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TFM®
 
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Default Just say "no" to binaries on afb


"Thomas Mooney" > wrote in message
...
> Howard R. Bricker > wrote in message
> 2.204...
> > "Thomas Mooney" wrote
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Perhaps the news server one attaches to can (but doesn't necessarily)
> > > exercise some control.

> >
> > <snip some more>
> >
> > You have that right Thomas.

>
> I'm sorry, Brick, I'm missing your point. I have _what_ right?
>
> TFM® was seeming to imply that he could try to send a binary to afb, but
> that it wouldn't arrive. All I was saying was that there must be _some_
> news servers that allow binaries onto afb. Otherwise, how would we get

all
> of the .scr and .exe files posted on this group that purport to be one

thing
> (nude pictures, system updates) but are actually something else (viruses).
>
> I've never tried to post a binary anywhere. So I don't know _what_ my

news
> server would allow.
>
> P.S. Ain't lookin' to pick a fight. While I'm all hopped up on "gently
> sparkling" fruit drink, I just don't understand what you think I said.
>



Hmmm.........I *have* actually sent picture files to this group before. I
did it while intoxicated and under the assumption that I was at the *other*
NG, "ABF"

Though I sent them, I saw nothing arrive. If memory serves me correctly, I
even received some sort of notification about the bounce. Again, this is
all most likely carrier dependent.

They seem to be doing their job as well when it comes to keeping the scr.'s
and exe.'s out of my NG's as well. Now if they could only do as well with
the mail. I still get about 50 or more of the "Microsoft" update emails a
day.

T(Real)FM®<G>




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Howard R. Bricker
 
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Default Just say "no" to binaries on afb

"Thomas Mooney" wrote;

<snip>

> P.S. Ain't lookin' to pick a fight. While I'm all hopped up on
> "gently sparkling" fruit drink, I just don't understand what you think
> I said.
>
>


No offense taken at all Thomas. I'm sorry that I wasn't able
to make myself clear. I was trying to say that you are correct
that some ISP's do allow binaries to get through to non-binary
groups and some do not. TFM® uses Roadrunner and they apparently
follow stringent guidelines as does Airnews. Others such as
Direcway do not. In fact Direcway is so bad about their admin-
istration especially SPAM control that they are frequently
blocked completely by more competent ISP's. That's a PITA for
me when I try to email my friends and they frequently don't get
the mail. The error msg is invariably 'mail refused by 'their'
ISP due to poor SPAM control. So you might ask, "Why do I use
such a sorry ISP?" There is no other broadband available to me.
If I could get DSL, I would.

M&M Man
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Howard R. Bricker
 
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Default SURVEY: Binaries on Alt.Food.Barbecue

Bill > wrote in
:

> In article <Xns9462ED590651Bhrbrickerdirecwaycom@
> 206.66.12.204>, says...
>> Bill > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>

> <snip>
>> >
>> > Airnews won't carry an alt* group for lack of a published
>> > charter?
>> >
>> > Boggle!
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >

>>
>> That's a fact Bill. There are actually rules published for
>> the administration of usenet and some ISP's follow them. The
>> initiation of a new group requires the publication of a new
>> group post including a description, charter and probable
>> traffic figures. The newgroup post for ABF has been lost in the
>> computer jungle and cannot be found.
>>
>> M&M Man
>>

>
> From the alt.binaries.food cmsg
>
> at
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/alt/
>
> <snip>
>
> "From usenet Fri May 16 22:03:17 2003
> From: "Brian Reid" >
> Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.food
> Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.binaries.food
> Approved: "Brian Reid" >
> Control: newgroup alt.binaries.food
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
> Message-ID: >
> Date: 8 Apr 2003 16:55:49 -0500
> Lines: 21
> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com -
> http://www.newsfeeds.com
> X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor
> support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings.
> X-Report: Please report abuse to >
> Organization: Posted Via Newsfeeds.com =
> SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.newsfeeds.com
> Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
> cyclone.bc.net!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!corp-
> goliath.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail
> Xref: shelby.stanford.edu control.newgroup:204299
>
> **** THIS IS A BOOSTER ****
> A prior newgroup message was sent.
>
> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.binaries.food Binary food posts
>
> Charter:
> In the good old days when I created alt, no charters were
> ever needed.
>
> That worked well then and should work well now.
>
> This booster is an
> attempt to fix an error in the creation of this ng in that
> isc.org had
> problems over the years and did not archive the control but
> did archive
> the rm's. "
>
>
> Maybe you could show that to Airnews and get them to add
> it.
>
> Bill
>
>


Thanks Bill. I didn't know how to post a booster and of
course I have no credibility with the recognized admins
anyway.

M&M Man
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"Howard R. Bricker" > wrote in message
...
> "Thomas Mooney" wrote;
>
> <snip>
>
> > P.S. Ain't lookin' to pick a fight. While I'm all hopped up on
> > "gently sparkling" fruit drink, I just don't understand what you think
> > I said.
> >
> >

>
> No offense taken at all Thomas. I'm sorry that I wasn't able
> to make myself clear. I was trying to say that you are correct
> that some ISP's do allow binaries to get through to non-binary
> groups and some do not. TFM® uses Roadrunner and they apparently
> follow stringent guidelines as does Airnews. Others such as
> Direcway do not. In fact Direcway is so bad about their admin-
> istration especially SPAM control that they are frequently
> blocked completely by more competent ISP's. That's a PITA for
> me when I try to email my friends and they frequently don't get
> the mail. The error msg is invariably 'mail refused by 'their'
> ISP due to poor SPAM control. So you might ask, "Why do I use
> such a sorry ISP?" There is no other broadband available to me.
> If I could get DSL, I would.




No cable for you , and you're closer to Tampa than I am?

Hard to believe a city of this size would be without highspeed.

I can get roadrunner at the new house (cable guy's coming Saturday) and it's
6 or 7 miles farther away from Tampa.

Tell me where you live (in an email of course) and I'll see what I can dig
up. You've *gotta* have more options than that.

TFM®


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Kent H.
 
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Default SURVEY: Binaries on Alt.Food.Barbecue = NO

No

MikeT wrote:
>
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket



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Default SUMMARY: Binaries on Alt.Food.Barbecue - objection is strong.

I have read all the replies to date.
A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and heard.
Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is archiving
posted binaries.)



The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
This is something not easily done in most voting situations.


The question asked if there was objection.

Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go here.
Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries allowed.


Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.

Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.

A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too, made
points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.

Actual Results are a mess.
I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
declared invalid.

-miket


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"TFM®" wrote
>
> Tell me where you live (in an email of course) and I'll see what I can
> dig up. You've *gotta* have more options than that.
>
> TFM®
>
>


'fraid not. I live in an old mobile home park. Time Warner is not
allowed in here. The phone company will not upgrade to DSL capability.
Of course all the new developements just up the road have it. SWMBO
will not move. I live in 33635. Rotsa Ruck.

M&M Man
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"MikeT" > wrote in
news:Mk5Jb.720148$Tr4.1819935@attbi_s03:

> I have read all the replies to date.
> A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and
> heard. Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to
> ABF. (change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is
> archiving posted binaries.)
>
>
>
> The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
> Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
> This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
>
>
> The question asked if there was objection.
>
> Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can
> go here. Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No
> binaries allowed.
>
>
> Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
> However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
>
> Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
>
> A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a
> "NO" response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However,
> they, too, made points that would seem that they object to binaries in
> this group.
>
> Actual Results are a mess.
> I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
> Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have
> been declared invalid.
>
> -miket
>
>


Mike, most people here understand that there are two types of
newsgroups. There are discussion groups like this one and then
there are binary groups for the posting of executables and
pictures. This is not citizens band for all that it may seem
to be. Despite the level of contamination that does exist in the
altl* hierarchy, there is strong resistance to actually destroying
it. Which is what would probably happen if the contamination
was allowed to cross the structure lines.

M&M Man
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:08:06 -0600, "Thomas Mooney"
> wrote:

>Howard R. Bricker > wrote in message
. 12.204...
>> "Thomas Mooney" wrote
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > Perhaps the news server one attaches to can (but doesn't necessarily)
>> > exercise some control.

>>
>> <snip some more>
>>
>> You have that right Thomas.

>
>I'm sorry, Brick, I'm missing your point. I have _what_ right?
>

Try it again, with a comma after "right."

--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:12:44 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:

>I have read all the replies to date.
>A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and heard.
>Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
>(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is archiving
>posted binaries.)
>
>
>
>The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
>Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
>This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
>
>
>The question asked if there was objection.
>
>Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go here.
>Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries allowed.
>
>
>Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
>However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
>
>Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
>
>A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
>response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too, made
>points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.
>
>Actual Results are a mess.
>I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
>Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
>declared invalid.
>
>-miket
>


Guilty as charged. Kind of embarrassing as I live in Texas where the
purposeful obscuring of the purpose and effect of ballot measures by
our esteemed legislature is a minor art form. Triple negatives,
anyone? Fortunately, they have not yet passed a measure that permits
them to do as they please if everyone votes against a proposition.
Thus the reflex to vote no automatically; absent a very strong reason
to do otherwise.

And thank you for the honesty to recognize that the commentary
probably reflects the sentiment of the voter more accurately than the
(IMO) backwards proposition. Another difference from "real" politics.




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It's a moot point for me--my ISP strips binaries from non-binary groups,
anyway.


"B.Server" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:12:44 GMT, "MikeT"
> > wrote:
>
> >I have read all the replies to date.
> >A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and

heard.
> >Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
> >(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is

archiving
> >posted binaries.)
> >
> >
> >
> >The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
> >Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
> >This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
> >
> >
> >The question asked if there was objection.
> >
> >Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go

here.
> >Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries

allowed.
> >
> >
> >Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
> >However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
> >
> >Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
> >
> >A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
> >response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too,

made
> >points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.
> >
> >Actual Results are a mess.
> >I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
> >Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
> >declared invalid.
> >
> >-miket
> >

>
> Guilty as charged. Kind of embarrassing as I live in Texas where the
> purposeful obscuring of the purpose and effect of ballot measures by
> our esteemed legislature is a minor art form. Triple negatives,
> anyone? Fortunately, they have not yet passed a measure that permits
> them to do as they please if everyone votes against a proposition.
> Thus the reflex to vote no automatically; absent a very strong reason
> to do otherwise.
>
> And thank you for the honesty to recognize that the commentary
> probably reflects the sentiment of the voter more accurately than the
> (IMO) backwards proposition. Another difference from "real" politics.
>
>
>
>



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