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Old 13-10-2003, 02:24 AM
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"doyle" wrote in message
...
........
I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor. I have two friends that
developed
diabetes within a year of going on the diet. My wife became borderline

while
on the
same diet. I am by no means an expert on nutrition because I have never
been
overweight. But if you really want insight, try this link.
http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/
.......


If you do not wish to be ridiculed do not post information that
has a fallacious medical basis. If you are not an expert on
nutrition do not post information that has a fallacious nutritional
basis. If you do the above you are definitely inviting ridicule
and your posting claiming that a control of carbohydrates can
cause diabetes is almost criminally absurd. And your referenced
website is obviously a personal-injury lower driven spiderweb.

Now back to your RIDICULOUS claim: again, please explain how
restricting sugars and other carbohydrates can cause diabetes.
Use your own words if you cannot find adequate websites to quote.

pavane



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Old 13-10-2003, 02:56 AM
 
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:26:08 -0700, "doyle" wrote:

I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor. I have two friends that
developed
diabetes within a year of going on the diet. My wife became borderline while
on the
same diet. I am by no means an expert on nutrition because I have never
been
overweight. But if you really want insight, try this link.
http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/


Diabetes is not only a result of being obese, or even overweight.
Heredity plays a large part.
My wife's family (including herself) has a very high incidence of
diabetes, as does mine.
On her side, her mother, herself,and one of two brothers are diabetic,
and only her brother could be considered fat, but not obese.
In my faminy, both my parents, myself, and two sisters are/were
diabetic; the only one of my immediate family who isn't is my brother,
and he's borderline.

The site referrenced warns often of high protein diets, but they are
talking about a diet that's *very* high in protein, not one in which
the protein only makes up a larger percentage of the diet than a
'normal' diet. For example:
"Over time, individuals who consume very large amounts of protein..."
In this, they are very right; diets very high in protein can cause
problems.

However, a diet like Atkins (or the South Beach Diet, which
specifically addressed the problem with different types of fat),
despite *some* increased problems from the higher percentage of
protein that makes up the diet, has an overall benefit by reducing the
problems that obesity brings on.
Which, I note, they don't address at all.

I am happy to discover that this site doesn't seem to be promoting
their own product, a refreshing discovery.

I've been onthe South Beach Diet for a few months, and have lost over
30 pounds. I have a good doctor (and a good HMO), and I have access to
several specialists, including an endocrinologist.
I do monthly blood/urine tests, specifically because of the danger of
*any* unbalanced diet (which the Atkins type certainly is).

Those who want/need to lose a substantial amount of weight should
definitely not do this alone; they need the help of professionals, and
I don't mean Ted at the gym! Access to medical pros who actually have
some idea of nutrition is essential, which, unfortunately, many don't
have, either becauise they can't, or won't.

As for the Atkins diet causing diabetes, the site you referred to
doesn't say that. Instead, it says that a high-protein diet can
complicate diabetes.
"While high-protein diets may carry potential health risks for anyone
if maintained for more than a few weeks, they are especially risky for
people with recurrent kidney stones, kidney disease, diabetes,
osteoporosis, colon cancer, or heart disease."
What they fail to mention is the much more serious problems the
failure to lose weight *will* cause.

While that site does give some good info, they don't seem to offer
much as an alternative except to say, "eat more veggies." While not a
bad idea, they also point out that the more extreme a diet is, the
less likely the person is to stay on it, which means the extra weight
stays, with dangers that far outweigh the problems of an Atkins-type
diet.

In my own case (which I'm not attempting to present as typical), my
protein intake from meat is about 5-6 ounces a day, which does not
qualify as 'high protein'.
I have a lot of pulled pork lettuce wraps (which I've written about
here before), with a lot of veggies. I'm seldom hungry.
I've cut my insulin dose in half, which is a definite sign of good
things going on. My blood tests are showing continuing improvement in
bodily functions.
The Atkins-type diet certainly can work to reduce weight and the
serious problems that that extra weight produces. If it's abused, it
can (like any abuse problem) cause problems.

Will the Atkins diet cause diabetes? I haven't seen any evidence of
it. Not even on the site you showed us.
Those who use such a diet are doing so because they are overweight, a
condition that itself can cause diabetes.
--
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else.
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Old 13-10-2003, 05:41 AM
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"Kevin S. Wilson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:39:22 GMT, "pavane"
wrote:


"doyle" wrote in message
...
......
I would talk to your doctor before doing the Atkins diet. I know more

than
one person that became diabetic while on it.
......


Atkins eliminates or severely curtails intake of sugars
and carbohydrates. Kindly explain how the avoidance
of these carbs can cause diabetes.

On the other hand, please don't. If you do, do it on
alt.freakin.atkins.diet.

--

Amen to that Kevin. I was just thinkin'..."Here we go again!"

--
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and his 6" boner


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Old 13-10-2003, 05:43 AM
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"doyle" wrote

I am not here to be ridiculed, nor am I a doctor.


If you do not wanna be ridiculed I would recommend not bad mouthing the
Atkins diet here on afb. Consider yourself warned. G

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and his 6" boner


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Old 13-10-2003, 07:07 PM
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High protein, low carbs, moderate execise, red wine with diner.
Have a nice life!
"Eddie" wrote in message
...
I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?
Eddie





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Old 13-10-2003, 07:58 PM
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(Pierre) wrote in message . com...
Local wrote in message ...
In all seriousness, start jogging.

Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.

After 1 year, I dropped to a healthy BMI, and actually eat more crappy
food than I did when I was 'fat'.




In article ,
Eddie wrote:

I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?
Eddie


There's no free ride. Eat right. Excercise. Carbs OK. Protein OK.
Oh, did I mention excercise?

Moo


I have recently read an article in the UK press looking at negative
calorie foods. Its an urban myth that celery for example is negative
calorie, however if you have a sweet tooth, the diet drinks that are
on the market ie diet coke/pepsie contain artificial sweetners
(sacharine etc) which, because of their strength, only require a
miniscule amount to make the drinks sweet. It was estimated that a
diet drink therefore only contained 1 calorie. Your body would use
aprox 10-15 calories to digest the drink making this negative calorie.
Drink this with a green salad once a day and you will cut your calorie
intake down in no time.
Good luck and try a brisk walk after your BBQ.
Oh and cut out the beer!
Graeme
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Old 13-10-2003, 09:27 PM
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Eddie wrote:
I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?


Yep, you'll have to get rid of the K. I'll be glad to take it off your
hands. j/k :-D

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Aloha,

Nathan Lau
San Jose, CA

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Old 13-10-2003, 10:33 PM
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First thing I would do is buy a small notebook and take note of EVERYTHING I
ate every day for two weeks. Note if and how your weight changes. You may
find that the act of recording the things you eat causes you to modify what
you eat, either what it is or how much of it. (The much maligned Hawthorn
Effect. Or someone's observation, "Observing something changes it.")

Second thing I would do is take this list to my doctor and see where she
would suggest changes. You may find that you are eating too much ice cream,
bread or butter. Working with the doctor or a recommended nutritionist, see
if you can devise a few simple modifications of your existing eating habits
that will make you lose a little each week or month and that you can live
with for a long time.

Third thing I would do is start walking a bit more each day. If you can get
up to two miles a day within a few weeks and keep it up, you will be all the
better for it.

This isn't a big deal and doesn't involve going on Weight Washers or Atkins
or any other diet. This type program stands a pretty good chance of
success, because it's built around what you already do and a few simple
changes in your lifestyle.

Barry

"Eddie" wrote in message
...
I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?
Eddie



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"Graeme Walker" wrote in message Good luck
and try a brisk walk after your BBQ.
Oh and cut out the beer!
Graeme


Infidel...
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Old 14-10-2003, 02:33 AM
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That my be fine for calories, but the phosphoric acid in the soft drinks
really raise havoc witht the calcium balance in the bones and teeth.



"Graeme Walker" wrote in message
om...
(Pierre) wrote in message

. com...
Local wrote in message

...
In all seriousness, start jogging.

Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.

After 1 year, I dropped to a healthy BMI, and actually eat more crappy
food than I did when I was 'fat'.




In article ,
Eddie wrote:

I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a

diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I

just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and

my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my

Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?
Eddie


There's no free ride. Eat right. Excercise. Carbs OK. Protein OK.
Oh, did I mention excercise?

Moo


I have recently read an article in the UK press looking at negative
calorie foods. Its an urban myth that celery for example is negative
calorie, however if you have a sweet tooth, the diet drinks that are
on the market ie diet coke/pepsie contain artificial sweetners
(sacharine etc) which, because of their strength, only require a
miniscule amount to make the drinks sweet. It was estimated that a
diet drink therefore only contained 1 calorie. Your body would use
aprox 10-15 calories to digest the drink making this negative calorie.
Drink this with a green salad once a day and you will cut your calorie
intake down in no time.
Good luck and try a brisk walk after your BBQ.
Oh and cut out the beer!
Graeme





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I'm just a lurker here...had to chuckle at your post...not the diet part but
giving up your favorite stuff.
I lost a hundred pounds a few years back.(Was diagnosed with diabetes) I
tried the Adkins Diet...but didn't stay on it because after awhile all that
protein becomes boring. So I went back to eating the stuff I like in
moderation...well maybe less. At holiday meals I would put a tablespoon of
everything I liked on my plate....that way I got to eat everything I
liked...and didn't end up craving for it. If we went out to dinner I would
order a fillet cut it in half...cut my potato in half...and eat my salad. I
also walked allot. I now have severe arthritis in my knees so haven't been
able to walk for any length of time for a year...So have gained some of my
weight back. We have had a pool put in our back yard and I have begun
exercising again. So much for my story The bottom line is to loose weight
we must cut calories...and exercise. Also don't try to loose more then one
or two pounds a week...you will find it stays off longer. Try to cut your
calories by 250 to 500 calories a day. You'll find you won't have to do
without that much if you do that. Weight Watchers does the point thingy and
I could never understand it What I'm trying to say you can still have the
meat you like so well...but just cut back on the amount you usually eat. It
also helps to make an appointment with a Dietician....they can explain allot
to you about diet.
Jacquie

By the way I enjoy reading about barbequing....I'm hoping next year to buy a
smoker...I love those smoked turkey legs


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In article ,
"John O" wrote:

Take it very slow and get up to running 1 hour a day, six days a week.


From the start, how long (in months) did it take you to be able to run for
an hour? I'm having a hard time getting past 30 minutes.

John O



Probably 4 months. The trick is to run slower than you want to when you
start running for exercise. You should run at a pace that you feel is
laughably slow and you could run at that speed all day. I laugh at
newbies who hit the track and sprint/walk. They end up injuired and
swear off running. The natural instinct is to race every workout -
don't do it. You should feel comfortably strong when you finish, not
dying.

Start slow, wear the proper sneakers...

Above all, remember your cardiovascular system and muscles improve much
faster than your ligaments. Run slower and shorter than you know you
are capable of and slowly increase your distance. I run at a given
pace/distance for at least 4 weeks before I increase either.


In the beginning, I ran about 12 miles a week. After about 4 months, I
would run 6 miles in an hour and do about 24 miles per week. After 7
months, I ran my first marathon. After a year, I ran 40 miles a week
and can easily run 8 miles in 60 minutes.

Over the last year, I have dropped my BMI 5 points and lowered my blood
pressure from prehypertensive to normal. Also, I eat like a pig - I
have to eat a lot to support my activity level and not waste away to
nothing.


To make this BBQ*related, running for fitness is like BBQing: patience
is the key.
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Run slower and shorter than you know you
are capable of and slowly increase your distance.


Yeah, that's the problem. I typically do 3 miles in about 20-25 minutes. And
you're right...the number of calories required to support that level of
exercise is tremendous. And that's a good thing!

John O


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Old 17-10-2003, 11:40 PM
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"Eddie" wrote in message
...
I went for a routine check-up with my doctor on Friday last. She
noticed I had gained weight. I agreed. I'm 5'8" and weighed in at
195.6 lbs. She then said (gasp!) "I'm recommending you go on a diet."
And she further stated that I should (double gasp!) try the Weight
Watchers program!
Holy veganmolley! Does that mean I give up my briskets, (which I just
learned to cook), pork shoulder butts which I learned to Q in my
Kamado first? And how about my baby back ribs that I continue to
learn from AFB that there are 100 ways to cook?
Please don't tell me I have to give up those delicacies.
Ok, I'll give up my Baby Ruths, and my 1/4 lb. cinnamon rolls, and my
pig outs at Todai's every once in a while, and maybe even my Dreyer's
Toasted Almond ice cream, but meats?
Omigod, what am I to do?
Eddie


Have a look at this program. It worked for me. I lost 30 pounds in 13
weeks, and I've kept it off for over a year. Others in the program I know
were able to lose a lot more than that. They have local places all over the
country. Find a place near you and go there for the free orientation.

http://www.hmrprogram.com/

Also, Take your current weight, multiply by 12. That's how many calories
you have to eat to maintain your current weight. East less than that, and
you will lose weight. . If you exercise as well (and you should) you can
subtract those calories from your caloric intake (food) and lose even more.
1 pound is 3500 calories, so if you lower your caloric intake by 1000 per
day, you can lose a pound in about 3 days. Eat more fruits and veggies,
drink 64 oz (or more)of water a day, make frequent trips to the bathroom,
and eat some low calorie meals. Every once in a while you can have the BBQ,
but not everyday.

I was 5"8 and about 205 lbs. Now I'm holding steady at 175 with a Body Mass
Index of about 20.

Good Luck with whatever you decide to do! -- David K.



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