tune down' than to 'tune up'.

But Kent--we know you're not going to take anyone's word. So.
Try putting clean (sold as 'playground' or 'sandbox' sand at HD or
Lowe's or such) sand in the water pan, filled about 2/3 or so full,
then use wide HD foil to cover it and create a drip pan above the
sand.

Until you've actually done a couple or more smokes this way, you're
speaking from pure ignorance. Not that you seem to mind doing so.

Denny Wheeler wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:04:44 -0700, "Kent"
wrote:

I have the late model Weber Smokey Mtn. It has a very large water
pan. When full, and you have it to a simmer it will maintain a 225F
temp for at least 6 hours without touching it.

I have that unit also. Except that I have sand (covered with foil) in
the 'water pan'. I have no problem maintaining a normal smoking temp
(250 is what I usually run, though for fowls I prefer more like 300)
for hours--won't say a number 'cause I've not timed it for 'how long
can I go'.

The main factor in temp control isn't 'what's in the pan'--it's the
vents. And keeping from going high early, as it's a lot harder to
'tune down' than to 'tune up'.

But Kent--we know you're not going to take anyone's word. So.
Try putting clean (sold as 'playground' or 'sandbox' sand at HD or
Lowe's or such) sand in the water pan, filled about 2/3 or so full,
then use wide HD foil to cover it and create a drip pan above the
sand.

Until you've actually done a couple or more smokes this way, you're
speaking from pure ignorance. Not that you seem to mind doing so.

+1

--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."......
Robert Heinlein

"Denny Wheeler" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:04:44 -0700, "Kent"
wrote:

I have the late model Weber Smokey Mtn. It has a very large water pan.
When
full, and you have it to a simmer it will maintain a 225F temp for at
least
6 hours without touching it.

I have that unit also. Except that I have sand (covered with foil) in
the 'water pan'. I have no problem maintaining a normal smoking temp
(250 is what I usually run, though for fowls I prefer more like 300)
for hours--won't say a number 'cause I've not timed it for 'how long
can I go'.

The main factor in temp control isn't 'what's in the pan'--it's the
vents. And keeping from going high early, as it's a lot harder to
'tune down' than to 'tune up'.

But Kent--we know you're not going to take anyone's word. So.
Try putting clean (sold as 'playground' or 'sandbox' sand at HD or
Lowe's or such) sand in the water pan, filled about 2/3 or so full,
then use wide HD foil to cover it and create a drip pan above the
sand.

Until you've actually done a couple or more smokes this way, you're
speaking from pure ignorance. Not that you seem to mind doing so.


Thank you Denny. I was speaking theoretically about heat transfer. I'm
going to take your advice and do it.

I have several complaints about the newer WSM.
1. The size of the water pan is good for providing a stable heat
temperature. However you can't tend the charcoal or wood on the side
opposite the pan. You can't see past the water pan. I understand some have
used a Brinkmann pan to solve that.
2. You have to lift the body of the WSM off and lift the base to get the
ashes on the bottom into something for disposal. I'm spoiled because I have
the Weber One Touch and it's very easy to clean out charcoal ash. I've
looked unsuccesssfully at HD and restaurant supply places trying to find a
foil or metal pan that would lie under the bottom grate. They could have
addressed this when they redesigned.
3. There are no handles on the body to lift it off.

Kent