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When I saw one of these vacuum sealers in Popular Science Magazine, I
had to give it a try. Despite the stupid name, it works and works well.
In our house, counter top space is at a premium and I have a personal
aversion to having to put stuff under the cabinets between uses. The
Frisper is little more than palm sized, but does essentially the same
job vacuum bagging things as does my full sized Foodsaver. The best
part is that you can very easily reuse the bags.

The way it works uses a regular vacuum bag with the internal ridges to
let air be removed. However, the Oliso bags are like Zip Locx bags and
can be slide sealed and unsealed. The pull a vacuum in one, you just
slam the lid on the Frisper on the bag. The Frisper has a little punch
that pierces the bag and sucks the air out. Then, it heat seals the
hole it made. Holes can be as close together as about 2", so a bag can
be reused a number of times. The bags are great for cheese, coffee
beans and that kind of thing where you use a little, then rebag what's
left over. I used to put ribs or pulled pork in small, individual bags,
but now use the resealable Frisper bags since they're so quick and easy
to reseal. I tried it with regular Zip Lock bags, but as expected, they
won't permit air to be pulled out.

One big attraction for me is that my Frisper has a footprint about the
size of a small cannister, letting me store my big Foodsaver until I
need vacuum marinade something in a cannister jar. It seems to be well
made and works great- I recommend it.
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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:42 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>
>> One big attraction for me is that my Frisper has a footprint about the
>> size of a small cannister, letting me store my big Foodsaver until I
>> need vacuum marinade something in a cannister jar. It seems to be well
>> made and works great- I recommend it.

>
> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>
> -=sw


http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php

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> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:42 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>
>>> One big attraction for me is that my Frisper has a footprint about the
>>> size of a small cannister, letting me store my big Foodsaver until I
>>> need vacuum marinade something in a cannister jar. It seems to be well
>>> made and works great- I recommend it.

>>
>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>
>> -=sw

>
> http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
>


H'mmmm, you don't suppose it would work with regular ZipLock bags, do
you...?
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> Nonnymus > wrote in :
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>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:42 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>>
>>>> One big attraction for me is that my Frisper has a footprint about the
>>>> size of a small cannister, letting me store my big Foodsaver until I
>>>> need vacuum marinade something in a cannister jar. It seems to be well
>>>> made and works great- I recommend it.
>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>>
>>> -=sw

>> http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
>>

>
> H'mmmm, you don't suppose it would work with regular ZipLock bags, do
> you...?


Naturally, I had to try a regular Zip Lock bag to see what happens. If
you do the hole near the food, and if the food is dry- like a cheese-
you get something akin to a vacuum draw down, but it's not nearly as
good as their own bags.

Does anyone have a recommended source for more of their zipper-type bags?

Nonny

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Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> "Nonnymus" > wrote
>
>> One big attraction for me is that my Frisper has a footprint about the
>> size of a small cannister, letting me store my big Foodsaver until I
>> need vacuum marinade something in a cannister jar. It seems to be well
>> made and works great- I recommend it.

>
> So do I understand correctly that you can use this to vacuum marinate meat?
> In a cannister, or in the bag?
>
> As far as substitute bags, and home made vac marinators, I have wondered
> about those big clothing storage bags you suck the air from with a vacuum
> cleaner... seems like it oughta hold several briskets! Might need a wet vac
> though....
>
> I am only half kidding, I started a thread today on AFE looking for
> recommendation on a good vacuum marinating setup that is big enough for
> large cuts like briskets and butts.
>
> MartyB in KC
>
>

The biggest bags they offer are 1-gallon. For a marinade, I use my
Foodsaver with the biggest cannisters. Two of the big cannisters hold 3
racks of back ribs, typically. I also have a Foodsaver flat marinade
cannister, but seldom use it. The smaller cannisters are great for
small quantities of wings, I've found. For something huge, like a
picnic, I've thought about cobbling up something using the Frisper, a
piece of a Frisper bag and a compactor bag (the plastic kind). I've not
done it, but it's tempting to at least try.

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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:12:07 -0600, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>>> http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php

>> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out the
>> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

>
> Does it seal the hole to the other side of the bag, so that
> removing the items inside would be difficult if you punch it too
> close to the center?
>
> -sw

Precisely. However, you can do multiple holes down the sides the bags.

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> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:07:08 -0600, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
>> As far as substitute bags, and home made vac marinators, I have wondered
>> about those big clothing storage bags you suck the air from with a vacuum
>> cleaner... seems like it oughta hold several briskets! Might need a wet vac
>> though....

>
> You really can't create a vacuum in a bag that contains liquid -
> at least not with any foodsaver or other home vacuum device. As
> soon as most of the air is sucked out, you start sucking out the
> liquid.
>
> The rigid Foodsaver containers that suck from the top of an
> enclosed space would work, though.
>
> -sw

Steve, the meat itself holds the bag "open" and if you don't fill it
with marinade, you can still pull a true vacuum- just like when you
vacuum bag anything.

FWIW, I'lve been keeping my eyeballs out for a 12" or larger piece of
PVC about 2' to 30" long. I could easily enclose one end with a piece
of 3/4" melamine board, cut oversized and held in place with a silicone
sealer gasket. The other could be modified with a Foodsaver vac lid. .
.. get my drift?

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On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
> >
> > >> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
> > >
> > > http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php

> >

> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
> the
> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.


Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
level.

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On 1-Dec-2007, Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:07:08 -0600, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
> > As far as substitute bags, and home made vac marinators, I have wondered
> > about those big clothing storage bags you suck the air from with a
> > vacuum
> > cleaner... seems like it oughta hold several briskets! Might need a wet
> > vac
> > though....

>
> You really can't create a vacuum in a bag that contains liquid -
> at least not with any foodsaver or other home vacuum device. As
> soon as most of the air is sucked out, you start sucking out the
> liquid.
>
> The rigid Foodsaver containers that suck from the top of an
> enclosed space would work, though.
>
> -sw


What Steve said, but if you're bound and determined to vac-pak
soup, you can prefreeze it and then vac-pak it. It's a two step
process, but I do that with losts of stuff that has a tendency
to suck liquid into the machine. (I use a snorkel sealer that has
it's own peculiar set of limitations.

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Brick wrote:
> On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>>> http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php

>> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
>> the
>> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

>
> Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
> 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
> concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
> level.
>


I think the gimmick is that they are reusable...

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In article <xJr4j.540$o_6.187@trnddc08>,
says...
>
> On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
>
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
> > > >
> > > >
http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
> > >

> > Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
> > the
> > air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

>
> Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
> 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
> concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
> level.
>
>

Speaking of cheaper bags, does anyone have a recommendation on a low-
priced source for food-grade, boilable vacuum bags, either in rolls or
pre-cut? They're for use with a FoodSaver machine, but they don't have
to be embossed with air channels like the FoodSaver branded bags -
smooth on both sides is fine. (I use the FoodSaver hack someone
suggested some time back.)

Thanks,
Bob
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> In article <xJr4j.540$o_6.187@trnddc08>,
> says...
>> On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>>>>
http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
>>> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
>>> the
>>> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

>> Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
>> 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
>> concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
>> level.
>>
>>

> Speaking of cheaper bags, does anyone have a recommendation on a low-
> priced source for food-grade, boilable vacuum bags, either in rolls or
> pre-cut? They're for use with a FoodSaver machine, but they don't have
> to be embossed with air channels like the FoodSaver branded bags -
> smooth on both sides is fine. (I use the FoodSaver hack someone
> suggested some time back.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob


Tell me about the hack, please?
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> In article <xJr4j.540$o_6.187@trnddc08>,
> says...
>> On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
>>>>>
http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
>>> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
>>> the
>>> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

>> Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
>> 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
>> concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
>> level.
>>
>>

> Speaking of cheaper bags, does anyone have a recommendation on a low-
> priced source for food-grade, boilable vacuum bags, either in rolls or
> pre-cut? They're for use with a FoodSaver machine, but they don't have
> to be embossed with air channels like the FoodSaver branded bags -
> smooth on both sides is fine. (I use the FoodSaver hack someone
> suggested some time back.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob



http://www.sorbentsystems.com/vacuum_bags.html
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On 2-Dec-2007, Sarah Gray > wrote:

> Brick wrote:
> > On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
> >>>> http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
> >> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
> >> the
> >> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.

> >
> > Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
> > 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
> > concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
> > level.
> >

>
> I think the gimmick is that they are reusable...
>
> --
>
> Sarah Gray


If you could get the bags for a dime apiece, it wouldn't matter.

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spam.windstream.net says...
> yetanotherBob wrote:
> > In article <xJr4j.540$o_6.187@trnddc08>,
> > says...
> >> On 1-Dec-2007, "Nunya Bidnits" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:46 -0800, Nonnymus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Got a link for or picture of this thing?
> >>>>>
http://oliso.com/frisper/index.php
> >>> Checked it out, its pretty cool. Punches a hole in the back to suck out
> >>> the
> >>> air and then heat seals the hole. Nifty concept.
> >> Whoop tee doo! They'll sell you quart bags for 60¢/pc or gallons for
> >> 86¢/pc. I can just see myself using a lot of those. Yes, it is a nifty
> >> concept. Now all they have to do is get the price down to a useable
> >> level.
> >>
> >>

> > Speaking of cheaper bags, does anyone have a recommendation on a low-
> > priced source for food-grade, boilable vacuum bags, either in rolls or
> > pre-cut? They're for use with a FoodSaver machine, but they don't have
> > to be embossed with air channels like the FoodSaver branded bags -
> > smooth on both sides is fine. (I use the FoodSaver hack someone
> > suggested some time back.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob

>
>
> http://www.sorbentsystems.com/vacuum_bags.html
>

Thanks for the link. At one time I had a bookmark for Sorbent Systems
but it no doubt got lost somewhere along the line and I just couldn't
remember the name. I do recall a few discussions some time back where
their machines also got high marks along with their pricing for bag
material.

The FoodSaver "hack" is simply to cut a strip from the embossed side of
a FoodSaver bag, then place it into the smooth-sided bag so that it
extends from the FoodSaver vacuum channel, across the sealing element
and into the bag a bit. This provides a path for the FoodSaver to draw
a vacuum from smooth-sided bags, almost as quickly as it would with the
fully-embossed FoodSaver bags. A strip about 1" wide by 2" or 3" long
works well with my FoodSaver. The embossed strip just gets sealed up
between the sides of the smooth bag, no problem.

And thanks to whomever came up with this great idea in the first place!
Aside from the $$$ savings on bags, it's also a good way to recycle used
FoodSaver bag material, particularly from bags that would just get
tossed out because they're too small for another use.

Bob


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Brick wrote:
>
> If you could get the bags for a dime apiece, it wouldn't matter.
>

On the other hand, Zip-Lock did some tests comparing their freezer bags
with a vacuum sealer and found... drum roll please.... no difference.

If you are trying to force flavor into meat, maybe it would make a
difference, but even there the gurus in this newsgroup argue.

If you want to boil the food in the bag, it probably would make a
difference, but for just storage, get the freezer bags at the store.

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yetanotherBob wrote:

etween the sides of the smooth bag, no problem.
>
> And thanks to whomever came up with this great idea in the first place!
> Aside from the $$$ savings on bags, it's also a good way to recycle used
> FoodSaver bag material, particularly from bags that would just get
> tossed out because they're too small for another use.
>

You're welcome. I've not tried my hack with the Oliso Frisper, and
kinda doubt if it'll work because of what I think is the weaker sealing
element. When I try it, I'll post the results. FWIW, I got the Pro 600
from Kohl's and it seems pretty good. I got it for $400, less 20% for
opening a charge account (I'll close it after the bill comes) and
another $50 discount from Kitchenaid. Thanks to all for the comments.

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yetanotherBob wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>> And thanks to whomever came up with this great idea in the first place!
>>> Aside from the $$$ savings on bags, it's also a good way to recycle used
>>> FoodSaver bag material, particularly from bags that would just get
>>> tossed out because they're too small for another use.
>>>

>> You're welcome. I've not tried my hack with the Oliso Frisper, and
>> kinda doubt if it'll work because of what I think is the weaker sealing
>> element. When I try it, I'll post the results.
>>

> A great idea, one of those "Why didn't I think of that?" things, for
> sure.
>
> I've taken the liberty of nominating it for a 2007 Otto D. Bach's award.
>
> (I just wanted to let you know so that you're not completely surprised
> when you get the invite to Bayonne for the presentation ceremony.)
>
> Bob


I'll eagerly await the invitation, along with several others I've been
anticipating, such as the Vatican (sainthood), Mormons (prophet), Nobel
Committee, Publisher's Clearing House and IRS (Compliance audit).<grin>
My bags are packed for any such call. The main question is whether
there is decent barbecue in the northeast, or whether I should also pack
a little bit just to keep my motor running?

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