In article . com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:


> RTF = "Rich Text Format"
> HTML = "Hyper Text Markup Language"
>
> **** off if you can't comprehend "Text".

Both RTF and HTML have embedded text, which is the actual information.
The rest is all formatting. A skilled writer can make the embedded text
easy to read, unlike a .doc file, which only a machine can read, as it
is in binary. However, most RTF and HTML are now machine-generated, and
are very difficult for people to read when read as plain text.

As newsgroups are intended mostly for plain text, and most newsreaders
don't interpret RTF or HTML, they are frowned upon in messages.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Nancy Young wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Theron wrote:
>
>>> Fuel Cost Comparison
>>> propane
>>> Walmart "choice" charcoal
>>> Trader Joe's Charcoal
>>> "Lump" Charcoal
>>>
>>> cost
>>> $20.00
>>> $5.27
>>> $6.95
>>> varies
>>>
>> You might look for a better propane supplier. Sounds like you are
>> paying big box megamart we are your friend prices. Typically the
>> local propane suppliers sell a refill for half (around here $9.95).
>> The only drawback is they aren't open at 3 AM.
>
> It's $16 to $20 where I live, too. This is from local fuel places.
> The price has gone up over the years, like anything else, it hasn't
> been $9 for a long time now. One of those things that varies
> widely by region, I guess.
> nancy

A lot of those are just resellers that have a small tank and pump just
to fill grill tanks. The local mom & pop place is actually a good size
outfit. I can also spend up to $24 here. $9.95 is their current price
and they actually completely fill your tank. Some brands that a lot of
the megamarts sell actually intentionally short fill the tank. When it
got a lot of publicity they simply explained they didn't want to raise
the price! Short fill is a price increase.

http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0509/626366.html


The local place recently parked a large truck trailer near the property
with an eye catching paint job proclaiming tank refills for $9.95.

Pete C. > wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:
> >
> > Pete C. > wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
> > > of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
> > > bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
> > > getting 36kbps or better connections generally.
> >
> > Need help?
>
> No, but apparently you do, Mr OCD.

Yes, you obviously need help, but something makes me sure it won't work.

> > Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser
>
> Yes ancient, yes *newsreader*, browser is separate. Indeed I still use
> this ancient *newsreader* since it performs *better* than a number of
> new ones I've tried.

Went right over your head. The point is, HTML has been in use since
1991; your "newsreader" version was released in about 2000; the latest
USEFOR specifications have been released in 2007. What exactly is new
about HTML that the USEFOR experts possibly do not know?

> You need to evolve ludite. Perhaps since you clearly have too much time
> on your hands, you can spend some time working against spam, not valid
> posts.

You first need to learn what *Luddite* is. Then you might possibly
understand the ludicrousness and irrelevancy of your blatherings about
bandwidth. Do you want JavaScript and Flash animations, too? Bandwidth
is not much of a problem, after all. You want something against spam?
Get a newsreader with good killfile capabilities and use a newsserver
with a spam filter.

HTML is never valid on Usenet. There are valid Usenet standards and
protocols. *You* do not set the standards with your ridiculous HTML
"defence". I post the rfc FAQ, in plain text. The FAQ contains
numerous variously formatted tables. The tool needed to format tables,
etc. in plain text is called "tab" (and a monospaced font on the
receiving end). The same FAQ can be found on the Web; I converted it to
HTML about ten years ago. What is it you can tell me about HTML that I
do not already know? Everything has its place. HTML on Usenet is
garbage; it does not add anything at all of the slightest use. You want
HTML, go take part in Web-based discussion forums and leave Usenet
alone. Why don't *you* post HTML, anyway?

Victor

"Gene" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:56:01 -0400, "Cheryl" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
om...
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
>>>>
>>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>>>> group.
>>>
>>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>>>
>>
>>Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
>>do that with plain text.
>
> This is all nonsense. This same crap was posted not long ago. It
> showed the same things. Not much of a difference.
>
> BBQ and grilling is about quality. Some do better with propane, others
> lump. it matters not the few cents saved. People will go with what
> works for them.
>
> Give him a break? No. He knows what he is doing, how to do it better,
> and what form will get the biggest rise out of the regulars.
>
That is plain and simply not true.

Ed

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
>>>
>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>>> group.
>>
>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>>
>
> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
> do that with plain text.
>
Thank you for your comment Cheryl.

Ed

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>>
>> > Theron wrote:
>> >
>> > I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please,
>> > everyone,
>> > delete the crossposting before replying
>>
>> I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
>> delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
>> are you suggesting deleting rfc?
>>
>> Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
>> when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.
>>
>
> Yes, it's crossposted, but within accepted norms, i.e. three groups or
> less (only two here), and relevant groups (cooking in general and
> barbecue specific).
>
I agree with that, though I haven't crossposted in the past, other than by
accident.
>
> Personally, I'll worry about cooking fuel costs when they amount to more
> than a decimal percentage of my income.
>
>
Ed

Ed

you forgot to include a column for electric smokers.
>
>
I thought about that when composing the table. You'd have to know the KW
rate for your area, of course, and do the math after that.

Theron wrote:
> "Gene" > wrote in message

>> Give him a break? No. He knows what he is doing, how to do it better,
>> and what form will get the biggest rise out of the regulars.

> That is plain and simply not true.

It plain and simply is true. This latest subject is a prime example.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:47:48 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:31:41 -0700, Dave Bugg wrote:
>>
>>> Theron wrote:
>>>> "Gene" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> Give him a break? No. He knows what he is doing, how to do it
>>>>> better, and what form will get the biggest rise out of the
>>>>> regulars.
>>>
>>>> That is plain and simply not true.
>>>
>>> It plain and simply is true. This latest subject is a prime example.
>>
>> Ed's snipping left a little to be desired, but I applied his comment
>> to this part of the quoted post:
>>
>> "BBQ and grilling is about quality. Some do better with propane,
>> others lump."
>>
>> Of course I may be FOS, too.
>
> Of course I may have thought that was Ed P (The Real Ed) posting,
> not that douchebag Kent signing his name as Ed.

But I'm sure Ed P is flattered. LOL
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:25:00 -0700, Theron wrote:
>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You
>>> can't
>>> do that with plain text.
>>>
>> Thank you for your comment Cheryl.
>
> Translation: "Sucker!"
>

Translation: You only know how to string one word together.

Wallace wrote:

> you forgot to include a column for electric smokers.

FWIW, here's a breakdown for a cookshack

<http://robosurf.net/tmp/MOD50_KWH_web.pdf>

--
Reg