Having lurked a few days here I've managed to pick up a good deal of
information from everyone here. Can I assume, because this grilling/smoking
type cooking is new to me, that the best way to start the fire is with a
charcoal chimmney, or would it be better to have a grill/smoker with some sort
of propane ignitor?

"Tranch749" > wrote in message
...
>
> Having lurked a few days here I've managed to pick up a good deal of
> information from everyone here. Can I assume, because this
grilling/smoking
> type cooking is new to me, that the best way to start the fire is with a
> charcoal chimmney, or would it be better to have a grill/smoker with some
sort
> of propane ignitor?

I use a chimney on top of a big LP fryer. 5-10min and ready to go.

The likes of the performer and the new Kenmore Dual Fuel Grill would be nice
too.

-CAL

Tranch749 wrote:

> ....... that the best way to
> start the fire is with a charcoal chimmney, or would it be better to
> have a grill/smoker with some sort of propane ignitor?

A Weber Chimney full of lump charcoal, two sheets of newspaper, and thou. If
you want to REAAALLY get things going in a hurry with a chimney, just
sprinkle some vegetable oil on one of the sheets. I have a couple of cinder
blocks with a grill laying across them, and that is what I set my chimney on
while waiting for a good flame to take hold.

Also note: If you use lump, you don't wait until the lump turns "white" like
you do with briquettes. Once a flame is well established, you can dump the
lump into the pit's firebox. I always use a thick pair of glove and goggles
in case sparks decide to get all jiggy wid me.
Dave

Tranch749 wrote:

> Having lurked a few days here I've managed to pick up a good deal of
> information from everyone here. Can I assume, because this grilling/smoking
> type cooking is new to me, that the best way to start the fire is with a
> charcoal chimmney, or would it be better to have a grill/smoker with some sort
> of propane ignitor?

If you're grilling, nothing beats the convenience of a propane ignitor.
There may be faster ways to light charcoal, but none easier. If you're
smoking, the chimney is the best way to go, so that you can use the
minion method.

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Also note: If you use lump, you don't wait until the lump turns
> "white" like you do with briquettes. Once a flame is well
> established, you can dump the lump into the pit's firebox. I always
> use a thick pair of glove and goggles in case sparks decide to get
> all jiggy wid me.

And if you like to go around barefoot I suggest being careful as well.
OUCH!


--

Dave Bugg wrote:

> Also note: If you use lump, you don't wait until the lump turns "white" like
> you do with briquettes. Once a flame is well established, you can dump the
> lump into the pit's firebox. I always use a thick pair of glove and goggles
> in case sparks decide to get all jiggy wid me.

Also, depending on how many smaller chunks-o-lump you get in
the chimney, I sometimes have small glowing coals fall out
the bottom while pouring into the firebox. I don't use goggles
(but probably should) and I sometimes use gloves, but
*full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
are _mandatory_.

Dana

"Dana Myers" > wrote in message news:40b38b2e@wobble...

> *full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> are _mandatory_.

And my idiot 'looney' ass (1$ to the peanut gallery) did the barefoot dance
just last week. Now goggles, well I'd feel as sorry for the joker that got
caught actually wearing them (even though it is a smart idea) as I do for
that Monroe character.

-CAL

So naked is out of the question?

> Also, depending on how many smaller chunks-o-lump you get in
> the chimney, I sometimes have small glowing coals fall out
> the bottom while pouring into the firebox. I don't use goggles
> (but probably should) and I sometimes use gloves, but
> *full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> are _mandatory_.
>
> Dana
>

"Jeff Russell" > wrote:
> So naked is out of the question?
>
Don't try to bring me into this thread with yer cheap shots!

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

"Jeff Russell" > wrote in news:YWMsc.5931$eT4.1486
@attbi_s54:

> So naked is out of the question?
>

>

Well, the charcoal guru is "The Naked Whiz"...maybe it's a state of nirvana
attained only through practice and meditation. Naked BBQ.

And no, that's not a request for ABPF.

Jason

Jeff Russell wrote:

>Dana wrote:

>> but
>>*full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
>>are _mandatory_.

> So naked is out of the question?

Oh, I dunno. Naked with full shoes and thick socks
is probably OK.

Dana

cl wrote:
> "Dana Myers" > wrote in message news:40b38b2e@wobble...
>
>
>>*full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
>>are _mandatory_.

> And my idiot 'looney' ass (1$ to the peanut gallery) did the barefoot dance
> just last week.

Heh. I managed to learn the lesson without actually having
to experience it, by observation many many years ago.

Dana

In article <40b3a8e2$1@wobble>, Dana Myers > wrote:

> cl wrote:
> > "Dana Myers" > wrote in message news:40b38b2e@wobble...
> >
> >
> >>*full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> >>are _mandatory_.
>
> > And my idiot 'looney' ass (1$ to the peanut gallery) did the barefoot dance
> > just last week.
>
> Heh. I managed to learn the lesson without actually having
> to experience it, by observation many many years ago.
>
You're therefore smarter than a CALooney, Dana. Take a bow. Talk about
being damned with faint praise. I like Webercubes or that green napalm
stuff. Keeps the fire in the cooker where it belongs.

monroe('idiot' -heh-you got that right)

Monroe, of course... wrote:
> You're therefore smarter than a CALooney, Dana. Take a bow. Talk about
> being damned with faint praise. I like Webercubes or that green napalm
> stuff. Keeps the fire in the cooker where it belongs.
>
> monroe('idiot' -heh-you got that right)

Hey! I still go barefoot when movin the chimney. Just more carefully is all.
I'm not stoopid, it's just that I'm not a quitter. Freakin Dana sounds anal
retentive about the thing to me. Next someone's gonna say how they wear a
fireproof apron when handling the chimney.
Damn. One little coal burns off half one toe and people make a big deal
about it forever, jeeeeze.



--

Duwop wrote:

> Hey! I still go barefoot when movin the chimney. Just more carefully
> is all. I'm not stoopid, it's just that I'm not a quitter. Freakin
> Dana sounds anal retentive about the thing to me. Next someone's
> gonna say how they wear a fireproof apron when handling the chimney.
> Damn. One little coal burns off half one toe and people make a big
> deal about it forever, jeeeeze.

LOL... I use a metal pie pan to hold the chimney over when I move the
kit-n-kaboodle over to the pit. It keeps them sparks and flaming
midget-sized specks from landing on me tootsies.
Dave

"Monroe, of course..." > wrote in message
...
> In article <40b3a8e2$1@wobble>, Dana Myers > wrote:
>
> > cl wrote:
> > > "Dana Myers" > wrote in message news:40b38b2e@wobble...
> > >
> > >
> > >>*full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> > >>are _mandatory_.
> >
> > > And my idiot 'looney' ass (1$ to the peanut gallery) did the barefoot
dance
> > > just last week.
> >
> > Heh. I managed to learn the lesson without actually having
> > to experience it, by observation many many years ago.
> >
> You're therefore smarter than a CALooney, Dana. Take a bow. Talk about
> being damned with faint praise. I like Webercubes or that green napalm
> stuff. Keeps the fire in the cooker where it belongs.
>
> monroe('idiot' -heh-you got that right)


We have a real troll!

-CAL(Your now my bitch Monroe-well if Miranda lets you)

Duwop wrote:

> Hey! I still go barefoot when movin the chimney. Just more carefully is all.
> I'm not stoopid, it's just that I'm not a quitter. Freakin Dana sounds anal
> retentive about the thing to me.

Would you please take a moment and explain how this:

> I don't use goggles
> (but probably should) and I sometimes use gloves, but
> *full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> are _mandatory_.

is anal retentive, particularly when some folks wear goggles
and gloves all the time?

Dana

Dana Myers wrote:

Dana, I killfiled your ass, dont be morphing as it's probably against your
ISP's policies.

Yes Dana, it's as anal retentive as you're argumentive. Which is a lot.

Now I'm gonna plonk you again.

--

"Bob in socal" > wrote in message
...
>S'long Cal. I'm not much for Kill filing, however I can't see any
> benefit of opening your nonsense in the future. You have yet
> to find an ally so I have to assume you are a boorish troll.
>
> Plonk

Who give a flying fucx? Where did you come from anyhow?

As if bob in socal thinks anyone cares what his ignorant webtv ass does.

-CAL

Duwop wrote:

> Dana Myers wrote:
>
> Dana, I killfiled your ass, dont be morphing as it's probably against your
> ISP's policies.

Actually, I have multiple ISPs and NNTP accounts; it was
unintentional to "morph". However, you can probably pour
your heart out to " if it would make you
feel better.

> Yes Dana, it's as anal retentive as you're argumentive. Which is a lot.

Frankly, I think our disagreements have been minor and are
far out-weighed by what we do agree on, and I don't believe I've
ever lobbed a personal insult at you. But I suppose I'm being
argumentative since I'm disagreeing with you, and you're
probably not reading this anyway.

> Now I'm gonna plonk you again.

As you wish! Bye.

Cheers,
Dana

"Dana Myers" > wrote in message
. com...

> > Now I'm gonna plonk you again.
>
> As you wish! Bye.
>
> Cheers,
> Dana


I really can't say when I've ever seen such an ignorant bunch of loons that
were so killfile happy.

They really are a bunch of wusses with the "I can hit you but you can't hit
me back" 'tude.

-CAL

"cl" > wrote in message
<snip the BS>

You know, I don't have a dog in this fight, Cal, but you *are* getting to be
a bit annoying. As loathe as I am to use the bozo bin, seeing your BS in
here reduces my enjoyment of this group.

JD

<plonk>

JD wrote:
>
> "cl" > wrote in message
> <snip the BS>
>
> You know, I don't have a dog in this fight, Cal, but you *are* getting to be
> a bit annoying. As loathe as I am to use the bozo bin, seeing your BS in
> here reduces my enjoyment of this group.
>
> JD
>
> <plonk>


I guess now you can enjoy the antics of the K' squad commercial free.

-CAL

On 25-May-2004, "Dave Bugg" <deebuggatcharterdotnet> wrote:

> Tranch749 wrote:
>
> > ....... that the best way to
> > start the fire is with a charcoal chimmney, or would it be better to
> > have a grill/smoker with some sort of propane ignitor?
>
> A Weber Chimney full of lump charcoal, two sheets of newspaper, and thou.
> If
> you want to REAAALLY get things going in a hurry with a chimney, just
> sprinkle some vegetable oil on one of the sheets. I have a couple of
> cinder
> blocks with a grill laying across them, and that is what I set my chimney
> on
> while waiting for a good flame to take hold.
>
> Also note: If you use lump, you don't wait until the lump turns "white"
> like
> you do with briquettes. Once a flame is well established, you can dump the
> lump into the pit's firebox. I always use a thick pair of glove and
> goggles
> in case sparks decide to get all jiggy wid me.
> Dave

Don't do it barefooted either. (bfg)

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

M&M wrote:

> Don't do it barefooted either. (bfg)

Oh, I do it barefoot all the time.... :-)

(Ducking and running for cover)

Dana

Dana Myers > wrote:
> M&M wrote:
>
> > Don't do it barefooted either. (bfg)
>
> Oh, I do it barefoot all the time.... :-)
>
> (Ducking and running for cover)
>
*it*?

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

wrote:

> Dana Myers > wrote:
>
>>M&M wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don't do it barefooted either. (bfg)
>>
>>Oh, I do it barefoot all the time.... :-)
>>
>>(Ducking and running for cover)
>>
>
> *it*?

Kinda adds a new twist to talking about
starting a fire and a chimney, now doesn't it?

;-)

Dana

On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:50:36 GMT, "cl" > wrote:

>
>"Dana Myers" > wrote in message
.com...
>
>> > Now I'm gonna plonk you again.
>>
>> As you wish! Bye.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dana
>
>
>I really can't say when I've ever seen such an ignorant bunch of loons that
>were so killfile happy.
>
>They really are a bunch of wusses with the "I can hit you but you can't hit
>me back" 'tude.
>
Don't let the screen door hit you on the ass as you're leaving, then.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
...

> >I really can't say when I've ever seen such an ignorant bunch of loons
that
> >were so killfile happy.
> >
> >They really are a bunch of wusses with the "I can hit you but you can't
hit
> >me back" 'tude.
> >
> Don't let the screen door hit you on the ass as you're leaving, then.

Leaving? Don't think so. You jokers (the select few that like to jump
anyones ass that even mentions the words gas grill) can have your own
discussions but don't for a second think I'm gone. Justify your purchase of
an overpriced clay pot all you want. Just remember that a person with a
kettle can do everything you can do for $35 bucks. Sure you can cook longer
without tending the fire but that is just plain lazy on your part. If you
want an oven, cook indoors (or go to a bbq joint if your that lazy). If you
want to hang with your buds and be rewarded with an awesome inexpensive
meal, then you are a true barbecuer.

I don't care if you have a kettle, pit, offset, 55gallon, converted fridge
or even a gas grill, you can still produce some good bbq.
Ultimately you will learn that the best bbq isn't the result of the
equipment but rather the cook. See, bbq is like cajun cooking in that you
make the most of the inexpensive. Instead of pushing expensive equipment
you should be helping people make the best of what they have. That is more
in line with the spirit of bbqing. A Kamado on the otherhand, isn't. This
isn't something made better with new technology, it is primitive down home
cooking. You might as well just buy a Bradley or cookshack if you want to
cook Q without the fuss.

Enjoy discussing your Kamado's you wimpy hypocrits!

-CAL

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:48:20 GMT, "cl" > wrote:

I snipped the part where you were telling us what "real" BBQ is and
what defines a "real" barbecuer. It was painful enough the first time,
seeing you look that stupid in public. I snipped it because I am your
friend. You're welcome.

>Leaving? Don't think so. You jokers (the select few that like to jump
>anyones ass that even mentions the words gas grill) can have your own
>discussions but don't for a second think I'm gone.

I'm certain it hasn't ocurred to you that we've seen it before. You'll
last a month, tops, unless you lose the 'tude. You'll be killfiled to
Sunday and back, but some of us will continue to poke you with pointy
sticks to see you dance. Eventually, you'll post a hefty kewl up-yours
post in all CAPS, something along the lines of "U R A BUNCH OF FAG0RT
L0SERS!!!11!1"

We'll yawn, shrug, and go back to talking about barbecue, no more
enlightened or knowledgeable for you having stumbled in here.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:48:20 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
>
> I snipped the part where you were telling us what "real" BBQ is and
> what defines a "real" barbecuer. It was painful enough the first time,
> seeing you look that stupid in public. I snipped it because I am your
> friend. You're welcome.

Well I guess a person from Idaho would know a "real" barbecuer better than
most.

> >Leaving? Don't think so. You jokers (the select few that like to jump
> >anyones ass that even mentions the words gas grill) can have your own
> >discussions but don't for a second think I'm gone.
>
> I'm certain it hasn't ocurred to you that we've seen it before.

Idiot. Just because I just started posting doesn't me I wasn't lurking
before.


> We'll yawn, shrug, and go back to talking about barbecue, no more
> enlightened or knowledgeable for you having stumbled in here.

If you like a stagnant pool of information, enjoy. I'd imagine you grew up
around alot of BBQ in Buhl and Boise. I doubt there is anything that you
could learn from someone that has been doing it all their life and lives in
what many consider the prime BBQ region. Yeah, just like you probably
wouldn't learn anything from someone that lives in the Bayou when it comes
to cajun cooking.


-CAL

On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:25:07 GMT, "cl" > wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:48:20 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
>>
>> I snipped the part where you were telling us what "real" BBQ is and
>> what defines a "real" barbecuer. It was painful enough the first time,
>> seeing you look that stupid in public. I snipped it because I am your
>> friend. You're welcome.
>
>Well I guess a person from Idaho would know a "real" barbecuer better than
>most.

That's one, but you're going to have to try harder before you've been
well and truly trolled by my .sig. You've demonstrated your
parochialism, but you forgot to demonstrate your anti-intellectualism
by saying something snarky about academia. And don't forget to include
a swipe at tech writers.

Now get to it, son. Try harder this time.

>> >Leaving? Don't think so. You jokers (the select few that like to jump
>> >anyones ass that even mentions the words gas grill) can have your own
>> >discussions but don't for a second think I'm gone.
>>
>> I'm certain it hasn't ocurred to you that we've seen it before.
>
>Idiot. Just because I just started posting doesn't me I wasn't lurking
>before.
>
That's odd. Most people lurk so they can adapt their postings to the
group. What's your problem?

>> We'll yawn, shrug, and go back to talking about barbecue, no more
>> enlightened or knowledgeable for you having stumbled in here.
>
>If you like a stagnant pool of information, enjoy. I'd imagine you grew up
>around alot of BBQ in Buhl and Boise.

We have k00k sign. Stalk much, net-k00k?

> I doubt there is anything that you
>could learn from someone that has been doing it all their life and lives in
>what many consider the prime BBQ region. Yeah, just like you probably
>wouldn't learn anything from someone that lives in the Bayou when it comes
>to cajun cooking.
>
I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
to win friends and influence people.

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

"Kevin S. Wilson" wrote:
> >If you like a stagnant pool of information, enjoy. I'd imagine you grew up
> >around alot of BBQ in Buhl and Boise.
>
> We have k00k sign. Stalk much, net-k00k?


So now googling is stalking? No, that is plain research. Hell your the
one that have a few posts calling people out on using different aliases
and proving it with a whois or nslookup. Once again you show that you
are a hypocrite. The pot calling the kettle black.


This one post tells all:

http://tinyurl.com/2lanr

> I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
> to win friends and influence people.


You can't even go there. I posted a simple statement about gas grills
and you guys started attacking me. Go back to my first posts here and
tell me otherwise. You hypocrite.

_CAL

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:25:07 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
> > I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
> to win friends and influence people.
>
I guess he missed the part about you bein' his friend and all.
Jack

"Jack Sloan" > wrote:
> "Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
> > On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:25:07 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
> > > I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
> > to win friends and influence people.
> >
> I guess he missed the part about you bein' his friend and all.
> Jack

And the part about learning how to work and play well with others.

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:43:15 -0500, "Jack Sloan" >
wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:25:07 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
>> > I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
>> to win friends and influence people.
>>
> I guess he missed the part about you bein' his friend and all.
>Jack

Apparently so. Pity that.

<sigh>

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

On 27 May 2004 20:17:35 GMT, wrote:

>"Jack Sloan" > wrote:
>> "Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
>> > On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:25:07 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
>> > > I'm learning an awful lot from you, mostly having to do with how NOT
>> > to win friends and influence people.
>> >
>> I guess he missed the part about you bein' his friend and all.
>> Jack
>
>And the part about learning how to work and play well with others.

Yep. We're going to have to mark that down as "Needs Improvement."

(He's a bright lad, but he just won't apply himself.)

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a university somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

"Kevin S. Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:48:20 GMT, "cl" > wrote:
>
> I snipped the part where you were telling us what "real" BBQ is and
> what defines a "real" barbecuer. It was painful enough the first time,
> seeing you look that stupid in public. I snipped it because I am your
> friend. You're welcome.
>
> >Leaving? Don't think so. You jokers (the select few that like to jump
> >anyones ass that even mentions the words gas grill) can have your own
> >discussions but don't for a second think I'm gone.
>
> I'm certain it hasn't ocurred to you that we've seen it before. You'll
> last a month, tops, unless you lose the 'tude. You'll be killfiled to
> Sunday and back, but some of us will continue to poke you with pointy
> sticks to see you dance. Eventually, you'll post a hefty kewl up-yours
> post in all CAPS, something along the lines of "U R A BUNCH OF FAG0RT
> L0SERS!!!11!1"

Kev, you forgot BBQ Nazis.

_________
ht_redneck

On 26-May-2004, Dana Myers > wrote:

> Duwop wrote:
>
> > Hey! I still go barefoot when movin the chimney. Just more carefully is
> > all.
> > I'm not stoopid, it's just that I'm not a quitter. Freakin Dana sounds
> > anal
> > retentive about the thing to me.
>
> Would you please take a moment and explain how this:
>
> > I don't use goggles
> > (but probably should) and I sometimes use gloves, but
> > *full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> > are _mandatory_.
>
> is anal retentive, particularly when some folks wear goggles
> and gloves all the time?
>
> Dana

I just can't help myself from jumping in here. It's just such a
hee haw type of discussion. You otherwise intelligent people
are arging about the precautions relavent to transfering hot
coals from a chimney to a fire grate. Somebody here has more
to drink then I have. And shame on you.

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

"M&M" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 26-May-2004, Dana Myers > wrote:
>
> > Duwop wrote:
> >
> > > Hey! I still go barefoot when movin the chimney. Just more carefully
is
> > > all.
> > > I'm not stoopid, it's just that I'm not a quitter. Freakin Dana sounds
> > > anal
> > > retentive about the thing to me.
> >
> > Would you please take a moment and explain how this:
> >
> > > I don't use goggles
> > > (but probably should) and I sometimes use gloves, but
> > > *full shoes* (not flip-flops, sandals, socks or bare feet)
> > > are _mandatory_.
> >
> > is anal retentive, particularly when some folks wear goggles
> > and gloves all the time?
> >
> > Dana
>
> I just can't help myself from jumping in here. It's just such a
> hee haw type of discussion. You otherwise intelligent people
> are arging about the precautions relavent to transfering hot
> coals from a chimney to a fire grate. Somebody here has more
> to drink then I have. And shame on you.

Well then, get on it and catch up.
Jack