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Shiraz + Flank Steak + Charcoal = Incredible flavour!
What else can I say? Some things are just meant to go together.

Ingredients:


•3/4 cup Shiraz wine - We used Wild Horse Canyon '07 Shiraz
•2/3 cup soy sauce
•1/4 cup canola or vegetable oil
•1/4 cup balsamic vinegar
•1/4 cup lemon juice
•2 tablespoons Worcestershire
•2 teaspoons Dijon mustard
•11/2 teaspoons minced garlic
•1 Flank Steak

Method:


•Whisk the first 8 ingredients into a glass bowl.
•Place the steak in a sealable container or ziploc bag.
•Pour marinade over steak and completely cover.
•Place in fridge and marinate 2 hours or overnight, turning
occasionally.
•Remove steak from marinade and cook over a grill at med-high heat.
•Cook to desired doneness, in my case I like it med-rare.
•Allow steak to rest after removing from grill, and then thinly slice
across the grain to serve.

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There's so much wrong here. Let's start the critique. <eg>

On Oct 12, 10:30*am, chris > wrote:
> Shiraz + Flank Steak + Charcoal = Incredible flavour!
> What else can I say? Some things are just meant to go together.


To start with calling out a specific varietal? To *cook* with? I got
four words for you: Paul Mason Hearty Burgundy. Use it for all your
red wine cooking needs. Or whatever's handy. I don't care. The end
result will be essentially the same. I know, I know "hearty burgundy
soy steak" doesn't have the same zing. If you're going for a soundbite
I suggest Malbec-Soy. Or maybe not, sounds a bit too much like a Nazi
concentration camp doesn't it.

> Ingredients:


Usually this would be shown as

MEAT:
Flank Steak (Doh)

Marinade:

> Method:
>
> •Whisk the first 8 ingredients into a glass bowl.


Really? We're fond of whisking flank steak here, really. Maybe if you
listed the marinade separately this very important distinction would
be unnecessary. What if someone can't count? You don't want to be
insensitive to the numerically challenged do you? Can we count you in?

> •Pour marinade over steak and completely cover.
> •Place in fridge and marinate 2 hours or overnight, turning
> occasionally.


Why turn if it's completely covered? Redunant. Ziploc bags are
unbeatable for marinading in BTW.

I'd not thought to add red wine to my soy based marinades though, have
to give it a try.

Soy is very salty and this is a heavy marinade which makes it a little
less versatile. i.e. you wouldn't want to use this flank steak in a
burrito, it should be eaten on it's own, probably with rice to offset
the hearty flavors this would have.

A citrus marinade is my current favorite for flank steak. What's some
others?

And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.



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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:05:46 -0700 (PDT), Duwop >
wrote:

>
>There's so much wrong here. Let's start the critique. <eg>
>
>On Oct 12, 10:30*am, chris > wrote:
>> Shiraz + Flank Steak + Charcoal = Incredible flavour!
>> What else can I say? Some things are just meant to go together.

>
>To start with calling out a specific varietal? To *cook* with? I got
>four words for you: Paul Mason Hearty Burgundy. Use it for all your
>red wine cooking needs. Or whatever's handy. I don't care. The end
>result will be essentially the same. I know, I know "hearty burgundy
>soy steak" doesn't have the same zing. If you're going for a soundbite
>I suggest Malbec-Soy. Or maybe not, sounds a bit too much like a Nazi
>concentration camp doesn't it.
>
>> Ingredients:

>
>Usually this would be shown as
>
>MEAT:
>Flank Steak (Doh)
>
>Marinade:
>
>> Method:
>>
>> •Whisk the first 8 ingredients into a glass bowl.

>
>Really? We're fond of whisking flank steak here, really. Maybe if you
>listed the marinade separately this very important distinction would
>be unnecessary. What if someone can't count? You don't want to be
>insensitive to the numerically challenged do you? Can we count you in?
>
>> •Pour marinade over steak and completely cover.
>> •Place in fridge and marinate 2 hours or overnight, turning
>> occasionally.

>
>Why turn if it's completely covered? Redunant. Ziploc bags are
>unbeatable for marinading in BTW.
>
>I'd not thought to add red wine to my soy based marinades though, have
>to give it a try.
>
>Soy is very salty and this is a heavy marinade which makes it a little
>less versatile. i.e. you wouldn't want to use this flank steak in a
>burrito, it should be eaten on it's own, probably with rice to offset
>the hearty flavors this would have.
>
>A citrus marinade is my current favorite for flank steak. What's some
>others?
>
>And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
>share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
>ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.
>
>


Don't forget plenty of hot air too

Gene

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny"
Thomas Jefferson
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"Duwop" > wrote in message
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There's so much wrong here. Let's start the critique. <eg>

On Oct 12, 10:30 am, chris > wrote:
> Shiraz + Flank Steak + Charcoal = Incredible flavour!
> What else can I say? Some things are just meant to go together.


To start with calling out a specific varietal? To *cook* with? I got
four words for you: Paul Mason Hearty Burgundy. Use it for all your
red wine cooking needs. Or whatever's handy. I don't care. The end
result will be essentially the same. I know, I know "hearty burgundy
soy steak" doesn't have the same zing. If you're going for a soundbite
I suggest Malbec-Soy. Or maybe not, sounds a bit too much like a Nazi
concentration camp doesn't it.

> Ingredients:


Usually this would be shown as

MEAT:
Flank Steak (Doh)

Marinade:

> Method:
>
> •Whisk the first 8 ingredients into a glass bowl.


Really? We're fond of whisking flank steak here, really. Maybe if you
listed the marinade separately this very important distinction would
be unnecessary. What if someone can't count? You don't want to be
insensitive to the numerically challenged do you? Can we count you in?

> •Pour marinade over steak and completely cover.
> •Place in fridge and marinate 2 hours or overnight, turning
> occasionally.


Why turn if it's completely covered? Redunant. Ziploc bags are
unbeatable for marinading in BTW.

I'd not thought to add red wine to my soy based marinades though, have
to give it a try.

Soy is very salty and this is a heavy marinade which makes it a little
less versatile. i.e. you wouldn't want to use this flank steak in a
burrito, it should be eaten on it's own, probably with rice to offset
the hearty flavors this would have.

A citrus marinade is my current favorite for flank steak. What's some
others?

>And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
>share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
>ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.


Chris's post is a very interesting outdoor cooking recipe. Most wouldn't
consider combining shiraz with soy, particularly that much soy. You're even
going to try it. It unquestionably belongs on this NG. You could also post
it on RFC, though it also belongs here.

This is a non moderated NG. Whatever the mission was of the original
founder[s], this NG is about cooking outdoors and what readers and posters
define as barbecue right now, today. You can screech and yell otherwise but
that's what it is. Nothing is going to change that. I'll bet 75% of the
outdoor cooking by readers and posters on this NG is on a gas grill a good
fraction of the time. A substantial fraction grill over charcoal "yes,
grill". A fraction of the charcoal grilling is indirectly roasting with or
without wood. A small fraction on this NG actually smoke frequently in a
smoker. Some of those, thank god, even smoke with charcoal instead of gas.
Most of us smoke or "que" or "BBQ" now and then, though relatively
infrequently.

BTW, shiraz has a unique flavor. It's not comparable to Gallo

Didn't you mean "meat, heat, smoke" and ****, bitch, scream, and other.

Ed

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On Oct 12, 3:05*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:
> Duwop said:
>
> > And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
> > share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
> > ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.

>
> Seriously? You're saying people shouldn't post any recipes here?


Please point out where in my post I made that statement. Saying a
different NG is MORE something implies here is LESS. Less is, last
time I looked, more than NEVER. By something along the lines of
infinite more.

As it's his FIRST post I did wish to share with him the tidbit that
recipe sharing isn't really what this group's about.
Sure, during the course of conversations they come up. And as you say,
some good ones. But the primary thing isn't posting "recipes". I
pointed out a more appropriate NG if that is really what's he's
looking for, thinking I was being helpful.








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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT), Duwop >
wrote:

>On Oct 12, 3:05*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
>september.invalid> wrote:
>> Duwop said:
>>
>> > And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
>> > share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
>> > ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.

>>
>> Seriously? You're saying people shouldn't post any recipes here?

>
>Please point out where in my post I made that statement. Saying a
>different NG is MORE something implies here is LESS. Less is, last
>time I looked, more than NEVER. By something along the lines of
>infinite more.
>
>As it's his FIRST post I did wish to share with him the tidbit that
>recipe sharing isn't really what this group's about.
>Sure, during the course of conversations they come up. And as you say,
>some good ones. But the primary thing isn't posting "recipes". I
>pointed out a more appropriate NG if that is really what's he's
>looking for, thinking I was being helpful.
>
>
>
>
>


And I am sure you were.

This imperfect communications medium called Usenet can not relay vocal
tone, facial expressions, or body posture, as I'm sure you well know.
One person (me) sure understood what you were doing, someone else
might not.

I really wouldn't sweat it.


Just my 2 cents.




Gene

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny"
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Theron wrote:

> This is a non moderated NG. Whatever the mission was of the original
> founder[s], this NG is about cooking outdoors and what readers and
> posters define as barbecue right now, today.


Says who? Are YOU now the moderator that YOU claim doesn't exist?

> You can screech and yell


You can keep being our bitch-slapped fool.

> otherwise but that's what it is. Nothing is going to change that.


Change what? You're the only shit-fer-brains septic-sucker who keeps this
line of crap going.

> I'll bet


You're not qualified to bet.

> 75% of the outdoor cooking by readers and posters on this NG
> is on a gas grill a good fraction of the time. A substantial
> fraction grill over charcoal "yes, grill". A fraction of the
> charcoal grilling is indirectly roasting with or without wood. A
> small fraction on this NG actually smoke frequently in a smoker. Some
> of those, thank god, even smoke with charcoal instead of gas. Most of
> us smoke or "que" or "BBQ" now and then, though relatively
> infrequently.


This is typical Kent babble-drool. You have no idea what anyone does, over
what course of time, and yet that doesn't stop you from making an incredibly
long-winded idiotic statement. The typical Kent "counting and arguing about
the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin".

Now, let's have a show of hands of those who know what we do in this NG?


> BTW, shiraz has a unique flavor. It's not comparable to Gallo


BTW, your opinion has a long history of being nothing but a steady stream of
raw sewage.

> Didn't you mean "meat, heat, smoke" and ****, bitch, scream, and
> other.


No. He meant that you are so cocked up that you need to FOAD.
--
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What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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Nunya Bidnits wrote:

> I think this NG has been taken over by the Kent clones and now
> everyone is ready to assume anyone they don't know is just another
> troll. I'd like to go back to the group being controlled by the
> contributors and not by the trolls.


Good thought.

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you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...

Please KF me. That will help everyone.

Ed



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"Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
> Duwop said:
> > And chris? RFC is more of a recipe newsgroup if you're looking to
> > share those, we're more process oriented since our basic has 3
> > ingredients: meat, heat, smoke.

>
> Seriously? You're saying people shouldn't post any recipes here? That's a
> shame, considering who has posted recipes here in the past, and without
> similar criticism.
>
> Personally, I appreciate the recipes I find here, and there are a bunch
> of really good cooks in this newsgroup whose recipes are well worth
> reading. That, combined with far better noise to signal and poser/troll
> to contributor ratios here than in RFC, and I have no problem with it at
> all.


Never been to RFC and have no intention of going there. ;-)

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On Oct 12, 7:02*pm, "Theron" > wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> Please KF me. That will help everyone.
>
> Ed


Even better, don't go where you're not welcome. THAT will help
everyone, but that's been made clear already hasn't it?
How much clearer can it be made Kent? People know you for a troll,
treat you as a troll, and despise you, yet you come back for more.
That's ****ing sad dude.

I know, I know, it's common sense and makes you responsible for
yourself rather than someone else being responsible for your actions.
But I'm funny that way, I think people should show both these traits.

Kent, why the morphing? Smells like troll doesn't it. Ashamed of your
previous identity? How's this one working out? It's got to be wierd to
be acknowledging your previous slimelife, while signing off as "Ed".
Is that like the comedy show's "special Ed"?



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"Theron" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Please KF me. That will help everyone.
>
> Ed


Like Marty, I'm a bit tired of the fighting. Having to weigh the
knowledge and contributions of the flame war participants, I'm
afraid that you, Theron, are the least valuable participant and
therefore are history for me. Bye.
--
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Then when you get older and
think back, you'll enjoy it
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On 12-Oct-2009, "Theron" > wrote:

> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
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>
> Please KF me. That will help everyone.
>
> Ed


Your wish is my command.

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On Oct 12, 3:29*pm, Gene > wrote:

> And I am sure you were.
>


You have an advanced sense of humor though. <g>

Where you at? We got a few Californians, New Englander's, Texans and
Floridians and a smattering of mid-westerners. Where you hail from
Gene?

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Duwop >
wrote:

>On Oct 12, 3:29*pm, Gene > wrote:
>
>> And I am sure you were.
>>

>
>You have an advanced sense of humor though. <g>
>
>Where you at? We got a few Californians, New Englander's, Texans and
>Floridians and a smattering of mid-westerners. Where you hail from
>Gene?


Chicago Land

Gene

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:47:58 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
> wrote:

>Gene said:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Duwop >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 12, 3:29 pm, Gene > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And I am sure you were.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have an advanced sense of humor though. <g>
>>>
>>> Where you at? We got a few Californians, New Englander's, Texans and
>>> Floridians and a smattering of mid-westerners. Where you hail from
>>> Gene?

>>
>> Chicago Land
>>
>> Gene

>
>Have you ever been to the Weber restaurant there? If so, I'd enjoy reading a
>report.
>
>MartyB in KC
>>
>> "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what
>> medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as
>> are the souls of those who live under tyranny" Thomas Jefferson


Sorry, no. I have past buy it many times when I lived closer to the
one next to Wheaton. You can smell the charcoal driving by and there
parking lot is always packed. They are NOT a cheap place to eat.

I have talked to some people that have tried it and they all said the
food was fantastic. But then again these are the same people that
think Apple Bees' serves real BBQ and pulled pork is best done in a
crock pot.

Sorry I can't give you a review, but if your ever in town I can take
you to a please where the steaks are always great! My house


Gene

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"Theron" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Please KF me. .


No.

> That will help everyone


Not Really. Please leave or FOAD. Either choice would be the REAL solution,
troll.


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"Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in message
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> Let it go.


I hear you, amigo.


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On Oct 13, 2:48*pm, Gene > wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:47:58 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >Gene said:
> >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Duwop >
> >> wrote:

>
> >>> On Oct 12, 3:29 pm, Gene > wrote:

>
> >>>> And I am sure you were.

>
> >>> You have an advanced sense of humor though. <g>

>
> >>> Where you at? We got a few Californians, New Englander's, Texans and
> >>> Floridians and a smattering of mid-westerners. Where you hail from
> >>> Gene?

>
> >> Chicago Land

>
> >> Gene

>
> >Have you ever been to the Weber restaurant there? If so, I'd enjoy reading a
> >report.

>
> >MartyB in KC

>
> > Sorry, no. I have past buy it many times when I lived closer to the

> one next to Wheaton. You can smell the charcoal driving by and there
> parking lot is always packed. They are NOT a cheap place to eat.
>
> I have talked to some people that have tried it and they all said the
> food was fantastic. But then again these are the same people that
> think Apple Bees' serves real BBQ and pulled pork is best done in a
> crock pot.
>
> Sorry I can't give you a review, but if your ever in town I can take
> you to a please where the steaks are always great! My house
>
> Gene
>
><snip>
> - Show quoted text -


Forget Webers restaurant. Spent $55.00 in the Schaumburg location.
Got 2 craft beers, 2 burgers, 1 fry 1 ring. (Waiter was just an
unhappy cocky SOB. If he's that miserable that he can do the job with
his eye's closed. . .WTF. . .you know the drill.)
Burger was average, and thats stretching it.
I haven't been back. They can keep the place.
Pierre

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"Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in message


> > Let it go.

>
> I hear you, amigo.


My seven year old granddaughter plays "Let it be" on the piano,
accompanying the CD. Same with "Ode to Joy."

Killfiling Theron was a joy. ;-)

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On Oct 14, 9:49*pm, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> > "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in message
> > > Let it go.

>
> > I hear you, amigo.

>
> My seven year old granddaughter plays "Let it be" on the piano,
> accompanying the CD. Same with "Ode to Joy."
>
> Killfiling Theron was a joy. ;-)
>


Or:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHksDFHTQI

Though your frst choice is a, well, joy as well.

A full blooded bit of the the symphony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WF0...eature=related

Got to have the chorus!




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On Oct 12, 5:59*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:
> Dave Bugg said:
>
> > Theron wrote:

>
> Dave, why don't you just plonk the stupid prick and go back to enjoying the
> newsgroup? Besides to be honest, I'm tired of seeing this flame war pop up
> like a pimple in every damn thread. I've had him plonked for a long time and
> I plonk entire threads that go this way, but it's getting into every nook
> and cranny of this NG to the point that there is almost nowhere to go to
> escape it without KFing people I'd rather not KF. As long as people respond
> to every nitwit post he makes, he OWNS this NG, plain and simple. It sucks.
> And I bet if he was completely ignored, he'd quit posting, but at this
> point, he clearly knows he's gotten the goat of enough people to make it fun
> to harass this NG.
>
> Let it go.
>
> MartyB




****ING A RIGHT MARTY.

The continuous witch by just a few hunt to ferret out the Kent trolls
ruins thread after thread with their venemous cursing, dissection of
every suspicious post so they can **** on the computer screen with
their self righteous verbal vomit.

I counted the last number of posts that were supposed to posted by
Kent on a recent thread. The self righteous sneerings of the Kent
killers posted more than two to one to Kent's responses.

Now which of these guys can't see the tail wagging the dog here? Who
hasn't figured out how many of us are disgusted by the simple fact
that all someone has to do is post something the Kent busters
>>think<< is suspicious and they dog pile attack someone. It is like

watching a monkey and organ grinder. The organ grinder turns the
crank, and the Kent busters dance. I'll bet they get a helluva laugh
on their end.

Personally, I have my own, low tech method for dealing with annoying
posts. If I recognize the poster, I don't even read it. If I get
snookered into reading a troll why in the ****ing world would I give
some moron the pleasure of seeing me respond in writing? Can you
knotheads even imagine the joy these guys get out of seeing how many
of you they can get to respond, especially if it is obvious they have
really pushed your buttons? You are no more than their puppets.

In case I was obtuse, I would like to second Marty's motion to return
this group to barbecue based discussions with an enjoyable tone.

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Tutall > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 9:49=A0pm, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> > > "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in
> > > messa=

> ge
> > > > Let it go.

> >
> > > I hear you, amigo.

> >
> > My seven year old granddaughter plays "Let it be" on the piano,
> > accompanying the CD. Same with "Ode to Joy."
> >
> > Killfiling Theron was a joy. ;-)


> Or:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnnHksDFHTQI
>
> Though your frst choice is a, well, joy as well.
>
> A full blooded bit of the the symphony.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM-W...ture=3Drelated
>
> Got to have the chorus!


It's the third movement of Beethoven's Ninth, complete with the chorus.
When she first heard it, she didn't think it was the same. Now she knows it
is.

She's learning to play with "We all live in a yellow submarine," too.

I'm on dialup, so I don't do youtube.

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> [ . . . ]
> ****ING A RIGHT MARTY.

[]

He enjoyed your post, too.

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>I counted the last number of posts that were supposed to posted by

Kent on a recent thread.

Uh....ok.

>The self righteous sneerings of the Kent

killers posted more than two to one to Kent's responses.

.....snip the rest of the self-righteous rant

Following each Kent post in anticipation of replies by 'Kent-killers' sort
of splashes the point you were trying to make with a bucket of cold water,
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On Oct 15, 1:21 pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> Following each Kent post in anticipation of replies by 'Kent-killers' sort
> of splashes the point you were trying to make with a bucket of cold water,
> don't ya think Robert?


You play me false, or don't understand. Until I started posting and
reading this group, I had never even heard of Kent, or A Kent, or a
Kent troll. Active in the usenet since '97, and with more than a few
posts under my belt ( http://tinyurl.com/ykeolk4 ) I have never heard
anything about him or it until I got here.

Since these threads are displayed in a tree form, it takes seconds to
see who posts what and to make a simple count. Once this Theron
character started, in reading the posts by Nonny and others, I noticed
that the most vitriolic were the Kent bashers, out in force. It made
me wonder just how many he reeled in with his trolls. I was surprised
at his success. On the woodworking ng, these posts are simply
ignored.

But you need to understand I had no idea he takes on many guises. You
and a couple of others seem to have a handle on his actual identity,
and are the watchdogs for the group. I am reading along on different
posts with many here we all know and like participating and BAM!! you
guys nail him. Many are seemingly innocent posts, some which are
readily replied to here are branded as "Kent" posts, no matter the
name posting.

Hell I don't know if it is someone name Kent or not.

Don't care. Not one bit.

But he seems so disruptive to you guys. And you Dave, especially.
Many here like and respect you, respect your opinions on BBQ, and
obviously like you as they (and me!) have followed along with some of
your more recent challenges in life, always hoping the best for you.
IIRC, your plate has been pretty full this last year with real life
challenges.

So how does some internet weirdo get so far under your skin? The
other attack dog, I understand. Depending on the day, anything can
get under his skin. But you?

I am just more used to seeing a more measured, thoughtful response (or
if you are out, none) to questions posted here, and sound opinions
expressed based on your personal experience.
I know it is wrong, dead wrong, to put any of my personal expectations
on anybody, and I am not. I was just SURPRISED at how involved you
have become in the Kent situation.

I wouldn't know Kent, his aliases, alter egos, nom de plumes, or
anything else and don't want to. Obviously you and others have a book
running on his offenses on other venues as well as this one. That's
too much for me to keep up with. Frankly, <<the only reason>> I read
this thread after the vitriol started running was I saw Marty's
post.

You should notice at NO TIME, EVER have I jumped on the Kent
bandwagon. Not once. Never posted a thing one way or another except
my rather graphic post agreeing with Marty. And it was in the vein of
agreeing to keep this neat little group on track and on a positive
note.

Commenting on anyone that is such a irritant as this Kent person seems
to be isn't worth a minute of typing.

You can't honestly think I would waste my own personal time on some
jackass....

Robert

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> [ . . . ]


"He whose name shall not be spoken" (Kevin S. Wilson) and Kent, the
Morpher, have been trolling here for years. Unfortunately, some otherwise
intelligent people get caught up in the trolls' mischief. KSW hasn't been
around in a while. Maybe he no longer works at the school where he had free
access to Usenet. Maybe he died.

Brick is about the oldest . . . er, I mean longest posting, person on here.
It was he who resurrected a.b.f. He doesn't care about this crap AFAIK.
Neither do I.

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On 16-Oct-2009, Nick Cramer > wrote:

> " > wrote:
> > [ . . . ]

>
> "He whose name shall not be spoken" (Kevin S. Wilson) and Kent, the
> Morpher, have been trolling here for years. Unfortunately, some otherwise
> intelligent people get caught up in the trolls' mischief. KSW hasn't been
> around in a while. Maybe he no longer works at the school where he had
> free
> access to Usenet. Maybe he died.
>
> Brick is about the oldest . . . er, I mean longest posting, person on
> here.
> It was he who resurrected a.b.f. He doesn't care about this crap AFAIK.
> Neither do I.
>
> --
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What Nick said. While I was the squealing wheel that incited action
to redocument a.b.f. and thus get it accepted by the majority of ISP's,
It was Eskwired that started the group and it was Eskwired that
posted the 'NewGroup' booster message that got it redocumented.

I have been aboard since May, 2003.

I don't respond to Trolls.

Brick said that.
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On Oct 16, 8:38*am, "Brick" > wrote:
> On 16-Oct-2009, Nick Cramer > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > " > wrote:
> > > [ . . . ]

>
> > "He whose name shall not be spoken" (Kevin S. Wilson) and Kent, the
> > Morpher, have been trolling here for years. Unfortunately, some otherwise
> > intelligent people get caught up in the trolls' mischief. KSW hasn't been
> > around in a while. Maybe he no longer works at the school where he had
> > free
> > access to Usenet. Maybe he died.

>
> > Brick is about the oldest . . . er, I mean longest posting, person on
> > here.
> > It was he who resurrected a.b.f. He doesn't care about this crap AFAIK.
> > Neither do I.

>
> > --
> > Nick, KI6VAV

>
> What Nick said. While I was the squealing wheel that incited action
> to redocument a.b.f. and thus get it accepted by the majority of ISP's,
> It was Eskwired that started the group and it was Eskwired that
> posted the 'NewGroup' booster message that got it redocumented.
>
> I have been aboard since May, 2003.
>
> I don't respond to Trolls.
>
> Brick said that.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


You brought up my curriosity. I've been posting here since May 2001.
(I let the trolls pass in the night as well.)
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> wrote in message
...
>. On the woodworking ng, these posts are simply
> ignored.


Wow, a memory from the past. Is that rec.woodworking you're
talking about? I was once quite active there under my own name
and with the predecessor handle to "Nonny." Did you ever read
about my Jake's Chair, the haircut story or the one of Old Spot?
I loved that newsgroup, but dropped out after a non-newsgroup
related mishap.

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On 16-Oct-2009, Pierre > wrote:

> On Oct 16, 8:38*am, "Brick" > wrote:


.. . .

> >
> > I have been aboard since May, 2003.
> >
> > I don't respond to Trolls.
> >
> > Brick said that.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> You brought up my curriosity. I've been posting here since May 2001.
> (I let the trolls pass in the night as well.)
> Pierre


I don't believe that I've ever traded posts with you before. But, there's
a lot that I don't remember.

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On Oct 16, 7:08*pm, "Brick" > wrote:
> On 16-Oct-2009, Pierre > wrote:
>
> > On Oct 16, 8:38*am, "Brick" > wrote:

>
> . . .
>
>
>
> > > I have been aboard since May, 2003.

>
> > > I don't respond to Trolls.

>
> > > Brick said that.- Hide quoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -

>
> > You brought up my curriosity. *I've been posting here since May 2001.
> > (I let the trolls pass in the night as well.)
> > Pierre

>
> I don't believe that I've ever traded posts with you before. But, there's
> a lot that I don't remember.
>
>snip<

Well, here ya go.
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On Oct 16, 12:27 pm, "Nonny" > wrote:
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> Wow, a memory from the past. Is that rec.woodworking you're
> talking about? I was once quite active there under my own name
> and with the predecessor handle to "Nonny." Did you ever read
> about my Jake's Chair, the haircut story or the one of Old Spot?
> I loved that newsgroup, but dropped out after a non-newsgroup
> related mishap.



One in the same, good sir! I started post there around '97 - '98, as
well as on the woodturning ng. Between those two groups, I have over
3,000 posts! For a long time, it was a hoppin' place.

It has slowed down a lot over the years, and has been wracked with
some nasty political threads that have hurt a lot of feelings, and
turned a lot of "net" friends against each other.

But it still rattles a long, and there are a lot of good folks that
lurk and post, but in fear of things turning political, just lurk. I
post as I please without much static, but since it is a woodworking
group, I stick to woodworking and leave the politics to others.
That's fight that can't be won. As a professional woodworker, I enjoy
helping others that want to learn the craft, so I concentrate on that
aspect of the ng.

I don't recall your screen name when posting your Jake's chair project
completion, but I remember it! I liked it enough to get the plans and
store them aside. Don't remember the haircut posts, though.

What name were you posting under when you were active over there?
What made you leave? I know sometimes you just get tired of things
and move on, but I am just wondering...

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
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> Tutall > wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 9:49=A0pm, Nick Cramer > wrote:
>> > "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>> > > "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote in
>> > > messa=

>> ge
>> > > > Let it go.
>> >
>> > > I hear you, amigo.
>> >
>> > My seven year old granddaughter plays "Let it be" on the piano,
>> > accompanying the CD. Same with "Ode to Joy."
>> >
>> > Killfiling Theron was a joy. ;-)

>
>> Or:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnnHksDFHTQI
>>
>> Though your frst choice is a, well, joy as well.
>>
>> A full blooded bit of the the symphony.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM-W...ture=3Drelated
>>
>> Got to have the chorus!

>
> It's the third movement of Beethoven's Ninth, complete with the chorus.
> When she first heard it, she didn't think it was the same. Now she knows
> it
> is.
>
> --
> Nick,


It's not the third movement, but the fifth and final movement of Beethoven's
Ninth, or Choral Symphony, as it's sometimes called. We've seen it live a
number of times. It's one of the great "moments" in music.

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"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
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> Theron wrote:
>
>> This is a non moderated NG. Whatever the mission was of the original
>> founder[s], this NG is about cooking outdoors and what readers and
>> posters define as barbecue right now, today.

>
> Says who? Are YOU now the moderator that YOU claim doesn't exist?
>
>> You can screech and yell

>
> You can keep being our bitch-slapped fool.
>
>> otherwise but that's what it is. Nothing is going to change that.

>
> Change what? You're the only shit-fer-brains septic-sucker who keeps this
> line of crap going.
>
>> I'll bet

>
> You're not qualified to bet.
>
>> 75% of the outdoor cooking by readers and posters on this NG
>> is on a gas grill a good fraction of the time. A substantial
>> fraction grill over charcoal "yes, grill". A fraction of the
>> charcoal grilling is indirectly roasting with or without wood. A
>> small fraction on this NG actually smoke frequently in a smoker. Some
>> of those, thank god, even smoke with charcoal instead of gas. Most of
>> us smoke or "que" or "BBQ" now and then, though relatively
>> infrequently.

>
> This is typical Kent babble-drool. You have no idea what anyone does, over
> what course of time, and yet that doesn't stop you from making an
> incredibly long-winded idiotic statement. The typical Kent "counting and
> arguing about the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin".
>
> Now, let's have a show of hands of those who know what we do in this NG?
>
>
>> BTW, shiraz has a unique flavor. It's not comparable to Gallo

>
> BTW, your opinion has a long history of being nothing but a steady stream
> of raw sewage.
>
>> Didn't you mean "meat, heat, smoke" and ****, bitch, scream, and
>> other.

>
> No. He meant that you are so cocked up that you need to FOAD.
> --
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> What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
> you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
>

My statement above is just an opinion. It is not a troll, as your response
suggests. I think recipes should be encouraged on this NG. I have no
interest in control. That's up to a majority of posters.

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On Oct 12, 5:59 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:
> Dave Bugg said:
>
> > Theron wrote:

>
> Dave, why don't you just plonk the stupid prick and go back to enjoying
> the
> newsgroup? Besides to be honest, I'm tired of seeing this flame war pop up
> like a pimple in every damn thread. I've had him plonked for a long time
> and
> I plonk entire threads that go this way, but it's getting into every nook
> and cranny of this NG to the point that there is almost nowhere to go to
> escape it without KFing people I'd rather not KF. As long as people
> respond
> to every nitwit post he makes, he OWNS this NG, plain and simple. It
> sucks.
> And I bet if he was completely ignored, he'd quit posting, but at this
> point, he clearly knows he's gotten the goat of enough people to make it
> fun
> to harass this NG.
>
> Let it go.
>
> MartyB




****ING A RIGHT MARTY.

The continuous witch by just a few hunt to ferret out the Kent trolls
ruins thread after thread with their venemous cursing, dissection of
every suspicious post so they can **** on the computer screen with
their self righteous verbal vomit.

I counted the last number of posts that were supposed to posted by
Kent on a recent thread. The self righteous sneerings of the Kent
killers posted more than two to one to Kent's responses.

Now which of these guys can't see the tail wagging the dog here? Who
hasn't figured out how many of us are disgusted by the simple fact
that all someone has to do is post something the Kent busters
>>think<< is suspicious and they dog pile attack someone. It is like

watching a monkey and organ grinder. The organ grinder turns the
crank, and the Kent busters dance. I'll bet they get a helluva laugh
on their end.

Personally, I have my own, low tech method for dealing with annoying
posts. If I recognize the poster, I don't even read it. If I get
snookered into reading a troll why in the ****ing world would I give
some moron the pleasure of seeing me respond in writing? Can you
knotheads even imagine the joy these guys get out of seeing how many
of you they can get to respond, especially if it is obvious they have
really pushed your buttons? You are no more than their puppets.

In case I was obtuse, I would like to second Marty's motion to return
this group to barbecue based discussions with an enjoyable tone.

Robert

I also second Marty's motion. My post above regarding Chris' "Shiraz-soy
Grilled Flank Steak Recipe" was just my point of view. It wasn't intended
in any fashion to troll*. I know that the definition below has been posted a
number of times. I have not tried in any way to do that. If someone is
interpreting what I've written as that I sincerely apologize.

A recent exception to that is when I told Dave Bugg to "Shut Up" after
hearing "Asshat" and FOAD multiple times. I think the latter can be called a
troll, though I recognize Dave's intent is to get me off the air.

I would like to continue participating in this NG. I have learned a lot, and
I am thankful for that.

Ed

*A troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or
off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion
forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users
into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
discussion.



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