As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.

"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

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--Jeff

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"Jeff" > wrote in message
...

> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
I have a gas grill for cold weather and use charcoal otherwise.
Much better flavor.

"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

It isn't even close for taste. Charcoal is much better. OTOH, I grill a
whole lot more with my gas grill.

Charcoal > Gas but

A lot of gas BBQ > a little charcoal + a lot of oven broiled

Marty

In article >,
Jeff > wrote:

> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

So what is wrong with a good old fashioned wood fire? :-)
I have TONS of firewood from pruning etc. (plus I landed a truckload of
Pecan wood when they took some trees down at work) and I find I get a
hotter bed of coals off of a wood fire...

And it tastes mighty good!

K.

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Mr. Wizard wrote:
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
>> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
>> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>>
> I have a gas grill for cold weather and use charcoal otherwise.
> Much better flavor.

Charcoal >>>>>>>>> gas for grilling.

--

Geri

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
- Hillary Clinton

On 3 Jul 2004 06:26:05 -0700, Jeff > wrote:

>As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
>to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
>politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
>"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
>you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
>'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
On 3 Jul 2004 06:26:05 -0700, Jeff > wrote:

>As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
>to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
>politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
>"In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
>you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
>'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.

People I know who cook in their backyards in the summer are more
interested in things other than whether their grilling meets up to
anyone else's standards of authenticity.

I've never heard such a debate or complaints from guests. I have a
charcoal grill myself, but I do appreciate the offerings from a gas
grill. If I had a gas grill I'd surely grill more often because of
the convenience.

It's my impression that people who write BBQ cookbooks and/or who have
the setup for serious BBQ are the ones worried about authenticity.

The rest of us don't care. It's not that we couldn't appreciate it;
it's just not a priority. :>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

This is lame trolling. We all know gas is for suburban yuppies and has
nothing to do with real bbq.

--
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felonious larcenies

- Thomas Jefferson



>"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> --Jeff

"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

hickory > charcoal >>>>>>>>>> gas

a.

Curly Sue wrote:
> It's my impression that people who write BBQ cookbooks and/or who
have
> the setup for serious BBQ are the ones worried about authenticity.
> The rest of us don't care.

And here we have the reason these commercialized, ain't worth eatin,
crap for Q restaurants are springin up all over the place. Their
clientele just don't care what crap they'll eat.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

In article >, Jeff
> wrote:

> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html

Heat is heat.

But smoke is not smoke.

BBQ involves slow cooking over indirect heat at low temperatures and
the smkoe is important.

Typically BBQ involves a remove firebox.

So lets assume you mean grilling, not BBQing. And assume you mean
straight charcoal and no chips to give flavoring via the smoke.

Charcoal does not add to flavor. In fact, depending on how you light
it, you can get residual bad flavor from lighter fluid. This is why
starting charcoal in a chimneyt is a good idea. No fluid. But the
charcoal itself does not smoke nor contrubute to flavor.

So if charcoal does not add flavor, what does?

The vaporization of the drippings from the meat and the charring of the
meat from the heat.

Depending on the type of internals, a gas grill can do grilling the
same way as a charcoal grill. It needs to be a grill that properly
vaporizes the drippings.

The huge advantage to a charcoal grill is heat regulation. Douse coals
with water and heat stops. Controlling flareups on a gas grill can be
more difficult, again depending on the design.

In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
> wrote:

> "suburban yuppies"

Christian Muslims?

Miami Gators?

yup == young URBAN professionals

In article >, Steve Cutchen
> wrote:

> In article >, Jeff
> > wrote:
>
> > As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> > to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> > politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
> >
> > "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> > you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> > 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
> >
> > http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> Heat is heat.
>
> But smoke is not smoke.
>
> BBQ involves slow cooking over indirect heat at low temperatures and
> the smkoe is important.
>
> Typically BBQ involves a remove firebox.

...remote... <sigh>
>
> So lets assume you mean grilling, not BBQing. And assume you mean
> straight charcoal and no chips to give flavoring via the smoke.
>
> Charcoal does not add to flavor. In fact, depending on how you light
> it, you can get residual bad flavor from lighter fluid. This is why
> starting charcoal in a chimneyt is a good idea. No fluid. But the
> charcoal itself does not smoke nor contrubute to flavor.
>
> So if charcoal does not add flavor, what does?
>
> The vaporization of the drippings from the meat and the charring of the
> meat from the heat.
>
> Depending on the type of internals, a gas grill can do grilling the
> same way as a charcoal grill. It needs to be a grill that properly
> vaporizes the drippings.
>
> The huge advantage to a charcoal grill is heat regulation. Douse coals
> with water and heat stops. Controlling flareups on a gas grill can be
> more difficult, again depending on the design.

"Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
...
> In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
> > wrote:
>
> > "suburban yuppies"
>
> Christian Muslims?
>
> Miami Gators?
>
Dancing Bapists?

Fighting Mormons?

> yup == young URBAN professionals

"Andrew Smith" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
> > As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> > to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> > politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
> >
> > "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> > you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> > 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
> >
> > http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> hickory > charcoal >>>>>>>>>> gas
>
> a.
>
Pussie>>>>>>BBQ

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"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html


That isn't the ****ing debate. Wood vs. Natural Lump is the debate.

--
Jefferson

"But it's hard as hell not to be some kind of redneck bigot sometimes..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"95% of the 100 rudest people I've encountered in the last year have been
middle-aged black women. It just strikes me as unfortunately
disproportionate..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"As I predicted, the General Assembly will vote to take down the flag from
the dome of the State House and the boycott organized by the NAACP
will continue because they won't be happy until the memory of the
Confederacy is erased from our cultural landscape. I'm holding out hope
that removal of the flag and subsequent continuation of economic sanctions
will reveal the NAACP for what it is; but somehow I doubt it..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"All this over the supposed moral outrage over an institution slowly dying
of its own weight anyway (and countenanced in the North even after the
so-called Emancipation Proclamation)."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I hope it isn't racist of me to point out that some white Southerners, even
some slave owners, treated blacks as fellow human beings. The evil
of legal ownership was indeed still present and resulted in a feeling of
superiority among whites, but not all of them were cruel and harsh.
Many of them were simply doing what they learned was proper. Remember that
the South was (and is) an extremely religious section, and the
fact remains that slavery is sanctioned and its details legislated, by the
Christian God, according to the Old Testament."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I'm not sure I see any factual errors there, however."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight, commenting on the following anti-Semitic webpage:
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/f...s98/slaves.htm

"Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
...
> In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
> > wrote:
>
> > "suburban yuppies"
>
> Christian Muslims?
>
> Miami Gators?
>
> yup == young URBAN professionals


I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"

"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
> "Jefferson N. Glapski" >!
>
> > "Jeff" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
> >> weekend to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt
> >> - not about politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
> >>
> >> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke
> >> flavor, you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven
> >> Raichlen, author of 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling
> >> cookbooks.
> >>
> >> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
> >
> > That isn't the ****ing debate. Wood vs. Natural Lump is the
> > debate.
>
> The man's an expret. Wrote a book! I'll believe an expret before some
> dumnass Canadian.


I'm as much a Canadian as someone from Syracuse is an Orangeman.

--
Jefferson

"But it's hard as hell not to be some kind of redneck bigot sometimes..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"95% of the 100 rudest people I've encountered in the last year have been
middle-aged black women. It just strikes me as unfortunately
disproportionate..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"As I predicted, the General Assembly will vote to take down the flag from
the dome of the State House and the boycott organized by the NAACP
will continue because they won't be happy until the memory of the
Confederacy is erased from our cultural landscape. I'm holding out hope
that removal of the flag and subsequent continuation of economic sanctions
will reveal the NAACP for what it is; but somehow I doubt it..."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"All this over the supposed moral outrage over an institution slowly dying
of its own weight anyway (and countenanced in the North even after the
so-called Emancipation Proclamation)."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I hope it isn't racist of me to point out that some white Southerners, even
some slave owners, treated blacks as fellow human beings. The evil
of legal ownership was indeed still present and resulted in a feeling of
superiority among whites, but not all of them were cruel and harsh.
Many of them were simply doing what they learned was proper. Remember that
the South was (and is) an extremely religious section, and the
fact remains that slavery is sanctioned and its details legislated, by the
Christian God, according to the Old Testament."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight

"I'm not sure I see any factual errors there, however."
-Trevor Zion Bauknight, commenting on the following anti-Semitic webpage:
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/f...s98/slaves.htm

Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
"Jefferson N. Glapski" >!

> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
>> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
>> weekend to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt
>> - not about politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>>
>> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke
>> flavor, you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven
>> Raichlen, author of 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling
>> cookbooks.
>>
>> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> That isn't the ****ing debate. Wood vs. Natural Lump is the
> debate.

The man's an expret. Wrote a book! I'll believe an expret before some
dumnass Canadian.

--
Cheers,
--Jeff

"Chris and Bob Neidecker" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "suburban yuppies"
> >
> > Christian Muslims?
> >
> > Miami Gators?
> >
> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>
>
> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"

I always remembered them as "Easy to pick off with a rifle".

--
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Jefferson N. Glapski )
opined:

> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
>> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this
>> holiday weekend to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a
>> debate may erupt - not about politics or sports, but
>> charcoal vs. gas.
>>
>> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke
>> flavor, you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven
>> Raichlen, author of 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other
>> grilling cookbooks.
>>
>> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
>
> That isn't the ****ing debate. Wood vs. Natural Lump is the
> debate.
>

Preach it Brother Jefferson.

I use lump for grilling and wood for smoking (cherry, maple,
oak, hickory) with some lump tossed in every once in awhile if I
let my fire burn down too low.

--
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Why is it that being a good boy and being good at being
a boy don't require the same set of skills? - anonymous

In article >, Chris and Bob
Neidecker > wrote:

> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "suburban yuppies"
> >
> > Christian Muslims?
> >
> > Miami Gators?
> >
> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>
>
> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"


A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it was
definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city and
resurrecting older neighborhoods.

In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing teardowns
in West U.

Steve Cutchen wrote:
>
> In article >, Chris and Bob

> > I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>
> A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it was
> definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city and
> resurrecting older neighborhoods.

With much bitching about the higher home prices in those city
neighborhoods.

nancy

"Chris and Bob Neidecker" > wrote in
:

>
> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > "suburban yuppies"
>>
>> Christian Muslims?
>>
>> Miami Gators?
>>
>> yup == young URBAN professionals
>
>
> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>
>

And it would be best if they kept moving on...

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message

|| Steve Cutchen wrote:
|||
||| In article >, Chris and Bob
||
|||| I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
|||
||| A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it
||| was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the
||| city and resurrecting older neighborhoods.
||
|| With much bitching about the higher home prices in those city
|| neighborhoods.
||
|| nancy

They don't bitch any more, now they pony up half a mil for 100 year old
shitboxes that my suburban section 8 tenants wouldn't live in.

JD

JD wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message

> || With much bitching about the higher home prices in those city
> || neighborhoods.

> They don't bitch any more, now they pony up half a mil for 100 year old
> shitboxes that my suburban section 8 tenants wouldn't live in.

Oh, I meant by the people who used to get cheap housing in the newly
yuppified (gentrifried?) spaces. I was talking about the less
wealthy people priced out of their neighborhood.

nancy

"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> --Jeff

There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
fire anyways.

v/r Beau

in article , Charles Beauchamp at
wrote on 7/3/04 7:34 PM:

>
> There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
> answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
> over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
> fire anyways.
>
> v/r Beau

Will you please tell us how you really feel.......................

Mtbchip: charcoal, natural if possible, all the way

Jeff > wrote in news:Xns951B5FF574D90Clockwork@
69.56.199.58:

> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>
> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
>
> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>

This is true. Even Hank Hill, purveyor of "clean burning, efficient
propane", admitted as much in the "naked cookout" episode.

That being said, for pure ease of cooking, nothing beats gas.

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"PC Load Letter"? What the @&*% does THAT mean?!

Steve Cutchen > wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:

> In article >, Chris and Bob
> Neidecker > wrote:
>
>> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > "suburban yuppies"
>> >
>> > Christian Muslims?
>> >
>> > Miami Gators?
>> >
>> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>>
>>
>> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>
>
> A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it was
> definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city and
> resurrecting older neighborhoods.
>
> In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing teardowns
> in West U.

Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
didn't got nothing to do with it.

--
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"PC Load Letter"? What the @&*% does THAT mean?!

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
> wrote:

>Steve Cutchen > wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:
>
>> In article >, Chris and Bob
>> Neidecker > wrote:
>>
>>> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > "suburban yuppies"
>>> >
>>> > Christian Muslims?
>>> >
>>> > Miami Gators?
>>> >
>>> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>>
>>
>> A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it was
>> definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city and
>> resurrecting older neighborhoods.
>>
>> In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing teardowns
>> in West U.
>
>Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
>didn't got nothing to do with it.

Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

In article >, Charles Beauchamp
> wrote:

> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
> > As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday weekend
> > to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt - not about
> > politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
> >
> > "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke flavor,
> > you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven Raichlen, author of
> > 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling cookbooks.
> >
> > http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > --Jeff
>
> There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
> answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
> over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
> fire anyways.
>
> v/r Beau

How do you know?

You won't even give less-sugar-Frosted Flakes a try...

BBQ Frosted Flakes... Hmmmm...... I wonder......

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:

> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
> > wrote:
>
>>Steve Cutchen > wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:
>>
>>> In article >, Chris and Bob
>>> Neidecker > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > "suburban yuppies"
>>>> >
>>>> > Christian Muslims?
>>>> >
>>>> > Miami Gators?
>>>> >
>>>> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>>>
>>>
>>> A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it
>>> was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city
>>> and resurrecting older neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing
>>> teardowns in West U.
>>
>>Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
>>didn't got nothing to do with it.
>
> Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
> with it. Do a web search for the definition.
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
>

yuppie

n : a young upwardly mobile professional person; someone under 40 who
prospered during the 1980s



That's me.

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Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
James Schrumpf >!

> Jeff > wrote in
> news:Xns951B5FF574D90Clockwork@ 69.56.199.58:
>
>> As family and friends gather on decks and patios this holiday
>> weekend to eat grilled burgers and chicken, a debate may erupt
>> - not about politics or sports, but charcoal vs. gas.
>>
>> "In order to accomplish the true, authentic barbecue smoke
>> flavor, you have to use a charcoal grill," says Steven
>> Raichlen, author of 'The Barbecue! Bible' and other grilling
>> cookbooks.
>>
>> http://enquirer.com/editions/2004/07...c_grill03.html
>
> This is true. Even Hank Hill, purveyor of "clean burning,
> efficient propane", admitted as much in the "naked cookout"
> episode.
>
> That being said, for pure ease of cooking, nothing beats gas.

I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.

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Cheers,
--Jeff

"Jeff" > wrote
>
> I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
> difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.

In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an outside grill.
Burned sausages are quintessential British Isles style barbecue. No summer
is complete without them. I tried to show friends that it was possible to
cook a leg of lamb in a Weber, but that's just 'fancy stuff' around here!

Jo


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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 02:51:09 -0500, James Schrumpf
> wrote:

(Curly Sue) wrote in
:
>
>> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:36:03 -0500, James Schrumpf
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Steve Cutchen > wrote in news:030720041437368822%
:
>>>
>>>> In article >, Chris and Bob
>>>> Neidecker > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Cutchen" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > In article <IvzFc.295$4Z3.19@lakeread02>, StephenJ
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > "suburban yuppies"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Christian Muslims?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Miami Gators?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > yup == young URBAN professionals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember it as "young upwardly-mobile professionals"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A google reveals both in common usage. But I recall at the time it
>>>> was definitely "urban". It was all about folks moving into the city
>>>> and resurrecting older neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> In Houston, it was typically in the Heights and folks doing
>>>> teardowns in West U.
>>>
>>>Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
>>>didn't got nothing to do with it.
>>
>> Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
>> with it. Do a web search for the definition.
>>
>> Sue(tm)
>> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
>>
>
>yuppie
>
>n : a young upwardly mobile professional person; someone under 40 who
>prospered during the 1980s
>
>That's me.

I can do that too!

n: a young urban professional.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Yer mother was a hamster and yer father smelt of elderberries,
"Darkginger" >!

> "Jeff" > wrote
>
>> I've got a gas grill myself. Great for burgers. What I'm having
>> difficulty understanding is what this has to do with barbeque.
>
> In the UK and Ireland 'to barbecue' is to cook anything on an
> outside grill. Burned sausages are quintessential British Isles
> style barbecue. No summer is complete without them. I tried to
> show friends that it was possible to cook a leg of lamb in a
> Weber, but that's just 'fancy stuff' around here!

Yes, well, that's why Christopher Columbus put you Godless heathens
to his rudder, ne'er to return. Uncultured, the lot o' ya.

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Cheers,
--Jeff

Charles Beauchamp wrote:

> There is no debate. There is just a right answer (charcoal) and a wrong
> answer (GAS!!!) It is really an intelligence test. Anyone who says gas
> over charcoal is a dumnass idot and shouldn't aughta be allowed near the
> fire anyways.

I agree. But charcoal is a pain in the butt. It is a dirty and time
consuming to get it going. It is more expensive and more wasteful than gas.
For convenience, I opted for gas, a close second.

Curly Sue wrote:

>
> >
> >Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
> >didn't got nothing to do with it.
>
> Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
> with it. Do a web search for the definition.

Sorry Sue, but when it fist came out, it didn't mention urban. I live in a
rural area that is, sadly, full of yuppies.

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 09:57:50 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Curly Sue wrote:

>> >Nope. I am an original yuppie, and it's "upwardly-mobile". "Urban"
>> >didn't got nothing to do with it.
>>
>> Wrong. I don't know what you were, but urban has everything to do
>> with it. Do a web search for the definition.
>
>Sorry Sue, but when it fist came out, it didn't mention urban. I live in a
>rural area that is, sadly, full of yuppies.
>
Sorry Dave but when it first came out it certainly was "urban." There
was a debate over "yumpie" for "young, upwardly-mobile" but that was
too close to some other unattractive term ("yomp," or something like
that).

"upwardly-mobile" doesn't add much to the term anyway. One would hope
that all young professionals are upwardly-mobile or, perhaps, have
even arrived. I can see, however, that since the lifestyle has
spread, there has to be a way to include non-urban, young
professionals in the term, so "upwardly-mobile" becomes a good fudge.
Of course, if you're talking about farmers out there in your rural
area, then it would have to be YUMFs :>

I think it's interesting that James embraces "yuppie" to describe
himself, yet you (and a lot of other people) seem to dislike them. I
never understood what the problem was/is with yuppies as a group. :>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!