The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd
opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW,
the cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I
took it to the compressed gas guys, they offered to either fill my
own cylinder, or let me just "exchange" it for a 53cf one already
filled and for the same price. I asked about what a new 53 would
have cost if I'd just walked in, and it was $160, so I got a good
deal, so to speak.

Once back home with the filled 53cf cylinder, I hit Harbor Freight
and bought a 25', 3/8", compressed air line. By cutting one end
off, I fit the barbed fitting on the pressure regulator and the
other end screwed nicely into the air blow gun I got at Harbor
Freight while getting the line. I went behind the refrigerator
and drilled into the wall, coming out in the spare bedroom behind
the kitchen. It was perfect, in that the cylinder was thus
between the end of a dresser and the wall- hidden but very
accessible.

I snake the line to behind the refrigerator, where it now sits
self-coiled. I set the pressure regulator to 15psi and that
seemed about right to blow in nitrogen, without blowing out
liquids or dry things from a baggie.

Tonight, we had bean soup and I put the remainder into two 2-qt.
Tupperware containers. Just before sealing the lid, I gave each a
brief squirt of Nitrogen to keep them fresher in the refrigerator.

Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that they'll
"blend" nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended
price. That'd give me another gas in the mix, but one a tad
heavier than O2 and able to sit on top of liquids better. At my
expected rate of usage, that should be somewhere in about 2012 or
so- after the Apocalypse.

--
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Nonny wrote:
> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd opted
> for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW, the cylinder
> I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I took it to the
<snipped probably most of the important stuff - sorry >


Nonny,

I think this is a great experiment, but this will be better than vacuum
sealing and tossing it a -20dF freezer because.....

?

--
Steve

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
> Nonny wrote:
>> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if
>> I'd opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50.
>> FWIW, the cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf.
>> When I took it to the
> <snipped probably most of the important stuff - sorry >
>
>
> Nonny,
>
> I think this is a great experiment, but this will be better than
> vacuum sealing and tossing it a -20dF freezer because.....

I'm no expert, Steve, so my opinion is not worth too much. What I
want is two ways to retain freshness- the Foodsaver is like you
suggest, in that you remove almost all the air and store foods in
a freezer inside a bag that virtually eliminates moisture or air
exchange with the outside world. That's great, IMHO, for most
meat and even prepared foods that have been prefrozen so that the
liquids won't mess up the vacuum.

IMHO, though, the Foodsaver bags and their "resealability" present
some issues. I've experimented successfully vacuum sealing
regular zip-lock type bags, but it still takes time and isn't
perfect in the least.

What I'm wanting is the ability to NOT have to vacuum a zip-lock
type bag, but still exclude oxygen. I'd say a prime example would
be a 1# bag of shredded cheese in the refrigerator. I used some
tonight and after removing what I wanted, I pressed the bag
slightly to push out a lot of the air, then inserted the nozzle of
the nitrogen gun into an opening in the zip lock zipper and gave
it a squirt. The bag "inflated" with the nitrogen gas, which I
then again pressed out some and finished zipping it closed. I
also did that with some Tupperware quart containers of bean soup I
had, before freezing.

I'd not consider the time or expense of freezing half of a
leftover sandwich, but just toss it into a baggie and put on a
shelf in the refrigerator. With the nitrogen puffer, I can
exclude most of the oxygen in the air, giving the sandwich a
longer shelf life. OTOH, when I cook 5 breaded tenderloins for
sandwiches tomorrow, we'll eat 2 and freeze up the remaining 3.
Those will be done in Foodsaver freezer fashion, since I'm sure
it'll have a longer life. I MIGHT try a purge with the nitrogen
before vacuuming, but might not, either.

What I think of with the nitrogen system is an intermediary step
between just bagging and refrigerating something and the ultimate
storage of vacuum/Foodsaver/freeze.


--
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These seats blow heated air onto their backside in the winter and
cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
seats
are modified to just blow smoke up the voter's rump year-round

"Nonny" > wrote in message
...
> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd opted
> for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW, the cylinder I
> bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I took it to the compressed
> gas guys, they offered to either fill my own cylinder, or let me just
> "exchange" it for a 53cf one already filled and for the same price. I
> asked about what a new 53 would have cost if I'd just walked in, and it
> was $160, so I got a good deal, so to speak.
>
> Once back home with the filled 53cf cylinder, I hit Harbor Freight and
> bought a 25', 3/8", compressed air line. By cutting one end off, I fit
> the barbed fitting on the pressure regulator and the other end screwed
> nicely into the air blow gun I got at Harbor Freight while getting the
> line. I went behind the refrigerator and drilled into the wall, coming
> out in the spare bedroom behind the kitchen. It was perfect, in that the
> cylinder was thus between the end of a dresser and the wall- hidden but
> very accessible.
>
> I snake the line to behind the refrigerator, where it now sits
> self-coiled. I set the pressure regulator to 15psi and that seemed about
> right to blow in nitrogen, without blowing out liquids or dry things from
> a baggie.
>
> Tonight, we had bean soup and I put the remainder into two 2-qt.
> Tupperware containers. Just before sealing the lid, I gave each a brief
> squirt of Nitrogen to keep them fresher in the refrigerator.
>
> Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that they'll "blend"
> nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended price. That'd give
> me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2 and able to sit
> on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage, that should be
> somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.

Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be using carbon
monoxide.

In article >,
"Wallace" > wrote:

> > Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that they'll "blend"
> > nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended price. That'd give
> > me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2 and able to sit
> > on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage, that should be
> > somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.
>
> Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be using carbon
> monoxide.

<coughs> Watch out what you put on usenet please. He might take you
seriously. Not everybody knows that CO is a deadly poison.

Carbon DIoxide, maybe. It'd certainly be cheaper.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Wallace" > wrote:
>
>> > Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that
>> > they'll "blend"
>> > nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended price.
>> > That'd give
>> > me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2 and
>> > able to sit
>> > on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage, that
>> > should be
>> > somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.
>>
>> Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be using
>> carbon
>> monoxide.
>
> <coughs> Watch out what you put on usenet please. He might take
> you
> seriously. Not everybody knows that CO is a deadly poison.
>
> Carbon DIoxide, maybe. It'd certainly be cheaper.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put
> their foot down."
> --Steve Rothstein
>
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> Subscribe:

Gosh, I was thinking more along the line of Acetylene, Bromine or
Florine. <kidding of course> I'm surprised that someone hasn't
suggested using Ozone.

--
Nonny


Luxury cars now offer a great seating option for politicians.
These seats blow heated air onto their backside in the winter and
cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
seats
are modified to just blow smoke up the voter’s rump year-round

"Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in
message ...
> So are you going to do a spoilage comparison, with identical
> foods in
> identical containers, one with the Nitrogen squrt, and one
> without?
>

Dunno, Marty. I'd not thought of it. It's a good idea and could
be fun to try. Perhaps I'll do just that with some cheese or a
slice of bread. That's a good idea, thanks. I might leave the
comparisons out on the counter or in the garage to speed the test
along.

--
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Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> Nonny said:
>> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd
>> opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW,
>> the cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I
>> took it to the compressed gas guys, they offered to either fill my
>> own cylinder, or let me just "exchange" it for a 53cf one already
>> filled and for the same price. I asked about what a new 53 would
>> have cost if I'd just walked in, and it was $160, so I got a good
>> deal, so to speak.
>>
>> Once back home with the filled 53cf cylinder, I hit Harbor Freight
>> and bought a 25', 3/8", compressed air line. By cutting one end
>> off, I fit the barbed fitting on the pressure regulator and the
>> other end screwed nicely into the air blow gun I got at Harbor
>> Freight while getting the line. I went behind the refrigerator
>> and drilled into the wall, coming out in the spare bedroom behind
>> the kitchen. It was perfect, in that the cylinder was thus
>> between the end of a dresser and the wall- hidden but very
>> accessible.
>
> The most amazing part of this is that you drilled holes in your walls
> and put a compressed gas contraption in a bedroom, and Mrs. Nonny
> apparently hasn't killed you yet!

ROTFLOL!!!!

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

"Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in
message -
>
> The most amazing part of this is that you drilled holes in your
> walls and
> put a compressed gas contraption in a bedroom, and Mrs. Nonny
> apparently
> hasn't killed you yet!

As the long-suffering Mrs. Nonny says, "You just gotta'
understand." She and I met before kindergarten and during the
first grade, she'd beat me up after school. Finally another
friend asked her to "Please don't kill Nonny, because he's a nice
boy." Since then, there's been a kind of "peace" between us and
has lasted for most of our 43 years of marriage. She's suffered
through many of my adventures, such as building a boiler in our
fireplace so we could heat the house with firewood, a heat
reclamation gizmo that looked like a canon I used to blow excess
heat into a room I'd built, a solar panel that traveled clear
across our neighborhood during a storm, a Jim Beams dispenser in
my '57 Ford for when we were dating, other things I'd done to cars
that just can't be described, lawn care equipment that could have
gotten me arrested in several states, security and other
electronics that would have done NASA proud, cooking devices that
should be registered as lethal weapons and a number of even more
bizarre things. Nope, Marty, a hole in her cabinet and the wall,
coupled with a 55cf cylinder and regulator beside a dresser ain't
nothin' compared to what that poor woman's seen and lived with in
the past.

--
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Luxury cars now offer a great seating option for politicians.
These seats blow heated air onto their backside in the winter and
cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
seats
are modified to just blow smoke up the voter's rump year-round

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Wallace" > wrote:
>
>> > Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that they'll
>> > "blend"
>> > nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended price. That'd
>> > give
>> > me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2 and able to
>> > sit
>> > on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage, that should be
>> > somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.
>>
>> Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be using carbon
>> monoxide.
>
> <coughs> Watch out what you put on usenet please. He might take you
> seriously. Not everybody knows that CO is a deadly poison.
>
> Carbon DIoxide, maybe. It'd certainly be cheaper.
> --
> Peace! Om

No., CO is ok in some uses. While it can be deadly, it has to be in certain
concentrations. Monoxide is used in places you'd not expect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide
Meat coloring
Carbon monoxide is used in modified atmosphere packaging systems in the US,
mainly with fresh meat products such as beef, pork, and fish to keep them
looking fresh. The carbon monoxide combines with myoglobin to form
carboxymyoglobin, a bright cherry red pigment. Carboxymyoglobin is more
stable than the oxygenated form of myoglobin, oxymyoglobin, which can become
oxidized to the brown pigment, metmyoglobin. This stable red color can
persist much longer than in normally packaged meat.[31] Typical levels of
carbon monoxide used in the facilities that use this process are between
0.4% to 0.5%.

The technology was first given "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) status
by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 2002 for use as a
secondary packaging system, and does not require labeling. In 2004 the FDA
approved CO as primary packaging method, declaring that CO does not mask
spoilage odor.[32] Despite this ruling, the process remains controversial
for fears that it masks spoilage.[33] In 2007 a bill[34] was introduced to
the United States House of Representatives to label modified atmosphere
carbon monoxide packaging as a color additive, but the bill died in
subcommittee. The process is banned in many other countries, including
Canada, Japan, Singapore and the European Union.[35][36][37]

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> No., CO is ok in some uses. While it can be deadly, it has to be in certain
> concentrations. Monoxide is used in places you'd not expect.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide
> Meat coloring
> Carbon monoxide is used in modified atmosphere packaging systems in the US,
> mainly with fresh meat products such as beef, pork, and fish to keep them
> looking fresh. The carbon monoxide combines with myoglobin to form

Oh! I'd forgotten about that one. There was a big stink about it awhile
back. :-) Thanks for the reminder!
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Nonny wrote:
>
> "Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nonny wrote:
>>> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd
>>> opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW, the
>>> cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I took it to the
>> <snipped probably most of the important stuff - sorry >
>>
>>
>> Nonny,
>>
>> I think this is a great experiment, but this will be better than
>> vacuum sealing and tossing it a -20dF freezer because.....
>
> I'm no expert, Steve, so my opinion is not worth too much. What I want
> is two ways to retain freshness- the Foodsaver is like you suggest, in
> that you remove almost all the air and store foods in a freezer inside a
> bag that virtually eliminates moisture or air exchange with the outside

Thank you for the very informative reply!! NOW I understand where
you're "coming from". I'll be interested in hearing results of things
like the 1/2 sandwich experiment. My experience in trying to save 1/2
sandwiches in baggies in the fridge is that they get soggy. Don't know
if the nit. would help that or not.

--
Steve

Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
> So are you going to do a spoilage comparison, with identical foods in
> identical containers, one with the Nitrogen squrt, and one without?
>
> MartyB

I did that once. I took sliced bananas that I was going to use to
garnish some banana creme brulee, divided into three containers, one
control with nothing but a lid, one with acidulated water, and one
nitrogen purged. Several hours later, the control was pretty discolored
and ugly, the acidulated water one wasn't discolored, but it was mushy,
and the nitrogen one looked pretty much the same as when I packed it.

Nonny wrote:
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Wallace" > wrote:
> >
> >> > Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that
> >> > they'll "blend"
> >> > nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended price.
> >> > That'd give
> >> > me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2 and
> >> > able to sit
> >> > on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage, that
> >> > should be
> >> > somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.
> >>
> >> Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be using
> >> carbon
> >> monoxide.
> >
> > <coughs> Watch out what you put on usenet please. He might take
> > you
> > seriously. Not everybody knows that CO is a deadly poison.
> >
> > Carbon DIoxide, maybe. It'd certainly be cheaper.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> > "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put
> > their foot down."
> > --Steve Rothstein
> >
> > Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> >
> > Subscribe:
>
> Gosh, I was thinking more along the line of Acetylene, Bromine or
> Florine. <kidding of course> I'm surprised that someone hasn't
> suggested using Ozone.

If you do acetylene, be sure to pressurize it to at least 30 PSI or it
won't work... Pay no attention to the big red "danger" on the regulator
gauge from 15 PSI up...

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
>> No., CO is ok in some uses. While it can be deadly, it has to be in
>> certain
>> concentrations. Monoxide is used in places you'd not expect.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide
>> Meat coloring
>> Carbon monoxide is used in modified atmosphere packaging systems in the
>> US,
>> mainly with fresh meat products such as beef, pork, and fish to keep them
>> looking fresh. The carbon monoxide combines with myoglobin to form
>
> Oh! I'd forgotten about that one. There was a big stink about it awhile
> back. :-) Thanks for the reminder!


DANG IT! That was way too easy. No flames generated this time.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>
>> So are you going to do a spoilage comparison, with identical
>> foods in
>> identical containers, one with the Nitrogen squrt, and one
>> without?
>>
>> MartyB
>
> I did that once. I took sliced bananas that I was going to use
> to
> garnish some banana creme brulee, divided into three containers,
> one
> control with nothing but a lid, one with acidulated water, and
> one
> nitrogen purged. Several hours later, the control was pretty
> discolored
> and ugly, the acidulated water one wasn't discolored, but it was
> mushy,
> and the nitrogen one looked pretty much the same as when I
> packed it.

The half of a banana left over from my oatmeal <shudder> for
breakfast is enjoying a nitrogen bath. So far, it looks good as
new.

We had breaded pork tenderloin sandwiches tonight for supper.
While I Foodsavered most of the batch, the two "half" sandwiches
left over are nitrogened and in the refrigerator awaiting
breakfast call tomorrow AM. Over a short period like that, I
don't really expect any improvement or degredation. However, it's
fun to play with the new toy. Mrs. Nonny's <shudder> whole wheat
bread is nitrogen purged as well.

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cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
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"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Nonny wrote:
>>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > "Wallace" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Once I've used up this first fill of Nitrogen, I find that
>> >> > they'll "blend"
>> >> > nitrogen and argon in the bottle for me at the blended
>> >> > price.
>> >> > That'd give
>> >> > me another gas in the mix, but one a tad heavier than O2
>> >> > and
>> >> > able to sit
>> >> > on top of liquids better. At my expected rate of usage,
>> >> > that
>> >> > should be
>> >> > somewhere in about 2012 or so- after the Apocalypse.
>> >>
>> >> Nice, but instead of nitrogen and/or argon, you should be
>> >> using
>> >> carbon
>> >> monoxide.
>> >
>> > <coughs> Watch out what you put on usenet please. He might
>> > take
>> > you
>> > seriously. Not everybody knows that CO is a deadly poison.
>> >
>> > Carbon DIoxide, maybe. It'd certainly be cheaper.
>> > --
>> > Peace! Om
>> >
>> > "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they
>> > put
>> > their foot down."
>> > --Steve Rothstein
>> >
>> > Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>> >
>> > Subscribe:
>>
>> Gosh, I was thinking more along the line of Acetylene, Bromine
>> or
>> Florine. <kidding of course> I'm surprised that someone hasn't
>> suggested using Ozone.
>
> If you do acetylene, be sure to pressurize it to at least 30 PSI
> or it
> won't work... Pay no attention to the big red "danger" on the
> regulator
> gauge from 15 PSI up...

Would it be safe to use around the stove? I prefer my acetylene
warm.

--
Nonny


Luxury cars now offer a great seating option for politicians.
These seats blow heated air onto their backside in the winter and
cooled air in the summer. If sold to voters, though, the car
seats
are modified to just blow smoke up the voter's rump year-round

In article >,
"Wallace" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> >
> >> No., CO is ok in some uses. While it can be deadly, it has to be in
> >> certain
> >> concentrations. Monoxide is used in places you'd not expect.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide
> >> Meat coloring
> >> Carbon monoxide is used in modified atmosphere packaging systems in the
> >> US,
> >> mainly with fresh meat products such as beef, pork, and fish to keep them
> >> looking fresh. The carbon monoxide combines with myoglobin to form
> >
> > Oh! I'd forgotten about that one. There was a big stink about it awhile
> > back. :-) Thanks for the reminder!
>
>
> DANG IT! That was way too easy. No flames generated this time.

The day is young... <g>
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Nonny wrote:
>
> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if I'd
> opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50. FWIW,
> the cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I
> took it to the compressed gas guys, they offered to either fill my
> own cylinder, or let me just "exchange" it for a 53cf one already
> filled and for the same price. I asked about what a new 53 would
> have cost if I'd just walked in, and it was $160, so I got a good
> deal, so to speak.

You should look for better prices for gas. I pay $25 to fill my 25 liter
LN2 Dewar which will produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas. I don't
know the compressed nitrogen prices off hand since I don't use it, but I
just swapped my 80CF Argon cylinder for a full today and paid $22.50.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Nonny wrote:
>>
>> The cost of filling the cylinder was $26 for Nitrogen, and if
>> I'd
>> opted for Argon, the cost would have been just under $50.
>> FWIW,
>> the cylinder I bought for around $68 on eBay was 40cf. When I
>> took it to the compressed gas guys, they offered to either fill
>> my
>> own cylinder, or let me just "exchange" it for a 53cf one
>> already
>> filled and for the same price. I asked about what a new 53
>> would
>> have cost if I'd just walked in, and it was $160, so I got a
>> good
>> deal, so to speak.
>
> You should look for better prices for gas. I pay $25 to fill my
> 25 liter
> LN2 Dewar which will produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
> I don't
> know the compressed nitrogen prices off hand since I don't use
> it, but I
> just swapped my 80CF Argon cylinder for a full today and paid
> $22.50.

Wow, the liquid Nitrogen would be fun to play with and I could use
it to nuke all of my and the neighborhood friend's age spots. The
cost of a 55cf Argon refill was just south of $50 here. As you
suggest, I'll look around.

--
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When we talk to God, we're praying,
but when God talks to us,
we're schizophrenic.
What's the deal?

Dear Nonny:

On Mar 12, 3:08*pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
....
> > You should look for better prices for gas. I pay
> > $25 to fill my 25 liter LN2 Dewar which will
> > produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
....
>
> Wow, the liquid Nitrogen would be fun to play with
> and I could use it to nuke all of my and the
> neighborhood friend's age spots. *The cost of a
> 55cf Argon refill was just south of $50 here. *As
> you suggest, I'll look around.

A word of caution with the liquid gases. They will evaporate at a
pretty constant rate, so if your demands aren't high, you'll be
wasting money.

Second they will be releasing cold gases than can easily displace
oxygen from a room, from the floor up. This can lead to
unconsciousness and death.

And carbon monoxide is used to kill fish in water, and keep their meat
with an attractive color. So though it is dangerous to work with / be
around, and it provides little antibiotic protection, it is not
unknown to flood foods with it.

David A. Smith

dlzc wrote:
> Dear Nonny:
>
> On Mar 12, 3:08 pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>>> You should look for better prices for gas. I pay
>>> $25 to fill my 25 liter LN2 Dewar which will
>>> produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
> ...
>> Wow, the liquid Nitrogen would be fun to play with
>> and I could use it to nuke all of my and the
>> neighborhood friend's age spots. The cost of a
>> 55cf Argon refill was just south of $50 here. As
>> you suggest, I'll look around.
>
> A word of caution with the liquid gases. They will evaporate at a
> pretty constant rate, so if your demands aren't high, you'll be
> wasting money.
>
> Second they will be releasing cold gases than can easily displace
> oxygen from a room, from the floor up. This can lead to
> unconsciousness and death.
>
> And carbon monoxide is used to kill fish in water, and keep their meat
> with an attractive color. So though it is dangerous to work with / be
> around, and it provides little antibiotic protection, it is not
> unknown to flood foods with it.
>
> David A. Smith

Hello... it's in a sealed pressurized tank with a safety flow regulator
on it.... Man... talk about paranoid...

--
Steve

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
> dlzc wrote:
>> Dear Nonny:
>>
>> On Mar 12, 3:08 pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> You should look for better prices for gas. I pay
>>>> $25 to fill my 25 liter LN2 Dewar which will
>>>> produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
>> ...
>>> Wow, the liquid Nitrogen would be fun to play with
>>> and I could use it to nuke all of my and the
>>> neighborhood friend's age spots. The cost of a
>>> 55cf Argon refill was just south of $50 here. As
>>> you suggest, I'll look around.
>>
>> A word of caution with the liquid gases. They will evaporate
>> at a
>> pretty constant rate, so if your demands aren't high, you'll be
>> wasting money.
>>
>> Second they will be releasing cold gases than can easily
>> displace
>> oxygen from a room, from the floor up. This can lead to
>> unconsciousness and death.
>>
>> And carbon monoxide is used to kill fish in water, and keep
>> their meat
>> with an attractive color. So though it is dangerous to work
>> with / be
>> around, and it provides little antibiotic protection, it is not
>> unknown to flood foods with it.
>>
>> David A. Smith
>
> Hello... it's in a sealed pressurized tank with a safety flow
> regulator on it.... Man... talk about paranoid...
>
> --
> Steve


It doesn't matter. If someone would post about running water into
a cup to drink, some dildo would post about the dangers of running
water, cups or drinking water. This is Usenet and these kinds of
idiots abound.

--
Nonny
When we talk to God, we're praying,
but when God talks to us,
we're schizophrenic.
What's the deal?

snip

>It doesn't matter. If someone would post about running water into
>a cup to drink, some dildo would post about the dangers of running
>water, cups or drinking water. This is Usenet and these kinds of
>idiots abound.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/dhmo.htm


Hehehehehee

Call me dildo

Gene


http://www.nowyourcooking.net/

"If people let government decide
what foods they eat and what medicines
they take, their bodies will soon be
in as sorry a state as are the souls of
those who live under tyranny"

"Thomas Jefferson"

Nonny wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter. If someone would post about running water into a cup
> to drink, some dildo would post about the dangers of running water, cups
> or drinking water. This is Usenet and these kinds of idiots abound.
>

Yeah, I know... I've been around usenet for a long time but sometimes
people still just f-ing amaze me.

"... but I read it on the internet so it MUST be true..."

--
Steve

In article >,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Nonny wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't matter. If someone would post about running water into a cup
> > to drink, some dildo would post about the dangers of running water, cups
> > or drinking water. This is Usenet and these kinds of idiots abound.
> >
>
> Yeah, I know... I've been around usenet for a long time but sometimes
> people still just f-ing amaze me.
>
> "... but I read it on the internet so it MUST be true..."

Those are usually newbies. :-)

I can hardly wait to try MSG in a BBQ rub... ;-d
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein

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Dear Steve Calvin:

On Mar 15, 4:58*pm, Steve Calvin > wrote:
> dlzc wrote:
> > Dear Nonny:
>
> > On Mar 12, 3:08 pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>> You should look for better prices for gas. I pay
> >>> $25 to fill my 25 liter LN2 Dewar which will
> >>> produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
....
> > A word of caution with the liquid gases. *They will
> > evaporate at a pretty constant rate, so if your
> > demands aren't high, you'll be wasting money.
>
> > Second they will be releasing cold gases than
> > can easily displace oxygen from a room, from
> > the floor up. *This can lead to unconsciousness
> > and death.
>
> Hello... it's in a sealed pressurized tank with a
> safety flow regulator on it.... Man... talk about
> paranoid...

Dewars of liquid nitrogen are NOT available in that package. Or that
package weighs tons, and has foot thick walls. Please keep your eye
on the ball. People have been killed by being unaware of consequences
of "saving a buck", or "playing with cool stuff".

Like talking to a bunch of know-it-all four year olds...

David A. Smith

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> dlzc wrote:
> > Dear Nonny:
> >
> > On Mar 12, 3:08 pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>> You should look for better prices for gas. I pay
> >>> $25 to fill my 25 liter LN2 Dewar which will
> >>> produce hundreds of CF of dry nitrogen gas.
> > ...
> >> Wow, the liquid Nitrogen would be fun to play with
> >> and I could use it to nuke all of my and the
> >> neighborhood friend's age spots. The cost of a
> >> 55cf Argon refill was just south of $50 here. As
> >> you suggest, I'll look around.
> >
> > A word of caution with the liquid gases. They will evaporate at a
> > pretty constant rate, so if your demands aren't high, you'll be
> > wasting money.
> >
> > Second they will be releasing cold gases than can easily displace
> > oxygen from a room, from the floor up. This can lead to
> > unconsciousness and death.
> >
> > And carbon monoxide is used to kill fish in water, and keep their meat
> > with an attractive color. So though it is dangerous to work with / be
> > around, and it provides little antibiotic protection, it is not
> > unknown to flood foods with it.
> >
> > David A. Smith
>
> Hello... it's in a sealed pressurized tank with a safety flow regulator
> on it.... Man... talk about paranoid...

Actually, he was referring to my LN2 Dewar on part of that. Yes, liquid
nitrogen does have a finite hold time in a Dewar (100 day static hold
time on my 25L Dewar), so you need to use it or loose it as it continues
to slowly boil off and vent through the pressure relief valve.
Compressed nitrogen gas in a cylinder has essentially infinite hold
time.

Yes the vented nitrogen can displace air/Oxygen if the Dewar is in an
enclosed space. Mine sits in the corner of my Kitchen most times and
with there is plenty of both room volume and air movement to prevent any
accumulation of a low hanging nitrogen layer.