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I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking
for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... --Brett |
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> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's > looking for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to > quite a wide range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I > value the opinions of y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet > lately... Something in the Weber lineup would be one suggestion. -- Dave What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan |
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vex wrote:
> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking > for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide > range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of > y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... We have a Brinkmann. We have had it for over 4 years and so far we are quite happy with it. After we got it a question came up while putting it together and the company was very responsive and helpful. If he has enough money, I'd suggest getting as many burners as possible so that he can do some offset cooking (heating two or three burners and putting the food on the side that does not have a flame and closing the lid.) Using some hickory chunks wrapped in foil and offset cooking on a gas grill, one can get some interesting results. Not Q, but a tasty facsimile. -- Janet Wilder Way-the-heck-south Texas Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does. |
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vex wrote:
> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking > for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide > range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of > y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... I cook outside virtually every day, since we live in the desert. Over the years, I have found that the Sam's Club stainless grills hold up well, do a good job and have many if not all the features of a much more expensive grill. I am quite pleased with ours. -- Nonny 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.’ Thomas Jefferson, 1802 |
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"vex" > wrote in message ... >I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking >for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of >y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... > > --Brett > The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. Direct heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related parts is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. Ed |
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:16:49 -0700, "vex" > wrote:
>I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking >for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of >y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... > > > > > > > >--Brett > I have one of the cheaper Weber gas grills. Stainless steel, two burners and no side burners. The sucker has an easy ignition system, and while it's getting rusted now and the inside is peeling, I *am* just off the salt water and I've had it for 4 or 5 years. I really like it, as gas grills go. Desideria |
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Theron wrote:
> "vex" > wrote in message > ... >> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's looking >> for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >> range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions of >> y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >> >> --Brett >> > The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. Direct > heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not > important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for > years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related parts > is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco > stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. > > Ed For a real solution to that high heat problem look at: http://bbq.about.com/b/2008/02/19/ch...il-quantum.htm I've used one of these at a buddy's place and they will reliably get the grill temp up to 700+ deg. F, under most conditions. Lowes has a nifty 2 burner one now selling for about $270 - they can't keep them in stock. http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...909&lpage=none But the build quality on a Weber is always outstanding and they last forever. A 3 burner model for about $500 should do the trick and the flavorizer bars are an easy replacement if you're not much on cleaning religiously. There isn't anything Weber makes that isn't the best. I have a tiny single burner picnic model that never fails me - great company, great products. |
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On 5-Jun-2009, "vex" > wrote: > I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's > looking > for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide > range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions > of > y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... This group invites discussion of any kind of outdoor cooking related to BBQ. Not all food is enhanced by low and slow cooking and some downright demands the high heat of a grill. I don't think anyone wants to bar steak from a group that enjoys outdoor gatherings of friends and family. And I for one, sure don't want to prepare steak in my smoker. That said, I'm about to through out my Home Despot "Charmglow" SS gas grill that was the deal of the day one time. It's a POS to clean and the lid open props (stops) failed about the third time I used it. I'm going to buy a Weber with cast iron grates. -- Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: > "vex" > wrote in message > ... > >I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's > >looking > >for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide > >range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions > >of > >y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... > > > > --Brett > > > The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. > Direct > heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not > important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for > years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related > parts > is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco > > stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. > > Ed My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners arranged left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the grill, but it will easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end burner on low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several folks here use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per side to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. -- Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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"Brick" > wrote in message ster.com... > > On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: > >> "vex" > wrote in message >> ... >> >I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >> >looking >> >for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >> >range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions >> >of >> >y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >> > >> > --Brett >> > >> The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. >> Direct >> heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not >> important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for >> years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related >> parts >> is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco >> >> stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. >> >> Ed > > My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners > arranged > left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the > grill, > but it will > easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end burner > on > low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several folks > here > use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. > > As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per side > to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. > > -- > Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) > >700F at the grate isn't hot enough to char with the lid up, as it should >be. 700F may be ok for grilling with the lid down, though I can't imagine >wanting to grill anything at this temp. except possibly pizza. If you grill >steak with the lid down to the point where you have a steakhouse char, as >at Ruth Chris' http://www.ruthschris.com/Menu/Steaks you will have a gray >band under the char much larger than the gray band you see here. It will be >pink only in the center. Ed |
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"Brick" > wrote in message ster.com... > > On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: > >> "vex" > wrote in message >> ... >> >I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >> >looking >> >for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >> >range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions >> >of >> >y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >> > >> > --Brett >> > >> The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. >> Direct >> heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not >> important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for >> years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related >> parts >> is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco >> >> stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. >> >> Ed > > My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners > arranged > left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the > grill, > but it will > easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end burner > on > low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several folks > here > use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. > > As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per side > to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. > > -- > Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) 700F at the grate isn't hot enough to char with the lid up, as you would wish. 700F may be ok for grilling with the lid down, though I can't imagine wanting to grill anything at this temp. except possibly pizza. If you grill steak with the lid down to the point where you have a steakhouse char, as at Ruth Chris' http://www.ruthschris.com/Menu/Steaks you will have a gray band under the char much larger than the gray band you see here. It will be pink only in the center. Ed |
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> "Brick" > wrote in message > ster.com... >> On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: >> >>> "vex" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >>>> looking >>>> for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >>>> range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions >>>> of >>>> y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >>>> >>>> --Brett >>>> >>> The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. >>> Direct >>> heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not >>> important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for >>> years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related >>> parts >>> is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the Costco >>> >>> stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. >>> >>> Ed >> My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners >> arranged >> left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the >> grill, >> but it will >> easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end burner >> on >> low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several folks >> here >> use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. >> >> As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per side >> to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. >> >> -- >> Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) > > 700F at the grate isn't hot enough to char with the lid up, as you would > wish. > 700F may be ok for grilling with the lid down, though I can't imagine > wanting to grill anything at this temp. except possibly pizza. If you grill > steak with the lid down to the point where you have a steakhouse char, as > at Ruth Chris' http://www.ruthschris.com/Menu/Steaks you will have a gray > band under the char much larger than the gray band you see here. It will be > pink only in the center. > > Ed The best way to get a perfect char, as you call a Steakhouse Char and I refer to as Char Rare, you can use an infrared heat element and a V grate. My own is home built, but essentially consists of two side by side IR emitters from Barbeques Galore, connected with a home built manifold and venturis to a ball valve. When lit, they emit little visible flame, but the heat is almost instant and you can't hold a hand 3' above the elements. The steaks, burgers or anything else I want to char sit on a SS grate of V-shaped pieces, with the openings upward. I've seen this in some grills before, and trust me, it works swell. The grates cover about 50% of the surface, collecting juices that evaporate under the meat. The rest do fall through onto the ceramic emitter's surfaces. The interesting part is that there is very little flame, since the heat is so intense the juices seem to evaporate and there's not the flare up of burning fat like you have in even the best traditional gas grills. My theory is that the fat and juice falling toward the burner surface don't "burn" per se, because there's little or no oxygen in the close area. There is a lot of white smoke, however, but it's not the black, carbon-depositing smoke you get with a flame-up on a regular grill. 1" steaks cooked from room temperature take exactly 2 minutes per side. More and they become medium and less leaves the inside too raw for my taste. FWIW, a relative has a NG fired IR grill he paid over $1200 for 12 years ago. It has the same V-shaped grate system as my little one, but only one IR emitter, set far lower (away from the grate) than mine. It's much more like a traditional grill, complete with flare-ups on occasion, but his V-shaped grates do work well and the flare ups are about as few and far between as I have on my regular gas grill using ceramic flame tamers. I've noticed that IR is becoming increasingly popular in grills, including even some at Sam's Club. -- Nonny 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.’ Thomas Jefferson, 1802 |
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On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:10:28 GMT, "Brick" >
wrote: > >On 5-Jun-2009, "vex" > wrote: > >> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >> looking >> for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a wide >> range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the opinions >> of >> y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... > >This group invites discussion of any kind of outdoor cooking related >to BBQ. Not all food is enhanced by low and slow cooking and some >downright demands the high heat of a grill. I don't think anyone wants >to bar steak from a group that enjoys outdoor gatherings of friends >and family. And I for one, sure don't want to prepare steak in my >smoker. > >That said, I'm about to through out my Home Despot "Charmglow" >SS gas grill that was the deal of the day one time. It's a POS to >clean and the lid open props (stops) failed about the third time I >used it. I'm going to buy a Weber with cast iron grates. Going to buy a Weber gas grill? I'd be interested in knowing which one. My next purchase will be a Weber kettle, maybe one of the ones with a table built up around it. But not soon, as this place gets major winds and the kettle would be too likely to be blown over here. Desideria |
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"Nonnymus" > wrote in message ... > Theron wrote: >> "Brick" > wrote in message >> ster.com... >>> On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: >>> >>>> "vex" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >>>>> looking >>>>> for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a >>>>> wide >>>>> range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the >>>>> opinions >>>>> of >>>>> y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >>>>> >>>>> --Brett >>>>> >>>> The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. >>>> Direct >>>> heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not >>>> important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for >>>> years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related >>>> parts >>>> is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the >>>> Costco >>>> >>>> stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. >>>> >>>> Ed >>> My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners >>> arranged >>> left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the >>> grill, >>> but it will >>> easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end >>> burner >>> on >>> low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several >>> folks >>> here >>> use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. >>> >>> As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per >>> side >>> to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. >>> >>> -- >>> Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) >> >> 700F at the grate isn't hot enough to char with the lid up, as you would >> wish. >> 700F may be ok for grilling with the lid down, though I can't imagine >> wanting to grill anything at this temp. except possibly pizza. If you >> grill >> steak with the lid down to the point where you have a steakhouse char, as >> at Ruth Chris' http://www.ruthschris.com/Menu/Steaks you will have a gray >> band under the char much larger than the gray band you see here. It will >> be >> pink only in the center. >> >> Ed > > The best way to get a perfect char, as you call a Steakhouse Char and I > refer to as Char Rare, you can use an infrared heat element and a V grate. > My own is home built, but essentially consists of two side by side IR > emitters from Barbeques Galore, connected with a home built manifold and > venturis to a ball valve. When lit, they emit little visible flame, but > the heat is almost instant and you can't hold a hand 3' above the > elements. The steaks, burgers or anything else I want to char sit on a SS > grate of V-shaped pieces, with the openings upward. I've seen this in some > grills before, and trust me, it works swell. The grates cover about 50% > of the surface, collecting juices that evaporate under the meat. The rest > do fall through onto the ceramic emitter's surfaces. The interesting part > is that there is very little flame, since the heat is so intense the > juices seem to evaporate and there's not the flare up of burning fat like > you have in even the best traditional gas grills. > > My theory is that the fat and juice falling toward the burner surface > don't "burn" per se, because there's little or no oxygen in the close > area. There is a lot of white smoke, however, but it's not the black, > carbon-depositing smoke you get with a flame-up on a regular grill. > > 1" steaks cooked from room temperature take exactly 2 minutes per side. > More and they become medium and less leaves the inside too raw for my > taste. > > FWIW, a relative has a NG fired IR grill he paid over $1200 for 12 years > ago. It has the same V-shaped grate system as my little one, but only one > IR emitter, set far lower (away from the grate) than mine. It's much more > like a traditional grill, complete with flare-ups on occasion, but his > V-shaped grates do work well and the flare ups are about as few and far > between as I have on my regular gas grill using ceramic flame tamers. > > I've noticed that IR is becoming increasingly popular in grills, including > even some at Sam's Club. > > -- > Nonny > Nonny, can you take a digital photo of your infrared setup and post it here? I'd sure like to see what it looks like. It would be interesting to know the temp. at the grate level. As high as 1500F? You're indirectly addressing my question about infrared grills. Will any commercial moderately priced infrared grill char a steak as your grill does? Ed |
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Theron wrote:
> "Nonnymus" > wrote in message > ... >> Theron wrote: >>> "Brick" > wrote in message >>> ster.com... >>>> On 5-Jun-2009, "Theron" > wrote: >>>> >>>>> "vex" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> I have a friend that wants to replace his gasser that died and he's >>>>>> looking >>>>>> for recommendations. His budget is $4-700, so he's open to quite a >>>>>> wide >>>>>> range of stuff. I know this is a bbq newsgroup, but I value the >>>>>> opinions >>>>>> of >>>>>> y'all... Not to mention it's been sort of quiet lately... >>>>>> >>>>>> --Brett >>>>>> >>>>> The problem with all "gassers" is that they don't grill hot enough. >>>>> Direct >>>>> heat from propane just isn't hot enough to char a steak. If that's not >>>>> important, I'd look at the Weber. I've had a Weber Silver Genesis B for >>>>> years with minimal problems. Replacing grates and other wear related >>>>> parts >>>>> is easy, just a trip to Home Depot. I wonder how the grates on the >>>>> Costco >>>>> >>>>> stainless steel grills get replaced after several years. >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>> My 'gasser' is strange. It easily reaches 700°F. It has three burners >>>> arranged >>>> left, right and center. I have a smoker, so I don't make 'Q' in the >>>> grill, >>>> but it will >>>> easily create the climate necessary to make 'Q'. With just one end >>>> burner >>>> on >>>> low, it will easily run in the 225°F range on the other end. Several >>>> folks >>>> here >>>> use nothing but gas cookers and they make quite acceptable 'Q'. >>>> >>>> As for steaks, mine cut at 1-1/2 inches take about 2-1/2 minutes per >>>> side >>>> to reach medium rare. They get a nice char on the outside. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brick WA7ERO (Youth is wasted on young people) >>> 700F at the grate isn't hot enough to char with the lid up, as you would >>> wish. >>> 700F may be ok for grilling with the lid down, though I can't imagine >>> wanting to grill anything at this temp. except possibly pizza. If you >>> grill >>> steak with the lid down to the point where you have a steakhouse char, as >>> at Ruth Chris' http://www.ruthschris.com/Menu/Steaks you will have a gray >>> band under the char much larger than the gray band you see here. It will >>> be >>> pink only in the center. >>> >>> Ed >> The best way to get a perfect char, as you call a Steakhouse Char and I >> refer to as Char Rare, you can use an infrared heat element and a V grate. >> My own is home built, but essentially consists of two side by side IR >> emitters from Barbeques Galore, connected with a home built manifold and >> venturis to a ball valve. When lit, they emit little visible flame, but >> the heat is almost instant and you can't hold a hand 3' above the >> elements. The steaks, burgers or anything else I want to char sit on a SS >> grate of V-shaped pieces, with the openings upward. I've seen this in some >> grills before, and trust me, it works swell. The grates cover about 50% >> of the surface, collecting juices that evaporate under the meat. The rest >> do fall through onto the ceramic emitter's surfaces. The interesting part >> is that there is very little flame, since the heat is so intense the >> juices seem to evaporate and there's not the flare up of burning fat like >> you have in even the best traditional gas grills. >> >> My theory is that the fat and juice falling toward the burner surface >> don't "burn" per se, because there's little or no oxygen in the close >> area. There is a lot of white smoke, however, but it's not the black, >> carbon-depositing smoke you get with a flame-up on a regular grill. >> >> 1" steaks cooked from room temperature take exactly 2 minutes per side. >> More and they become medium and less leaves the inside too raw for my >> taste. >> >> FWIW, a relative has a NG fired IR grill he paid over $1200 for 12 years >> ago. It has the same V-shaped grate system as my little one, but only one >> IR emitter, set far lower (away from the grate) than mine. It's much more >> like a traditional grill, complete with flare-ups on occasion, but his >> V-shaped grates do work well and the flare ups are about as few and far >> between as I have on my regular gas grill using ceramic flame tamers. >> >> I've noticed that IR is becoming increasingly popular in grills, including >> even some at Sam's Club. >> >> -- >> Nonny >> > > Nonny, can you take a digital photo of your infrared setup and post it here? > I'd sure like to see what it looks like. It would be interesting to know the > temp. at the grate level. As high as 1500F? You're indirectly addressing my > question about infrared grills. Will any commercial moderately priced > infrared grill char a steak as your grill does? > > Ed http://s483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/Nonnymus01/ is what I think the URL to be for some photos I have of it and a few other things I've built. There are 3 views of it and I apologize if you have to dig a little bit to locate them. Dunno the temp of the grill, but at 3' you can't hold your hand over it. The one I started with was by Barbeques Galore as a portable IR grill running on LP. -- Nonny 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.’ Thomas Jefferson, 1802 |
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