Hi all;

I've had a Weber Grill since the Cretaceous Period (post-dinasaurs).
I've replaced the ... the ... the ...ugh? "flavorizor bars" and the
grills a couple times. Now I need to replace the fire pipes, the drip
basket, and the push-button fire start, &tc.. I'm good with it, the
replacement parts and shipping are ~$85 cf. $$$$$ for a new grill.

'k, the firebox and &tc. are covered with bbq crud, and I'd like to
make it go away. I've been scraping, but it's a tough go.

Any suggstions? Oven cleaner? Ammonia? Sand-blasting? Hiriong
those guys from Home Depot from the post in home repair?

Suggestions appreciated.

-Zz

In article >,
Zz Yzx > wrote:

> Hi all;
>
> I've had a Weber Grill since the Cretaceous Period (post-dinasaurs).
> I've replaced the ... the ... the ...ugh? "flavorizor bars" and the
> grills a couple times. Now I need to replace the fire pipes, the drip
> basket, and the push-button fire start, &tc.. I'm good with it, the
> replacement parts and shipping are ~$85 cf. $$$$$ for a new grill.
>
> 'k, the firebox and &tc. are covered with bbq crud, and I'd like to
> make it go away. I've been scraping, but it's a tough go.
>
> Any suggstions? Oven cleaner? Ammonia? Sand-blasting? Hiriong
> those guys from Home Depot from the post in home repair?
>
> Suggestions appreciated.
>
> -Zz

Oven cleaner, combined with sunlight.
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--Steve Rothstein

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"Zz Yzx" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all;
>
> I've had a Weber Grill since the Cretaceous Period (post-dinasaurs).
> I've replaced the ... the ... the ...ugh? "flavorizor bars" and the
> grills a couple times. Now I need to replace the fire pipes, the drip
> basket, and the push-button fire start, &tc.. I'm good with it, the
> replacement parts and shipping are ~$85 cf. $$$$$ for a new grill.
>
> 'k, the firebox and &tc. are covered with bbq crud, and I'd like to
> make it go away. I've been scraping, but it's a tough go.
>
> Any suggstions? Oven cleaner? Ammonia? Sand-blasting? Hiriong
> those guys from Home Depot from the post in home repair?
>
> Suggestions appreciated.
>
> -Zz
>
>
If you haven't done so, I'd suggesting asking this same question on the
Virtual Weber Bullet: http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/ Register first,
then go to the Forums. You'll find good advice there. I like that site,
specifically directed at Weber Products, but not directly associated with
Weber-Stephens. I have a Performer, a Genesis, and a WSM. One reason to
consider repairing is that Weber has excellent customer service. Old models
continue to have parts available. Make certain you get porceleinized cast
iron grates[available at Home Depot].

Kent

"Kent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zz Yzx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all;
>>
>> I've had a Weber Grill since the Cretaceous Period (post-dinasaurs).
>> I've replaced the ... the ... the ...ugh? "flavorizor bars" and the
>> grills a couple times. Now I need to replace the fire pipes, the drip
>> basket, and the push-button fire start, &tc.. I'm good with it, the
>> replacement parts and shipping are ~$85 cf. $$$$$ for a new grill.
>>
>> 'k, the firebox and &tc. are covered with bbq crud, and I'd like to
>> make it go away. I've been scraping, but it's a tough go.
>>
>> Any suggstions? Oven cleaner? Ammonia? Sand-blasting? Hiriong
>> those guys from Home Depot from the post in home repair?
>>
>> Suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> -Zz
>>
>>
> If you haven't done so, I'd suggesting asking this same question on the
> Virtual Weber Bullet: http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/ Register first,
> then go to the Forums. You'll find good advice there. I like that site,
> specifically directed at Weber Products, but not directly associated with
> Weber-Stephens. I have a Performer, a Genesis, and a WSM. One reason to
> consider repairing is that Weber has excellent customer service. Old
> models continue to have parts available. Make certain you get
> porceleinized cast iron grates[available at Home Depot].
>
> Kent


You also brine your turkey in the garage in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
seriously?

TFM®

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
> "Kent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Zz Yzx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi all;
>>>
>>> I've had a Weber Grill since the Cretaceous Period (post-dinasaurs).
>>> I've replaced the ... the ... the ...ugh? "flavorizor bars" and the
>>> grills a couple times. Now I need to replace the fire pipes, the drip
>>> basket, and the push-button fire start, &tc.. I'm good with it, the
>>> replacement parts and shipping are ~$85 cf. $$$$$ for a new grill.
>>>
>>> 'k, the firebox and &tc. are covered with bbq crud, and I'd like to
>>> make it go away. I've been scraping, but it's a tough go.
>>>
>>> Any suggstions? Oven cleaner? Ammonia? Sand-blasting? Hiriong
>>> those guys from Home Depot from the post in home repair?
>>>
>>> Suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> -Zz
>>>
>>>
>> If you haven't done so, I'd suggesting asking this same question on the
>> Virtual Weber Bullet: http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/ Register first,
>> then go to the Forums. You'll find good advice there. I like that site,
>> specifically directed at Weber Products, but not directly associated with
>> Weber-Stephens. I have a Performer, a Genesis, and a WSM. One reason to
>> consider repairing is that Weber has excellent customer service. Old
>> models continue to have parts available. Make certain you get
>> porceleinized cast iron grates[available at Home Depot].
>>
>> Kent
>
>
> You also brine your turkey in the garage in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
> seriously?
>
> TFM®
You are a troll of course.
There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration. In
prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
http://smokehouseproducts.com/ Click on the recipe book and read.

In article >,
"Kent" > wrote:

> You are a troll of course.
> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration. In
> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.

TFM is hardly a troll dear.

And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".

And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...

There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
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--Steve Rothstein

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Kent" > wrote:
>
>> You are a troll of course.
>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration. In
>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>
> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>
> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>
> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>
> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
>
Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage in a
5 gallon bucket at ambient
temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
seriously?"

In article >,
"Kent" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Kent" > wrote:
> >
> >> You are a troll of course.
> >> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration. In
> >> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
> >
> > TFM is hardly a troll dear.
> >
> > And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
> >
> > And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
> >
> > There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
> > ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> >
> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage in a
> 5 gallon bucket at ambient
> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
> seriously?"

Well, I was told that YOU were a troll when I first joined this group...

and by several members.

Who am I supposed to listen to when you just insulted me for no good
reason?

Sorry, but brining a turkey in your garage (unless your garage is at 30
to 40 degrees) is just ignorant.
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"Kent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> "Kent" > wrote:
>>
>>> You are a troll of course.
>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>>> In
>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>
>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>
>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>
>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>
>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>> --
>> Peace! Om
>>
>>
> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage in
> a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
> seriously?"
>
Nobody (well, nobody with any brainpower) takes anything that you say
seriously.

"Kent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> "Kent" > wrote:
>>
>>> You are a troll of course.
>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>>> In
>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>
>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>
>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>
>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>
>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>> --
>> Peace! Om
>>
>>
> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage in
> a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
> seriously?"
>
>
>
>

They were your words, not mine.

TFM®

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Kent" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > "Kent" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> You are a troll of course.
>> >> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>> >> In
>> >> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>> >
>> > TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>> >
>> > And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>> >
>> > And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>> >
>> > There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>> > ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>> > --
>> > Peace! Om
>> >
>> >
>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>> in a
>> 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
>> seriously?"
>
> Well, I was told that YOU were a troll when I first joined this group...
>
> and by several members.
>
> Who am I supposed to listen to when you just insulted me for no good
> reason?
>
> Sorry, but brining a turkey in your garage (unless your garage is at 30
> to 40 degrees) is just ignorant.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
>
I do not believe I insulted you. The comment I made to TFM has nothing to do
with you, and wasn't in any way directed at you.
I was calling him a Troll. He made the following comment that I would call
trolling. From TFM: "You also brine your turkey in the garage in a 5 gallon
bucket at ambient temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take
anything you say seriously?"

TFM's deragatory comment stems from a statement I made in 2003 about brining
a turkey for Thanksgiving. From me: "You brine at garage temperature as
long as you are above 35 degrees latitude, and in the winter, where the
garage temp. is about 40 degrees F."

This statement was based on what is in the Luhr Jensen recipe book for their
smokers. http://smokehouseproducts.com/

Again, Om, I would like to stress that nothing I wrote was directed at you.
I do not regard myself as a troller. It is difficult to not respond with
something to the kind of dialogue written by TFM, and the few others who do
this routinely.

Hope this helps,

Kent

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
> "Kent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> In article >,
>>> "Kent" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>>>> In
>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>
>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>
>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>
>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>
>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>> --
>>> Peace! Om
>>>
>>>
>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
>> seriously?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> They were your words, not mine.
>
> TFM®
>
>
As above it's not what I said. It's your paraphrasing my rhetoric. . The
point is that I don't think my language warrants your second line. That's an
obvious troll.

Kent

"Kelvin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> In article >,
>>> "Kent" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>>>> In
>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>
>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>
>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>
>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>
>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>> --
>>> Peace! Om
>>>
>>>
>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
>> seriously?"
>>
> Nobody (well, nobody with any brainpower) takes anything that you say
> seriously.
>
And, the masturbating Sqwertzian brain blows it out again. You should get
some condoms so you don't mess up those around you, and yourself.

In article >,
"Kent" > wrote:

> I do not believe I insulted you. The comment I made to TFM has nothing to do
> with you, and wasn't in any way directed at you.
> I was calling him a Troll. He made the following comment that I would call
> trolling. From TFM: "You also brine your turkey in the garage in a 5 gallon
> bucket at ambient temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take
> anything you say seriously?"
>
> TFM's deragatory comment stems from a statement I made in 2003 about brining
> a turkey for Thanksgiving. From me: "You brine at garage temperature as
> long as you are above 35 degrees latitude, and in the winter, where the
> garage temp. is about 40 degrees F."
>
> This statement was based on what is in the Luhr Jensen recipe book for their
> smokers. http://smokehouseproducts.com/
>
> Again, Om, I would like to stress that nothing I wrote was directed at you.
> I do not regard myself as a troller. It is difficult to not respond with
> something to the kind of dialogue written by TFM, and the few others who do
> this routinely.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Kent

Ok, I misread it. It looked like you were calling me a troll.
TFM is not tho'.

Do you track your garage temp. tho' if you are going to attempt this
sort of thing? It is risky.
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"Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck." --Dalai Lama

Kent wrote:

> I do not believe I insulted you. The comment I made to TFM has
> nothing to do with you, and wasn't in any way directed at you.
> I was calling him a Troll.

Kent, you continuously misuse the word troll, which is the term for a
non-member of a ng who anonymously posts a controversial topic with the
purposeful intent to hook the naive onto the trollers baited hook. Trolls
disappear and usually do not respond, as they are content to sit back and
enjoy the fun. THAT is what knowledgeable usenet participants consider to be
a troll. Forget the Webster dictionary definitions, dammit all.

So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap. TFM is a valuable participant and
someone whom I consider to be a personal friend with whom I have spent time.
Alan (TFM), along with his beautiful bride (God Bless you and may you have a
peaceful rest), in front of a bunch of afb participants who came from all
over the US and Canada, were married in a wonderful, albeit, unconventional
ceremony at the grand opening of my bbq joint.

All of the participants here, especially me at times, have quirks and
personalities. That's what makes this a fun place to be. There are feuds,
there are loyalties, there are favorites, there are those with whom we
begrudgingly interact with.

You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some enemies
due to your quirks and behavior. Over the last few months, it seemed you
have wanted to make a go of fitting in. I applaud that. But make no mistake,
it would be my bet that you will come out on the sliver-end of the stick if
you expect this group to advocate your side over that of Alan (TFM) or Steve
(Sqwerts). For better, or worse, there is always a long-term collective
memory of the positives and negatives among long-time members of any NG of
its participants. Feuds and negative interactions are sometimes slow to
overcome.

You want to fight with Steve or Alan? Fine, go ahead and make their day. It
will hurt you far more then it will hurt them as far as this NG is
concerned. Yeah, it is tough to take the taunts but you have a choice to
make: nut-up and deal with it, or keep up this sissy slap-fighting and hurt
your long-term cause. It is your choice. If it helps, then kill-file TFM and
Steve W so you don't see their posts; what you can't see, in this case,
won't hurt you. Hell, my daddy was military and I changed schools every two
to three years. With a last name like 'Bugg', I grew up with taunts. I made
friends by smiling, letting it go, or sometimes joining in with
self-depricating good humor. I even developed a logo which I could quickly
draw, and which my friends and students fellow students demanded I use when
signing each others yearbooks (do they still have yearbooks?).

I am ambivalent about what you decide to do, and I can imagine the arguments
that would be normal for you to formulate in response to this post. But
please believe me when I say that I don't care. I am spending far more time
giving you this advice than I really want to, because I think you might be
willing to accept it without arguing the issue.

Do with it what you will.


--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Kent wrote:
> > wrote in message
> . com...
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> news >>>
>>>> In >,
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates refrigeration.
>>>>> In
>>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>>>
>>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>>
>>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>>
>>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>>
>>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer of
>>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>>> --
>>>> Peace! Om
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you say
>>> seriously?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> They were your words, not mine.
>>
>> TFM®
>>
>>
>>
> As above it's not what I said. It's your paraphrasing my rhetoric. . The
> point is that I don't think my language warrants your second line. That's an
> obvious troll.
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
>
That's not a troll. It might be a flame or it might be true. Do you
even know what a troll is?

Larry

On Mar 21, 4:34*pm, Larry > wrote:

>
> That's not a troll. *It might be a flame or it might be true. *Do you
> even know what a troll is?
>

You know the answer to that already.

On Mar 21, 2:03*pm, "Kent" > wrote:

>
> TFM's deragatory comment stems from a statement I made in 2003 about brining
> a turkey for Thanksgiving. *From me: "You brine at garage temperature as
> long as you are above 35 degrees latitude, and in the winter, where the
> garage temp. is about 40 degrees F."
>

You're not only an ignoramous, you are a liar. You never, ever
mentioned temps other than to say that your home is cooler than some
others in the SFBA as a weak defense later on.

Seriously Kent, never post about salts or brining ever again, you
shown over the years to be beyond stupid about them and have been
schooled on it too many times to count and you could harm some
innocent with your mis-information.

Just stop it Kent. If not I hope someone sues the shit out of you.

On Mar 21, 3:59*pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:


> So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap.

Your request is invalidated by the following:

> You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some enemies
> due to your quirks and behavior.

He's incapable of acting like a normal person. You tried Dave. I just
wish everyone would just ignore the wretch.

You hearing me Om, Reg?

We've encouraged him and see what that got us?

In article
>,
tutall > wrote:

> On Mar 21, 3:59*pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>
>
> > So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap.
>
> Your request is invalidated by the following:
>
> > You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some enemies
> > due to your quirks and behavior.
>
> He's incapable of acting like a normal person. You tried Dave. I just
> wish everyone would just ignore the wretch.
>
> You hearing me Om, Reg?
>
> We've encouraged him and see what that got us?

He joined r.f.c.
He'll fit in just fine there. <g>
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Peace! Om

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"Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck." --Dalai Lama

tutall > wrote:
> On Mar 21, 3:59=A0pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>
> > So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap.
>
> Your request is invalidated by the following:
>
> > You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some
> > enemies due to your quirks and behavior.
>
> He's incapable of acting like a normal person. You tried Dave. I just
> wish everyone would just ignore the wretch.
>
> You hearing me Om, Reg?
>
> We've encouraged him and see what that got us?

He's one of the Charter Members of my killfile; almost as long ago as "He
Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered", which I no longer remember, nor want to.

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"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
> Kent wrote:
>
>> I do not believe I insulted you. The comment I made to TFM has
>> nothing to do with you, and wasn't in any way directed at you.
>> I was calling him a Troll.
>
> Kent, you continuously misuse the word troll, which is the term for a
> non-member of a ng who anonymously posts a controversial topic with the
> purposeful intent to hook the naive onto the trollers baited hook. Trolls
> disappear and usually do not respond, as they are content to sit back and
> enjoy the fun. THAT is what knowledgeable usenet participants consider to
> be a troll. Forget the Webster dictionary definitions, dammit all.
>
> So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap. TFM is a valuable participant and
> someone whom I consider to be a personal friend with whom I have spent
> time. Alan (TFM), along with his beautiful bride (God Bless you and may
> you have a peaceful rest), in front of a bunch of afb participants who
> came from all over the US and Canada, were married in a wonderful, albeit,
> unconventional ceremony at the grand opening of my bbq joint.
>
> All of the participants here, especially me at times, have quirks and
> personalities. That's what makes this a fun place to be. There are feuds,
> there are loyalties, there are favorites, there are those with whom we
> begrudgingly interact with.
>
> You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some enemies
> due to your quirks and behavior. Over the last few months, it seemed you
> have wanted to make a go of fitting in. I applaud that. But make no
> mistake, it would be my bet that you will come out on the sliver-end of
> the stick if you expect this group to advocate your side over that of Alan
> (TFM) or Steve (Sqwerts). For better, or worse, there is always a
> long-term collective memory of the positives and negatives among long-time
> members of any NG of its participants. Feuds and negative interactions are
> sometimes slow to overcome.
>
> You want to fight with Steve or Alan? Fine, go ahead and make their day.
> It will hurt you far more then it will hurt them as far as this NG is
> concerned. Yeah, it is tough to take the taunts but you have a choice to
> make: nut-up and deal with it, or keep up this sissy slap-fighting and
> hurt your long-term cause. It is your choice. If it helps, then kill-file
> TFM and Steve W so you don't see their posts; what you can't see, in this
> case, won't hurt you. Hell, my daddy was military and I changed schools
> every two to three years. With a last name like 'Bugg', I grew up with
> taunts. I made friends by smiling, letting it go, or sometimes joining in
> with self-depricating good humor. I even developed a logo which I could
> quickly draw, and which my friends and students fellow students demanded I
> use when signing each others yearbooks (do they still have yearbooks?).
>
> I am ambivalent about what you decide to do, and I can imagine the
> arguments that would be normal for you to formulate in response to this
> post. But please believe me when I say that I don't care. I am spending
> far more time giving you this advice than I really want to, because I
> think you might be willing to accept it without arguing the issue.
>
> Do with it what you will.
>
>
> --
> Dave
>
>
Dave, thank you for your thoughtful, sincere, insightful note. I'm sure the
last thing you wish to do is to start going back and forth about
definitions. I have a few thoughts.
Non-members: A non moderated Usenet newsgroup does not have members. There
isn't a single dominant group that dictates the composition, or subject of
the group. I'm very aware that the founders started it as a "low and slow,"
charcoal, wood, barbecuing group. That's not, unfortunately, the way it is.
The subject is whatever and however readers define the word "barbecue" and
post at any moment in time. None of this would be true of this was a
moderated newsgroup. As we know, however, moderated Usenet groups almost all
fail, and once a group is designated as non moderated it cannot be changed.

Troll: My definition of troll has been as it is in Wikipedia. "In Internet
slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic
messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat
room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an
emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"
I believe Alan[TFM], in his line above, "Do you honestly expect anyone to
ever take anything you say seriously?", was "flame baiting" and he was
acting as a troll. His was a fairly caustic statement. How does one respond
to that? Maybe I am hypersensitive.

I haven't had issue[s] like this with Alan[TFM] in the past, at least that I
remember, and I could view this as a "ho hum" event. But in the case Steve
Wertz's ongoing caustic statements it's very difficult to say "so what" and,
then let each statement go. At the same time, I haven't killfiled Steve
Wertz because he knows a lot about food and cooking, and I've learned from
his posts.

For me this all started, I believe, years ago when I began posting in this
newsgroup and got into worthless flame wars with a very caustic flamer named
Kevin S. Wilson. He's fortunately gone now, though I wouldn't be surprised
if he is here somewhere using a pseudonym. I tried using a pseudonym
following that to start afresh. Doing that doesn't really work. Your
language is too much part of your identity. Steve Wertz, masquerading as
Kelvin is a recent example of that.

Finally, I would like, somehow, to remain in this newsgroup. I wish I knew
just how.

Again, thank you for your note, and the effort you put into it.

Kent

"tutall" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 21, 2:03 pm, "Kent" > wrote:

>
> TFM's deragatory comment stems from a statement I made in 2003 about
> brining
> a turkey for Thanksgiving. From me: "You brine at garage temperature as
> long as you are above 35 degrees latitude, and in the winter, where the
> garage temp. is about 40 degrees F."
>

You're not only an ignoramous, you are a liar. You never, ever
mentioned temps other than to say that your home is cooler than some
others in the SFBA as a weak defense later on.

Seriously Kent, never post about salts or brining ever again, you
shown over the years to be beyond stupid about them and have been
schooled on it too many times to count and you could harm some
innocent with your mis-information.

Just stop it Kent. If not I hope someone sues the shit out of you.
>
>
>
Tutall, the line above inside the quotation marks is identical to what I
posted in 2003. You can find the exact text by doing a Google search.

Kent

"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> Kent wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> . com...
>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> In >,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates
>>>>>> refrigeration.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>>>>
>>>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>>>
>>>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer
>>>>> of
>>>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peace! Om
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>>>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>>>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you
>>>> say
>>>> seriously?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They were your words, not mine.
>>>
>>> TFM®
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> As above it's not what I said. It's your paraphrasing my rhetoric. .
>> The
>> point is that I don't think my language warrants your second line. That's
>> an
>> obvious troll.
>>
>> Kent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> That's not a troll. It might be a flame or it might be true. Do you even
> know what a troll is?
>
> Larry
>
>
No, I may not, at least the definition of some.
As in my note above from Wikipedia, a troll is a person, anyone posting, and
not defined as anonymous.
Troll, in my mind, could also be a noun referring to the message in quetion.
Troll is an adjective, as in "troll message"
Troll is a verb, as in trolling.
The internet use of this word may have made its meaning confusing.
What is your definition?

Kent

Kent wrote:

> Finally, I would like, somehow, to remain in this newsgroup. I wish I
> knew just how.

Ah fer kripes sake <slapping self on forehead>; I all but gave you
step-by-step instructions, Kent. In my post, I even fore-told your likely
response and asked that you not give-in to your natural desire to reply in
the manner in which you just did. I was able to predict your likely response
because such a response is what this newsgroup has come to expect from you.
And so, unable to fight against your baser nature, you went ahead and posted
in the way that I thought you might. Your response is a prime example of
that which irritates and angers, and which has alienated you from virtually
every other participant here.

I wanted to try and put-aside previous negative feelings, put a halt to my
negative responses to your posts, and give you some breathing room to try
and fit in. My responses to your posts over the last couple of months have
been, if not overtly warm, were polite. Now you go and pull this.

I really feel sorry for you in your attempt to figure out what-is-what on
usenet. I won't speculate as to whether or not you have friends in real
life; you just don't have any friends here.

Wikipedia, indeed. <Snork> All one needs to do, in order to find the true
definition of a troll, is to look at your recent response on RFC to 'Stu'
with regard to Sara Palin. The sound of the rod and reel and the smell of
the bait were on sensory overload, but you got snagged anyway. Having you
sputter around declaring what a 'troll' is, is like listening to a
three-year old trying to explain how to cook a turkey (OB food).

So, congratulations, Kent; well done.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

In article >,
"Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:

> Omelet said:
> > In article
> > >,
> > tutall > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 21, 3:59pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, please, knock off this 'troll' crap.
> >>
> >> Your request is invalidated by the following:
> >>
> >>> You, Kent, created a lot of animosity, frustration, and made some
> >>> enemies due to your quirks and behavior.
> >>
> >> He's incapable of acting like a normal person. You tried Dave. I just
> >> wish everyone would just ignore the wretch.
> >>
> >> You hearing me Om, Reg?
> >>
> >> We've encouraged him and see what that got us?
> >
> > He joined r.f.c.
> > He'll fit in just fine there. <g>
>
> "Joined"?
>
> Hey, I understood what you meant. But it made me wonder how cool it would be
> for him to be denied membership in a Usenet group.
>
> ;-)

<lol> But then usenet would not be our beloved Anarchy any more! ;-)
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>

"Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck." --Dalai Lama

Kent wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Kent wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> . com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In >,
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates
>>>>>>> refrigeration.
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peace! Om
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the garage
>>>>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>>>>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you
>>>>> say
>>>>> seriously?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They were your words, not mine.
>>>>
>>>> TFM®
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As above it's not what I said. It's your paraphrasing my rhetoric. .
>>> The
>>> point is that I don't think my language warrants your second line. That's
>>> an
>>> obvious troll.
>>>
>>> Kent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That's not a troll. It might be a flame or it might be true. Do you even
>> know what a troll is?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
> No, I may not, at least the definition of some.
> As in my note above from Wikipedia, a troll is a person, anyone posting, and
> not defined as anonymous.
> Troll, in my mind, could also be a noun referring to the message in quetion.
> Troll is an adjective, as in "troll message"
> Troll is a verb, as in trolling.
> The internet use of this word may have made its meaning confusing.
> What is your definition?
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
>
Wikipedia? Shit, that entry could have been written by you. Do some
better Googling, Kent.

"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> Kent wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> . com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In >,
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are a troll of course.
>>>>>>>> There isn't anything about brining turkey that mandates
>>>>>>>> refrigeration.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> prior centuries we did not have refrigeration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TFM is hardly a troll dear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now that we have refrigeration, we USE it for "food safety".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And a lot fewer people die of dysentary...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no excuse not to brine a turkey under at least a good layer
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> ice. Ice is cheap. You are taking unnecessary risks.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Peace! Om
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Om, this rhetoric is a troll. "You also brine your turkey in the
>>>>>> garage
>>>>>> in a 5 gallon bucket at ambient
>>>>>> temperature. Do you honestly expect anyone to ever take anything you
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> seriously?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> They were your words, not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> TFM®
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> As above it's not what I said. It's your paraphrasing my rhetoric. .
>>>> The
>>>> point is that I don't think my language warrants your second line.
>>>> That's
>>>> an
>>>> obvious troll.
>>>>
>>>> Kent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's not a troll. It might be a flame or it might be true. Do you
>>> even
>>> know what a troll is?
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No, I may not, at least the definition of some.
>> As in my note above from Wikipedia, a troll is a person, anyone posting,
>> and
>> not defined as anonymous.
>> Troll, in my mind, could also be a noun referring to the message in
>> quetion.
>> Troll is an adjective, as in "troll message"
>> Troll is a verb, as in trolling.
>> The internet use of this word may have made its meaning confusing.
>> What is your definition?
>>
>> Kent
>>
>>
> Wikipedia? Shit, that entry could have been written by you. Do some
> better Googling, Kent.
>
>
I'd accept that definition. I didn't write it, but so what? Wikipedia is
reviewing and editing ongoing. It's not just the author's definiton unless
no one disagrees with it.

"Kent" > wrote

> Troll: My definition of troll has been as it is in Wikipedia. "In Internet
> slang, a troll is someone ...

Idiot!

A troll is a post, not a person.

I troll the usenet when I'm bored, I catch idiots...


I am a troller, not a troll. The post is the troll. Try to comprehend...

TFM®
(I just released you again)

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Kent" > wrote
>
>> Troll: My definition of troll has been as it is in Wikipedia. "In
>> Internet slang, a troll is someone ...
>
> Idiot!
>
> A troll is a post, not a person.
>
> I troll the usenet when I'm bored, I catch idiots...
>
>
> I am a troller, not a troll. The post is the troll. Try to comprehend...
>
> TFM®
> (I just released you again)
>
Yes, my boy, you are a troll!

Om please take note.

Kent

On Mar 24, 10:07*am, "Kent" > wrote:
> "TFM®" > wrote in message

Alan, use this how you will, it was posted while you were inactive:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...78cf2141?hl=en

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...0f7ef65929fee4

"tutall" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 24, 10:07 am, "Kent" > wrote:
> "TFM®" > wrote in message

Alan, use this how you will, it was posted while you were inactive:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...78cf2141?hl=en



Far be it from me to exploit another's ignorance. *chuckles*
Oh my, such fun I could have, but I won't.

I will have the number recorded in an appropriate location that I could find
even if I couldn't find my ass with both hands. Perhaps Mr. Hyde will call
on occasion. Dr. Jekyll is perfectly satisfied to lambast him publicly.

Many thanks to you sir,
TFM®

>Suggestions appreciated.
>
>-Zz


'k, got the parts, fixed it all up. Works like new. Thanks for all
the replies and other vitriol.

Kudos to Weber. I was able to refurbish a 15+ yr old grill so it
works like new for $85. And, I generated a post with 31 replies.

-Zz

On Mar 26, 8:44*am, Zz Yzx > wrote:
> >Suggestions appreciated.
>
> >-Zz
>
> 'k, got the parts, fixed it all up. *Works like new. *Thanks for all
> the replies and other vitriol.
>
> Kudos to Weber. *I was able to refurbish a 15+ yr old grill so it
> works like new for $85. *And, I generated a post with 31 replies.
>
> -Zz

We're happy to be of service while entertaining at the same time.

Happy BBQing this summer.

Me: plan on 4-5 butts and 2 chix this weekend.