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I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two
posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you see there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy in life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. -- regards, piedmont (michael) The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ (mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 |
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On May 10, 5:56*am, "piedmont" > wrote:
> > But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for > the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. > *-- No, no. Want to thank you, I learned a new word combo. On my own I would never have thought to use those two words together that way. In real life I like to keep them apart, ya know? At least you didn't go baiting trolls like Marty did. |
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It isn't unusual for Squirts to go off his meds. A couple of years
ago he announced that he knew my barbecue "tasted like shit" even though I had never allowed him to tasted any. He may have some kind of remote sensors, though. When I challenged him and laughed at the idea he knew how my barbecue tasted, he unleashed a lot of profane filth wrapped around some school girl insults. I was surprised to see you get caught up in that. What bothered me about your post was not the language or profanity, or even whether or not what you said about Steve was true, but the grammar: "because you a stupid low life ****ing dick sucker jerk wad" So many problems with that sentence... It should read: "Because you are a low life ****ing dick sucker and a jerk wad as well." Please be more considerate with your responses in the future. Bad grammar hurts. ;^) !!!!! Robert |
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wrote: > What bothered me about your post was not the language or profanity, or > even whether or not what you said about Steve was true, but the > grammar: > > "because you a stupid low life ****ing dick sucker jerk wad" > > So many problems with that sentence... > Oh, missed that one. I was referring to this one (asshole cocksucker, interesting combo) . This one's interesting as it's meaing changes with the simple addition of a comma, changing the placement of the comma is fun too. > **** you stupid asshole cocksucker Can become: ****, you stupid asshole cocksucker **** you, stupid asshole cocksucker **** you stupid, asshole cocksucker (my favorite) |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:23 -0400, "piedmont" >
wrote: >I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two >posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as >using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you see >there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy in >life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. > >But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for >the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. > -- >regards, piedmont (michael) >The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ >(mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 This guy is prob. responsible for driving more people off this group and ABF than anyone including Kent. He is the main reason I (for the most part) have stopped posting on either group. Life is too short. Why on earth would I want to spend my spare time dealing with someone who lives to get a rise out of people? Just goes to show you that not everyone on the school yard grew up. Just imagine how much fun we could have if that shit just went away and never came back. I tried ignoring him only to see people responding to his comments. He knows that he can still **** with people in that way too. Thing is, ppl like him would never act this way to your face. Cowards hide behind their computer knowing full well the risks of acting like they do on a puter with ppl in real life. But in a way I pity him. Must have been picked on in school every day. He posts just enough food and BBQ related stuff so as not to get reported to his ISP while his real purpose is to **** with people like some little kid trying to play in what he thinks is an adult world. I even tried to act nice and make good comments about his post in order to keep things cool. IMHO, he looks at that as weakness and pounces the 1st chance he gets. SW is a friend to no one, building support from a few very nice ppl in order to slam others in an attempt to secure an air of support. While what you posted may not have been as understated as some might have put it, I ditto your remarks and your assessment of him as a person. Well said. Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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"piedmont" > wrote in message ... >I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two >posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as >using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you >see there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy >in life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. > > But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for > the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. > -- > regards, piedmont (michael) > The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ > (mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 Mike you could have used something like "Maternal fornicating rectal orifice" pretty much the same thing except less harsh:-). Big Jim |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 14:49:30 -0400, "Big Jim" >
wrote: > >"piedmont" > wrote in message ... >>I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two >>posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as >>using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you >>see there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy >>in life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. >> >> But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for >> the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. >> -- >> regards, piedmont (michael) >> The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ >> (mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 > Mike you could have used something like "Maternal fornicating rectal >orifice" pretty much the same thing except less harsh:-). >Big Jim > ma·ter·nal (m-tūrnl) adj. 1. Relating to or characteristic of a mother or motherhood; motherly: maternal instinct. 2. Inherited from one's mother: a maternal trait. 3. Related through one's mother: my maternal uncle. Some how does not have the same ring to it. "Rectal orifice" on the other hand..... Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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"tutall" > wrote in message
... On May 10, 7:42 am, " > wrote: > What bothered me about your post was not the language or profanity, or > even whether or not what you said about Steve was true, but the > grammar: > > "because you a stupid low life ****ing dick sucker jerk wad" > > So many problems with that sentence... > Oh, missed that one. I was referring to this one (asshole cocksucker, interesting combo) . This one's interesting as it's meaing changes with the simple addition of a comma, changing the placement of the comma is fun too. > **** you stupid asshole cocksucker Can become: ****, you stupid asshole cocksucker **** you, stupid asshole cocksucker **** you stupid, asshole cocksucker (my favorite) LMAO!!! gotta go change my shorts I laughed so much! -- regards, piedmont (michael) The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ (mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 |
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piedmont >spewed forth: > I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to > two posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is > the same as using a city park. You have no control over the class of > people that you see there. I've always known that there are lots of > people whose only joy in life is too make others as miserable as they > are in life. > But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize > for the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. As you've already read by many, there is nothing to apologize for. You should never apologize for speaking the truth. Sqwertz has few friends and even less of a life, not to mention NO girlfriends. Being a drunk can do that to a person, as he has clearly demonstrated. Life is too short, KF him and relieve yourself of the stress. He just ain't worth it. There are many many people in every group he frequents that feel the same way you do. So don't apologize, he is what he is. Actually, you should apologize for being so nice to him, though, I wouldn't and haven't been<EG> I've tried to let him be and he still tries to nip at my heals like a little yappin mutt every chance he gets. F**K 'EM Always claiming to know who I am, where I live, where I work,etc and has NEVER been able to back up one word of BS he spews forth. NEVER! Just pity him for the loser he is and keep on Q'in. <tips hat> HAPPY Q'IN' |
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What an incredible waste of time, energy and bandwidth. <sigh>
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:23 -0400, piedmont wrote:
> I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two > posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as > using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you see > there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy in > life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. > > But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for > the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. Didn't somebody else just call you an attention whore, too? -sw |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:53:42 -0500, Gene wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:23 -0400, "piedmont" > > wrote: > >>I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two >>posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as >>using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you see >>there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy in >>life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. >> >>But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for >>the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. >> -- >>regards, piedmont (michael) >>The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ >>(mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 > > This guy is prob. responsible for driving more people off this group > and ABF than anyone including Kent. > > He is the main reason I (for the most part) have stopped posting on > either group. Life is too short. Why on earth would I want to spend my > spare time dealing with someone who lives to get a rise out of people? > Just goes to show you that not everyone on the school yard grew up. > > Just imagine how much fun we could have if that shit just went away > and never came back. I tried ignoring him only to see people > responding to his comments. He knows that he can still **** with > people in that way too. > > Thing is, ppl like him would never act this way to your face. Cowards > hide behind their computer knowing full well the risks of acting like > they do on a puter with ppl in real life. > > But in a way I pity him. Must have been picked on in school every day. > > He posts just enough food and BBQ related stuff so as not to get > reported to his ISP while his real purpose is to **** with people like > some little kid trying to play in what he thinks is an adult world. > > I even tried to act nice and make good comments about his post in > order to keep things cool. IMHO, he looks at that as weakness and > pounces the 1st chance he gets. SW is a friend to no one, building > support from a few very nice ppl in order to slam others in an attempt > to secure an air of support. > > While what you posted may not have been as understated as some might > have put it, I ditto your remarks and your assessment of him as a > person. Oh, so it was me he was talking to? Now I gotta find the thread. It figures you'd be in on this, too, Gene. That's all you do here is complain about me. -sw |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:59:43 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
> In , > piedmont >spewed forth: >> I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to >> two posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is >> the same as using a city park. You have no control over the class of >> people that you see there. I've always known that there are lots of >> people whose only joy in life is too make others as miserable as they >> are in life. >> But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize >> for the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. > > As you've already read by many, there is nothing to apologize for. You > should never apologize for speaking the truth. > Sqwertz has few friends and even less of a life, not to mention NO > girlfriends. > Being a drunk can do that to a person, as he has clearly demonstrated. > Life is too short, KF him and relieve yourself of the stress. He just ain't > worth it. There are many many people in every group he frequents that feel > the same way you do. So don't apologize, he is what he is. Actually, you > should apologize for being so nice to him, though, I wouldn't and haven't > been<EG> > I've tried to let him be and he still tries to nip at my heals like a > little yappin mutt every chance he gets. F**K 'EM > Always claiming to know who I am, where I live, where I work,etc and has > NEVER been able to back up one word of BS he spews forth. > NEVER! Just pity him for the loser he is and keep on Q'in. > <tips hat> > HAPPY Q'IN' And another one of my stalkers that has nothing to say about BBQ, except complain about me. Ahh. My work here is becoming more Kevin-like all the time. Looks liek the group is just full of a bunch of pansies so it's time to move in for the kill. -sw |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:23 -0400, piedmont wrote:
> I owe an apology to AFB for having lost my temper while responding to two > posts yesterday. I have always known that using a News Group is the same as > using a city park. You have no control over the class of people that you see > there. I've always known that there are lots of people whose only joy in > life is too make others as miserable as they are in life. > > But to the decent and caring folks that use AFB I sincerely apologize for > the language I used, it was totally uncalled for. > -- > regards, piedmont (michael) > The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/ > (mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8 So where is this post(s)? You're so important here that I don't even remember the thread. Can you point it out to me so your flames are no in vain? Thank you. -sw |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:59:43 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
> I've tried to let him be and he still tries to nip at my heals like a > little yappin mutt every chance he gets. F**K 'EM Oh, the irony. You know this is called projection, right? Message-ID: > Message-ID: > Message-ID: > These are exactly half of your recent posts to ABF, all of show you provoking me out of the blue. It's tough being a hypocrite. You're so misunderstood, right? -sw |
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> >It figures you'd be in on this, too, Gene. That's all you do here >is complain about me. > >-sw Aww **** off. You started it with me 1st here and over at abf so who the hell you trying to con? Your just being exposed more and more, and by more and more people for the ass that you are. You respect no one. But you sure do crave respect and attention. I am so sorry for you. Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:02:54 -0500, Nick Cramer >
wrote: > What an incredible waste of time, energy and bandwidth. <sigh> > And that's what it is: People here respond to trolling, and it is what make trolling work in the first place. I've been around this group, mostly reading, for years and it has deteriorated the last year or so. A lot of news groups have though. I think it has to do with the fact that Usenet is losing out in general. People leave for moderated web forums. The one group that won't leave though are the trolls simply because thay have nowhere else to go. So there's more trolls per capita so to speak around here these days. It's so easy keep a group clean. All it takes is a little discipline when it comes to feeding the trolls which mostly means don /not/ do it! Who would like to waste good barbecue on trolls anyway? -- //ceed |
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:32:56 -0500, Gene wrote:
> snip >> >>It figures you'd be in on this, too, Gene. That's all you do here >>is complain about me. > > Aww **** off. You started it with me 1st here and over at abf so who > the hell you trying to con? That's because you were a pompous ass bragging about your stocks and your finances and how much you made daily. In a food group. And you did again, and again, and again. But since then I haven't said "boo" to you. > Your just being exposed more and more, and by more and more people for > the ass that you are. You respect no one. But you sure do crave > respect and attention. > > I am so sorry for you. Uh, oh. I'm better put some pants on. So why are you here trying to bring attention to yourself? Are you sacrificing yourself for me? ObFood: Smoked TVP. Oh wait, those have already been invented. They call them Bac-O's. But I would naturally smoke mine, naturally. -sw |
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:07:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:32:56 -0500, Gene wrote: > >> snip >>> >>>It figures you'd be in on this, too, Gene. That's all you do here >>>is complain about me. >> >> Aww **** off. You started it with me 1st here and over at abf so who >> the hell you trying to con? > >That's because you were a pompous ass bragging about your stocks and >your finances and how much you made daily. In a food group. And >you did again, and again, and again. > >But since then I haven't said "boo" to you. > >> Your just being exposed more and more, and by more and more people for >> the ass that you are. You respect no one. But you sure do crave >> respect and attention. >> >> I am so sorry for you. > >Uh, oh. I'm better put some pants on. > >So why are you here trying to bring attention to yourself? Are you >sacrificing yourself for me? > >ObFood: Smoked TVP. Oh wait, those have already been invented. >They call them Bac-O's. But I would naturally smoke mine, >naturally. > >-sw You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, much less ranted about it. I never once discussed my finances, nor how much I made a day. NEVER. And I have never been paid "by the day". And you say I did it again, and again, and again? Prove it. All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for someone else??? Gene Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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"Gene" > wrote in message
... > On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:07:33 -0500, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:32:56 -0500, Gene wrote: >> >>> snip >>>> >>>>It figures you'd be in on this, too, Gene. That's all you do here >>>>is complain about me. >>> >>> Aww **** off. You started it with me 1st here and over at abf so who >>> the hell you trying to con? >> >>That's because you were a pompous ass bragging about your stocks and >>your finances and how much you made daily. In a food group. And >>you did again, and again, and again. >> >>But since then I haven't said "boo" to you. >> >>> Your just being exposed more and more, and by more and more people for >>> the ass that you are. You respect no one. But you sure do crave >>> respect and attention. >>> >>> I am so sorry for you. >> >>Uh, oh. I'm better put some pants on. >> >>So why are you here trying to bring attention to yourself? Are you >>sacrificing yourself for me? >> >>ObFood: Smoked TVP. Oh wait, those have already been invented. >>They call them Bac-O's. But I would naturally smoke mine, >>naturally. >> >>-sw > > You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN > any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee > (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, > much less ranted about it. > > I never once discussed my finances, nor how much I made a day. NEVER. > And I have never been paid "by the day". And you say I did it again, > and again, and again? Prove it. > > All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for > someone else??? > > Gene sqirts has lost it, i seriously think its early onset Alzheimer. he probably looks in the mirror each morning and says to himself, "who the hell are you, your an asshole", then gets online thinking everyone he's talking to is the same asshole he saw in the mirror, its very sad. piedmont |
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:26:35 -0500, Gene wrote:
> You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN > any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee > (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, > much less ranted about it. My apologies, then. I must have you mixed up with ... chemiker maybe? I've killed too many brain cells lately - my once excellent memory is failing me. Maybe I didn't even hate you after all <shrug>. Oh well, too late now I guess. > All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for > someone else??? Uh, could be. Oops? -sw |
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On Mon, 17 May 2010 15:16:04 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:26:35 -0500, Gene wrote: > >> You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN >> any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee >> (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, >> much less ranted about it. > >My apologies, then. I must have you mixed up with ... chemiker >maybe? I've killed too many brain cells lately - my once >excellent memory is failing me. Maybe I didn't even hate you after >all <shrug>. Oh well, too late now I guess. > >> All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for >> someone else??? > >Uh, could be. Oops? > >-sw Well gee, if that's all it was. Seriously, it is never too late to say your sorry. As long as you don't end up giving me shit for no reason again, I say, let it be. Cheers! Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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"Gene" > wrote in message
... > On Mon, 17 May 2010 15:16:04 -0500, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:26:35 -0500, Gene wrote: >> >>> You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN >>> any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee >>> (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, >>> much less ranted about it. >> >>My apologies, then. I must have you mixed up with ... chemiker >>maybe? I've killed too many brain cells lately - my once >>excellent memory is failing me. Maybe I didn't even hate you after >>all <shrug>. Oh well, too late now I guess. >> >>> All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for >>> someone else??? >> >>Uh, could be. Oops? >> >>-sw > > Well gee, if that's all it was. > > Seriously, it is never too late to say your sorry. As long as you > don't end up giving me shit for no reason again, I say, let it be. > > > Cheers! > > Gene seriously i honestly think swertz has some sort of issue/s, he made snotty comments about my families new puppy on RFC which triggered me, and as you know, you do not fxxk with a southern man's dog, even if it is tiny! i'm gonna give swertz the benefit of the doubt and just ignore his continual criticizing remarks. regards, piedmont |
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On May 20, 12:14*am, Gene > wrote:
> .................................................. ..................................... > Cheers! > > Gene > > .................................................. ...................................... All stand, raise a toast, and shout "HEAR! HEAR! |
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"piedmont" > wrote in message ... > "Gene" > wrote in message > seriously i honestly think swertz has some sort of issue/s, he made snotty > comments about my families new puppy on RFC which triggered me, and as you > know, you do not fxxk with a southern man's dog, even if it is tiny! i'm > gonna give swertz the benefit of the doubt and just ignore his continual > criticizing remarks. > regards, > piedmont > > his job here is done. and i might add, one of his better ones. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2010 02:14:55 -0500, Gene wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2010 15:16:04 -0500, Sqwertz > > wrote: > >>On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:26:35 -0500, Gene wrote: >> >>> You are full of shit. I NEVER once talked about stocks. I do not OWN >>> any STOCK. Other than a few shares of AT&T that I got as an employee >>> (which I dumped when I left the company), I have never had any stock, >>> much less ranted about it. >> >>My apologies, then. I must have you mixed up with ... chemiker >>maybe? I've killed too many brain cells lately - my once >>excellent memory is failing me. Maybe I didn't even hate you after >>all <shrug>. Oh well, too late now I guess. >> >>> All this time you have been an ass to me, and you have mistaken me for >>> someone else??? >> >>Uh, could be. Oops? >> >>-sw > > Well gee, if that's all it was. > > Seriously, it is never too late to say your sorry. As long as you > don't end up giving me shit for no reason again, I say, let it be. > > Cheers! I'm sorry, and Cheers. Just don't start posting the same messages to three different groups like that Pee'dmont guy. -sw |
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Apology to AFB
On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:42:00 -0400, piedmont wrote:
> seriously i honestly think swertz has some sort of issue/s, he made snotty > comments about my families new puppy on RFC which triggered me It triggers me when you posted about it (started threads) for the 3rd or 4th time about puppies in a food group. It's not appropriate, and you know. You want to do that shit, join Facebook or Twitter. Usenet has specific groups for specific purposes. And I'm justified in calling you in it. At least you're not flooding AFB will dozens of random BBQ joints, their addresses, and phone numbers like a common shill. With no explanation, I might add. Oh wait - that *was* you. -sw |
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Apology to AFB
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> >Just don't start posting the same messages to three different groups >like that Pee'dmont guy. > >-sw I NEVER go over 2 groups Gene http://www.nowyourcooking.net/ "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" "Thomas Jefferson" |
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