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BGE or Kamado
Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool.
There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. fatsam |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:43:16 -0500, "fatsam"
> wrote: >Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > >There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) >and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc Kamado has made noise from time to time about dealerships, but as far as I know there are none. You have to buy direct from the factory. Be sure you google on Kamado and customer service in this groups, so you know what you're getting into. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:43:16 -0500, "fatsam"
> wrote: >Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > >There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) >and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc Kamado has made noise from time to time about dealerships, but as far as I know there are none. You have to buy direct from the factory. Be sure you google on Kamado and customer service in this groups, so you know what you're getting into. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho "When you can't do something completely impractical and intrinsically useless *yourself*, you go get the Kibologists to do it for you." --J. Furr |
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Go for the "K".Both are good products but the "K" gets the nod.
They have a deal on the tiled models right now and promise del. by Christmas. (This year) |
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Go for the "K".Both are good products but the "K" gets the nod.
They have a deal on the tiled models right now and promise del. by Christmas. (This year) |
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fatsam wrote: > Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > > There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) > and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > > There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > > fatsam > > AFAIK, Kamado sells directly to the consumer. No dealers. I saw a Primo Kamado at the Outdoor Cooking Store in White Bear Lake. It looks exactly the same as the Kamado. The unit in the store was sitting directly on the floor and was very low. Not sure if anything is avaialable to have it sit higher. Will consider this unit when my WSM no longer serves its' purpose well. About 20 years I expect :-) Happy Q'en, BBQ |
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fatsam wrote: > Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > > There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) > and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > > There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > > fatsam > > AFAIK, Kamado sells directly to the consumer. No dealers. I saw a Primo Kamado at the Outdoor Cooking Store in White Bear Lake. It looks exactly the same as the Kamado. The unit in the store was sitting directly on the floor and was very low. Not sure if anything is avaialable to have it sit higher. Will consider this unit when my WSM no longer serves its' purpose well. About 20 years I expect :-) Happy Q'en, BBQ |
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I thought the BGE was cool also, but I ordered a Kamado 7 and it is, I feel, a
better buy for the $$. One thing to consider though, is that communicating with Kamado and dealing with their customer service has all the charm of dealing with trainee orientation day at the Division of Motor Vehicles. YMMV. |
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I thought the BGE was cool also, but I ordered a Kamado 7 and it is, I feel, a
better buy for the $$. One thing to consider though, is that communicating with Kamado and dealing with their customer service has all the charm of dealing with trainee orientation day at the Division of Motor Vehicles. YMMV. |
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I thought the BGE was cool also, but I ordered a Kamado 7 and it is, I feel, a
better buy for the $$. One thing to consider though, is that communicating with Kamado and dealing with their customer service has all the charm of dealing with trainee orientation day at the Division of Motor Vehicles. YMMV. |
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I bought a Primo Kamado. Firebox has a lifetime warranty. If I had to do it
over again, I would do it all over again. "fatsam" > wrote in message ... > Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > > There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) > and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > > There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > > fatsam > > |
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>> I bought a Primo Kamado.
Just found out we have a dealer in town. Need to stop by and take a look at them... |
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>> I bought a Primo Kamado.
Just found out we have a dealer in town. Need to stop by and take a look at them... |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:43:16 -0500, "fatsam"
> wrote: >Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > >There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) >and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > >There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > >fatsam > I have both a Kamado #9 and a Primo egg-type ceramic cooker. They are both quality products and you can certainly make nice barbecue on both of them. The Kamado #9 has a significantly larger grill area (other Kamado models would be closer to the same size). This is a big advantage for me since I don't cook BBQ often, but when I do I always seem to be feeding a couple dozen people. The Kamado is thicker and it seems to me that it is easier to control the temperature. Perhaps the thicker ceramic stabilizes the temperature somewhat. YMMV. It is a heavy-duty unit and appears built to pass on to my descendants. It is physically beautiful to my eye and would make an interesting piece of yard art all on its own. It took about six months to get the Kamado. It arrived with a critical part missing. The replacement part that arrived a week later didn't fit. The side table wouldn't fold down properly until I gave it the business with a power grinder. Ultimately everything got straightened out and the Kamado works great. If you decide to order the Kamado, go in with the expectation that there will be service problems. Think of them as stories you'll ultimately be able to tell your friends while you barbecue. The problems seem to have more to do with bumbling execution than poor attitude (e.g., the Kamado people I have spoken to have been uniformly courteous and seemingly anxious to resolve my problems). For some reason, this makes me (a little) more willing to cut them some slack. At the time of your order, Kamado may make a prediction as to when it will be ready. It's best to disregard this information. At some point, you'll probably feel compelled to call them up and ask if they lost your order. (BTW, when I say "call" that's what you have to do. Merely leaving a message on their answering machine will only get your hopes up. I left three messages, each of which they ignored, before I figured out that you have to call repeatedly until a person answers the phone). In my experience, they have not lost the order and will in fact offer a revised shipping estimate, which you should also disregard. In my case, I waited what I thought was a suitable interval and called a third time, whereupon I was told that my Kamado was sitting in the warehouse ready to ship on the following Tuesday. I believed this, which was a mistake, but I didn't take any action based on the statement being true, which was prudent. The unit did not actually ship for another couple of months. The right attitude is: The Kamado will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado Corporation can do to change this. There were a variety of screw ups on the billing, but these were all ultimately resolved. I had to write some letters and make some phone calls, but in the end I was charged the agreed-upon amount. The way it works is that you pay half the bill at the time you place the order and the other half when the Kamado is delivered. Delivery can take so long that you've pretty much forgotten about paying half up-front and the final bill makes you feel like you are getting the Kamado at half price. Sort of. I seen other owners suggest that dealing with Kamado was in some sense Kafkaesque. To me, Kafka suggests an underlying indifference to human concerns, perhaps even some sort of malevolence. I think that exaggerates the case with Kamado. After some consideration, my preferred metaphor is the Three Stooges. Imagine if Moe, Larry and Curly were put in charge of a factory that mysteriously turned out the world's best BBQ units. Sit back and enjoy the experience. Take notes so that you can tell the stories better. I have never had the kind of customer service problems I had with Kamado. If I had these problems with, say, a computer manufacturer, I'd be going to some trouble to warn everyone else off doing business with them. I really don't feel that way about the Kamado, however. I'm glad I bought it, and I'd probably buy it again. I'm greatly relieved that I probably won't need to. I bought the Primo before the Kamado and have had good experiences with it. The main reason I ultimately also bought the Kamado was the size of the grilling area. The usable cooking area on the Kamado #9 with three levels of grills is perhaps five times that of my Primo. I still use the Primo sometimes for smaller BBQ burns and it produces good-tasting food. I have nothing bad to say about the product, which was on my back patio the day I decided I wanted one. The store that sold it to me was located nearby and I feel certain that had I suffered any problems with the Primo (I didn't), they would have helped me get them fixed. I have never used a BGE myself but I've seen them in some of the local stores. They appear to me to be approximately comparable to the Primo in size, composition and quality. Perhaps a BGE owner can provide more information here. Good luck to you. You should be able to get fine results out of either of the cookers. |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:43:16 -0500, "fatsam"
> wrote: >Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > >There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) >and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > >There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > >fatsam > I have both a Kamado #9 and a Primo egg-type ceramic cooker. They are both quality products and you can certainly make nice barbecue on both of them. The Kamado #9 has a significantly larger grill area (other Kamado models would be closer to the same size). This is a big advantage for me since I don't cook BBQ often, but when I do I always seem to be feeding a couple dozen people. The Kamado is thicker and it seems to me that it is easier to control the temperature. Perhaps the thicker ceramic stabilizes the temperature somewhat. YMMV. It is a heavy-duty unit and appears built to pass on to my descendants. It is physically beautiful to my eye and would make an interesting piece of yard art all on its own. It took about six months to get the Kamado. It arrived with a critical part missing. The replacement part that arrived a week later didn't fit. The side table wouldn't fold down properly until I gave it the business with a power grinder. Ultimately everything got straightened out and the Kamado works great. If you decide to order the Kamado, go in with the expectation that there will be service problems. Think of them as stories you'll ultimately be able to tell your friends while you barbecue. The problems seem to have more to do with bumbling execution than poor attitude (e.g., the Kamado people I have spoken to have been uniformly courteous and seemingly anxious to resolve my problems). For some reason, this makes me (a little) more willing to cut them some slack. At the time of your order, Kamado may make a prediction as to when it will be ready. It's best to disregard this information. At some point, you'll probably feel compelled to call them up and ask if they lost your order. (BTW, when I say "call" that's what you have to do. Merely leaving a message on their answering machine will only get your hopes up. I left three messages, each of which they ignored, before I figured out that you have to call repeatedly until a person answers the phone). In my experience, they have not lost the order and will in fact offer a revised shipping estimate, which you should also disregard. In my case, I waited what I thought was a suitable interval and called a third time, whereupon I was told that my Kamado was sitting in the warehouse ready to ship on the following Tuesday. I believed this, which was a mistake, but I didn't take any action based on the statement being true, which was prudent. The unit did not actually ship for another couple of months. The right attitude is: The Kamado will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado Corporation can do to change this. There were a variety of screw ups on the billing, but these were all ultimately resolved. I had to write some letters and make some phone calls, but in the end I was charged the agreed-upon amount. The way it works is that you pay half the bill at the time you place the order and the other half when the Kamado is delivered. Delivery can take so long that you've pretty much forgotten about paying half up-front and the final bill makes you feel like you are getting the Kamado at half price. Sort of. I seen other owners suggest that dealing with Kamado was in some sense Kafkaesque. To me, Kafka suggests an underlying indifference to human concerns, perhaps even some sort of malevolence. I think that exaggerates the case with Kamado. After some consideration, my preferred metaphor is the Three Stooges. Imagine if Moe, Larry and Curly were put in charge of a factory that mysteriously turned out the world's best BBQ units. Sit back and enjoy the experience. Take notes so that you can tell the stories better. I have never had the kind of customer service problems I had with Kamado. If I had these problems with, say, a computer manufacturer, I'd be going to some trouble to warn everyone else off doing business with them. I really don't feel that way about the Kamado, however. I'm glad I bought it, and I'd probably buy it again. I'm greatly relieved that I probably won't need to. I bought the Primo before the Kamado and have had good experiences with it. The main reason I ultimately also bought the Kamado was the size of the grilling area. The usable cooking area on the Kamado #9 with three levels of grills is perhaps five times that of my Primo. I still use the Primo sometimes for smaller BBQ burns and it produces good-tasting food. I have nothing bad to say about the product, which was on my back patio the day I decided I wanted one. The store that sold it to me was located nearby and I feel certain that had I suffered any problems with the Primo (I didn't), they would have helped me get them fixed. I have never used a BGE myself but I've seen them in some of the local stores. They appear to me to be approximately comparable to the Primo in size, composition and quality. Perhaps a BGE owner can provide more information here. Good luck to you. You should be able to get fine results out of either of the cookers. |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:43:16 -0500, "fatsam"
> wrote: >Just looked at a BGE it seemed pretty cool. > >There doesn't appear to be a Kamado dealer anywhere in town (Minneapolis) >and I was wondereding how they compare for size, function, etc > >There is also a Primo dealer in town , but I haven't gotten there yet. > >fatsam > I have both a Kamado #9 and a Primo egg-type ceramic cooker. They are both quality products and you can certainly make nice barbecue on both of them. The Kamado #9 has a significantly larger grill area (other Kamado models would be closer to the same size). This is a big advantage for me since I don't cook BBQ often, but when I do I always seem to be feeding a couple dozen people. The Kamado is thicker and it seems to me that it is easier to control the temperature. Perhaps the thicker ceramic stabilizes the temperature somewhat. YMMV. It is a heavy-duty unit and appears built to pass on to my descendants. It is physically beautiful to my eye and would make an interesting piece of yard art all on its own. It took about six months to get the Kamado. It arrived with a critical part missing. The replacement part that arrived a week later didn't fit. The side table wouldn't fold down properly until I gave it the business with a power grinder. Ultimately everything got straightened out and the Kamado works great. If you decide to order the Kamado, go in with the expectation that there will be service problems. Think of them as stories you'll ultimately be able to tell your friends while you barbecue. The problems seem to have more to do with bumbling execution than poor attitude (e.g., the Kamado people I have spoken to have been uniformly courteous and seemingly anxious to resolve my problems). For some reason, this makes me (a little) more willing to cut them some slack. At the time of your order, Kamado may make a prediction as to when it will be ready. It's best to disregard this information. At some point, you'll probably feel compelled to call them up and ask if they lost your order. (BTW, when I say "call" that's what you have to do. Merely leaving a message on their answering machine will only get your hopes up. I left three messages, each of which they ignored, before I figured out that you have to call repeatedly until a person answers the phone). In my experience, they have not lost the order and will in fact offer a revised shipping estimate, which you should also disregard. In my case, I waited what I thought was a suitable interval and called a third time, whereupon I was told that my Kamado was sitting in the warehouse ready to ship on the following Tuesday. I believed this, which was a mistake, but I didn't take any action based on the statement being true, which was prudent. The unit did not actually ship for another couple of months. The right attitude is: The Kamado will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado Corporation can do to change this. There were a variety of screw ups on the billing, but these were all ultimately resolved. I had to write some letters and make some phone calls, but in the end I was charged the agreed-upon amount. The way it works is that you pay half the bill at the time you place the order and the other half when the Kamado is delivered. Delivery can take so long that you've pretty much forgotten about paying half up-front and the final bill makes you feel like you are getting the Kamado at half price. Sort of. I seen other owners suggest that dealing with Kamado was in some sense Kafkaesque. To me, Kafka suggests an underlying indifference to human concerns, perhaps even some sort of malevolence. I think that exaggerates the case with Kamado. After some consideration, my preferred metaphor is the Three Stooges. Imagine if Moe, Larry and Curly were put in charge of a factory that mysteriously turned out the world's best BBQ units. Sit back and enjoy the experience. Take notes so that you can tell the stories better. I have never had the kind of customer service problems I had with Kamado. If I had these problems with, say, a computer manufacturer, I'd be going to some trouble to warn everyone else off doing business with them. I really don't feel that way about the Kamado, however. I'm glad I bought it, and I'd probably buy it again. I'm greatly relieved that I probably won't need to. I bought the Primo before the Kamado and have had good experiences with it. The main reason I ultimately also bought the Kamado was the size of the grilling area. The usable cooking area on the Kamado #9 with three levels of grills is perhaps five times that of my Primo. I still use the Primo sometimes for smaller BBQ burns and it produces good-tasting food. I have nothing bad to say about the product, which was on my back patio the day I decided I wanted one. The store that sold it to me was located nearby and I feel certain that had I suffered any problems with the Primo (I didn't), they would have helped me get them fixed. I have never used a BGE myself but I've seen them in some of the local stores. They appear to me to be approximately comparable to the Primo in size, composition and quality. Perhaps a BGE owner can provide more information here. Good luck to you. You should be able to get fine results out of either of the cookers. |
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Radar wrote:
> ........... The right attitude is: The Kamado > will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, > Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado > Corporation can do to change this. Radar, this was the funnest read of someone's customer-service observations with Kamado. It certainly captures the Kamado Kustomer Kare Kuirkiness. I do believe that the largest-sized BGE is about the same size as the Kamado #5. Making the #'s 7, 9, and 11 all bigger. Dave |
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Radar wrote:
> ........... The right attitude is: The Kamado > will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, > Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado > Corporation can do to change this. Radar, this was the funnest read of someone's customer-service observations with Kamado. It certainly captures the Kamado Kustomer Kare Kuirkiness. I do believe that the largest-sized BGE is about the same size as the Kamado #5. Making the #'s 7, 9, and 11 all bigger. Dave |
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Radar wrote:
> > If you decide to order the Kamado, go in with the expectation that > there will be service problems. Think of them as stories you'll > ultimately be able to tell your friends while you barbecue. Which makes it a good thing that they sell an item that one uses to barbecue- if they made microwave ovens, there wouldn't be enough time to get through all the stories... |
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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:58:38 -0700, "Dave Bugg"
<deebuggatcharterdotnet> wrote: >Radar wrote: > >> ........... The right attitude is: The Kamado >> will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, >> Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado >> Corporation can do to change this. > >Radar, this was the funnest read of someone's customer-service observations >with Kamado. It certainly captures the Kamado Kustomer Kare Kuirkiness. I >do believe that the largest-sized BGE is about the same size as the Kamado >#5. Making the #'s 7, 9, and 11 all bigger. >Dave > Kamado #5 about the same size as BGE. That sounds right to me, based on the pictures on the Kamado website and the BGE (and Primo) units I've seen in the stores. Kamado has the multiple level grilling accessories for its units. I haven't seen any for the Primo or BGE, but 1) they might exist and have escaped my notice; or 2) you might be able to rig some up without much trouble. These days, I often use the mushikamado grill (the one with the big hole in the middle) on the Kamado. I bought this gigantic cast iron pot (calling it a cauldron wouldn't be pushing things too much--it weighs about 25 pounds empty) that fits through the hole and rests on the lower bracket. I can cook, say, baked beans in the pot and about 30 pounds of pork shoulder on the remaining grill surface, all without using the upper grill at all. I really like the Kamado. It's unfortunate that it is frequently challenging to do business with the company. Probably part of the problem is that it is a manufacturing business shipping directly to customers. On the one hand, this keeps the price down because you don't have a local distributor/retailer taking a cut. On the other hand, the local distributor/retailer really can justify his cut by the customer service and support he provides, and by warehousing some of the units for faster delivery. It's a mixed bag. BTW, good luck on your restaurant. I'm in the Seattle area and hope to make it over to Wenatchee to check it out. |
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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:58:38 -0700, "Dave Bugg"
<deebuggatcharterdotnet> wrote: >Radar wrote: > >> ........... The right attitude is: The Kamado >> will arrive when it is time for the Kamado to arrive, in some karmic, >> Zen sense. Apparently there is nothing either you or the Kamado >> Corporation can do to change this. > >Radar, this was the funnest read of someone's customer-service observations >with Kamado. It certainly captures the Kamado Kustomer Kare Kuirkiness. I >do believe that the largest-sized BGE is about the same size as the Kamado >#5. Making the #'s 7, 9, and 11 all bigger. >Dave > Kamado #5 about the same size as BGE. That sounds right to me, based on the pictures on the Kamado website and the BGE (and Primo) units I've seen in the stores. Kamado has the multiple level grilling accessories for its units. I haven't seen any for the Primo or BGE, but 1) they might exist and have escaped my notice; or 2) you might be able to rig some up without much trouble. These days, I often use the mushikamado grill (the one with the big hole in the middle) on the Kamado. I bought this gigantic cast iron pot (calling it a cauldron wouldn't be pushing things too much--it weighs about 25 pounds empty) that fits through the hole and rests on the lower bracket. I can cook, say, baked beans in the pot and about 30 pounds of pork shoulder on the remaining grill surface, all without using the upper grill at all. I really like the Kamado. It's unfortunate that it is frequently challenging to do business with the company. Probably part of the problem is that it is a manufacturing business shipping directly to customers. On the one hand, this keeps the price down because you don't have a local distributor/retailer taking a cut. On the other hand, the local distributor/retailer really can justify his cut by the customer service and support he provides, and by warehousing some of the units for faster delivery. It's a mixed bag. BTW, good luck on your restaurant. I'm in the Seattle area and hope to make it over to Wenatchee to check it out. |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:46:09 -0700, Radar > wrote:
>Kamado has the >multiple level grilling accessories for its units. Only for the #7 and above, IIRC. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho "Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile." --Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:46:09 -0700, Radar > wrote:
>Kamado has the >multiple level grilling accessories for its units. Only for the #7 and above, IIRC. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho "Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile." --Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:46:09 -0700, Radar > wrote:
>Kamado has the >multiple level grilling accessories for its units. Only for the #7 and above, IIRC. -- Kevin S. Wilson Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho "Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile." --Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology |
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Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:46:09 -0700, Radar > wrote: > >> Kamado has the >> multiple level grilling accessories for its units. > > Only for the #7 and above, IIRC. > HUH? My #5 and #3 have multi levels. |
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Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:46:09 -0700, Radar > wrote: > >> Kamado has the >> multiple level grilling accessories for its units. > > Only for the #7 and above, IIRC. > HUH? My #5 and #3 have multi levels. |
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