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[email protected] 30-12-2005 10:07 AM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust. They don't seem to have it at Ralph's. All they had was a bunch
of nabisco Honey Maid graham crackers. America's Test Kitchen said
those are pretty good but not as good as the original ones. Do you guys
know if they still sell the original ones? Does it say honey maid on
the box or not? Should I keep looking in other stores or am I out of
luck?


Reg 30-12-2005 11:39 AM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
wrote:

On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust. They don't seem to have it at Ralph's. All they had was a bunch
of nabisco Honey Maid graham crackers. America's Test Kitchen said
those are pretty good but not as good as the original ones. Do you guys
know if they still sell the original ones? Does it say honey maid on
the box or not? Should I keep looking in other stores or am I out of
luck?


I belive ATK is referring to the Honey Maid brand. They must
be. Nabisco don't make any labeled "original", or any graham
crackers not under the Honey Maid brand (except for something
called "Teddy Grahams", which I don't think you want). Honey
Maid has been around since the 1920's. That's pretty "original".

See
http://www.nabiscoworld.com/Brands/brandlist.aspx?SiteId=1&CatalogType=1&BrandKey=hon eymaid&BrandLink=/honeymaid/&BrandId=70&PageNo=1
and
http://www.nabiscoworld.com/BRANDS/BRANDLIST.ASPX?SITEID=1&CATALOGTYPE=1&BRANDKEY=HON EYMAID&BRANDLINK=/HONEYMAID/&BRANDID=70&PageNo=2

As an aside, it would be easy to boost the molasses flavor
by substituting brown sugar for white sugar in your crust
recipe.

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chembake 30-12-2005 12:02 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust


IMO it would be sheer stupidity to be literal in the interpretation of
recipesgrin...
Original or imitation graham crackers don't matter much if used only as
crust for a cheesecake.


Vox Humana 30-12-2005 02:25 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 

"chembake" wrote in message
oups.com...
On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust


IMO it would be sheer stupidity to be literal in the interpretation of
recipesgrin...
Original or imitation graham crackers don't matter much if used only as
crust for a cheesecake.


Exactly, but this goes back to my point about ATK/Cook's Illustrated/Alton
Brown. Sometimes they go out of their way to make distinctions that have
very little difference. The concepts may be good - i.e., reduce cooking to
a pure science, but the way they execute it is problematic. In most cases
they commit the same errors that they claim to address because their
evaluations are purely subjective. The "very best super high quality"
skillet that they use is only the best because it functions they way THEY
THINK is best in THEIR kitchen they way that THEY use it. Often the VERY
BEST INGREDIENT is something that is only available in the NE region of the
US, so it makes no difference since it isn't available in my supermarket.



D.Currie 30-12-2005 04:43 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 

"chembake" wrote in message
oups.com...
On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust


IMO it would be sheer stupidity to be literal in the interpretation of
recipesgrin...
Original or imitation graham crackers don't matter much if used only as
crust for a cheesecake.


There are some pretty weird graham crackers out there, which a person might
want to avoid when trying to make a specific recipe. I ran into a similar
problem when I was making a graham cracker crust. I wasn't looking for
anything in particular, but I also didn't want extra flavorings. What I
found were boxes and boxes of cinnamon, chocolate and extra-honey-sweetened
or frosted crackers next to some no-fat, low-carb and other modifications.

If I was just buying the grahams for snacking, it wouldn't have made a whole
lot of difference, and for the cost, if I didn't like them, I could have
thrown them out without much loss. But if I was taking the time to make my
own crust and my own pie, I didn't want some funky off-flavored graham
crackers to ruin it.




Richard Crowley 30-12-2005 05:02 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
"D.Currie" wrote ...
There are some pretty weird graham crackers out there,
which a person might want to avoid when trying to make
a specific recipe. .....


IMHO, the "official, original" Nabisco Honey Maid Graham
Crackers themselves aren't what they used to be.

The physical size has been creeping down to where they are
now noticably narower than they used to be. The individual
"halves" used to be square (1:1), but no longer. It would
appear that this is a gradual cost-cutting measure. (?)

And the flavor is not what I remember as a child (or even
just 10 years ago, etc.) To me, they taste much more like
the "generic, low-quality" graham crackers you see from
the 2nd-tier and OEM sources. Is it the type of shortening
they use or ???

Is it possible to make your own? Are there recepies, etc?

Reg 30-12-2005 05:07 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
Richard Crowley wrote:

"D.Currie" wrote ...

There are some pretty weird graham crackers out there, which a person
might want to avoid when trying to make a specific recipe. .....



IMHO, the "official, original" Nabisco Honey Maid Graham
Crackers themselves aren't what they used to be.
The physical size has been creeping down to where they are now noticably
narower than they used to be. The individual
"halves" used to be square (1:1), but no longer. It would
appear that this is a gradual cost-cutting measure. (?)

And the flavor is not what I remember as a child (or even
just 10 years ago, etc.) To me, they taste much more like
the "generic, low-quality" graham crackers you see from the 2nd-tier and
OEM sources. Is it the type of shortening
they use or ???

Is it possible to make your own? Are there recepies, etc?


Complete with dimension specifications:

http://www.recipelink.com/ch/2002/december/lowfattopsecretrecipes3.html

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Reg 30-12-2005 05:18 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
chembake wrote:

On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust



IMO it would be sheer stupidity to be literal in the interpretation of
recipesgrin...


Yes, but often beginning cooks like the security that
comes with a very specific recipe. It very easy to refer
to beginners as stupid when you yourself have a lot of
experience at something, but it's not all that helpful.

Original or imitation graham crackers don't matter much if used only as
crust for a cheesecake.


Any minor differences between brands can be easily adjusted
in the crust recipe.

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chembake 30-12-2005 08:13 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
Yes, but often beginning cooks like the security that
comes with a very specific recipe. It very easy to refer
to beginners as stupid when you yourself have a lot of
experience at something, but it's not all that helpful.


When I was young about 15 and already know how to bake....Whenever a
new recipe book comes to my hands, it had already become my habit to
ask myself if its really necesssary to go to great lengths just to get
the specific material that the cookbook author specifies in the
recipe that is incidentally not available. in the cupboard or the
local stores.
My mom who was my first baking tutor at the start told me if you want
to succeed in baking is to follow the book to the letter.( especially
with ingredients and measurements...)
I thought about it....what is the difference?.......I don't believe
that these recipes were mandated by god that it will fail and I go to
hell if I deviate occasionally.
One recipe I ;disobeyed ' IIRC from a borrowed cookbook
It says all purpose flour.....so I ask myself what is the difference
between two brands of equally well known all purpose flour..?
They are both similar IMO ......how does it differ from toilet
paper?.......I have used different brands and they feel the same to my
arse. So what the big deal about brand name?
Anyway to cut the story short I made that recipe ( IIRC a soft roll
recipe ) and I don't care if whatever the brand I am using ( I only had
Pillsbury APF during that time and the recipe states Gold Medal )and in
the end it comes out fine .
Then my mom came to see to checked what I have done( if I really
searched the local stores for the ingredient declared in the recipe)
and seeing that it comes out perfect even if I am deviating from the
ingredients specification....
She just said with a repressed smile.( maybe out of slight
embarrassment?)....you are really a smart kid.....
Then she said .....If I am in your place I will never do it unless I
got the ingredient what the recipe states........
From that time on she never interfered with my baking chore.....

Therefore the moral of the story is to use Lots of COMMON SENSE in
whatever you do in the kitchen.....including baking
Unfortunately that lack of practical thinking is also found among
professional chefs and bakers, and occasionally I got into trouble with
a bakery workmate several years ago for the same reason.....
Heres one story. In a town bakery I was working with 3 other bakers .
There was an order for a batch of hearth baked bread but the baker who
was assigned to the task was adamant...
He will not do his recipe as he does not have any high gluten
flour.....as written( what is really needed for that recipe) in his
already old recipe book.
I ask him,,,,if you don't mind I would like to give a try would you
allow me...He said smugly....Do you think you can do it?......
I will try.....
He replied. a bit offended ....Okay its all yours!....and immediately
went out of the bakery.
What I did was simple....
I added gluten to the lower protein flour in stock (which was about
12% ) ,I included a bit of diastatic malt syrup and the results were
incomparable with the ones I remember was being made with that baker I
mentioned using high gluten flour.
I have kept that mindset that recipe descriptions are not absolute
truths that must not be disobeyed.

If I was just buying the grahams for snacking, it wouldn't have made a whole
lot of difference, and for the cost, if I didn't like them, I could have
thrown them out without much loss. But if I was taking the time to make my
own crust and my own pie, I didn't want some funky off-flavored graham
crackers to ruin it.


IMO
It will come out just fine....if the crust is a bit flavored you can
modify the filling and deviate from the recipe so that there will be
harmony between the crust and the crumb...and you will come up with a
pleasing end product.
Just like in mathematics....there is an infinite permutation.. of
numbers and theway they are arranged and used ...so is in the
cookbook recipes ...you have many ways to manipulate the recipe ..and
that is limited only by your imagination.

That is the motivation of the iron chef....HARMONIOUS CREATIVITY.
Occasionally when I am in that sticky situation that I had to
improvise
I keep this in mind....
...COOKERY IS 99% COMMON SENSE AND 1% RECIPE.
and the outcome is always positive!


Mike Stith 30-12-2005 09:56 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
Yes, non-Honey Maid Nabisco Graham Crackers are still made. I've seen
them in the grocery stores here in South Carolina. They come in a red
box labeled "Nabisco Grahams" with "Original" underneath. Here's a link
to a page with a picture of the box:

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.c....php3?item=115



wrote:
On "America's Test Kitchen" they recommended nabisco original graham
crackers made with molasses for making the best graham cracker pie
crust. They don't seem to have it at Ralph's. All they had was a bunch
of nabisco Honey Maid graham crackers. America's Test Kitchen said
those are pretty good but not as good as the original ones. Do you guys
know if they still sell the original ones? Does it say honey maid on
the box or not? Should I keep looking in other stores or am I out of
luck?


[email protected] 31-12-2005 08:36 AM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
Thanks for the right answer, Mike.
I really needed to see what the box looked like.
I tried googling it but I couldn't find it before.
I'm going to spend about $31 to make the recipe on America's Test
Kitchen for coconut cream pie, so I definitely do not want to settle
for anything less than the best tasting ingredients. I'm going to use
real vanilla and real cream too.


chembake 31-12-2005 10:37 AM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 

I'm going to spend about $31 to make the recipe on America's Test
Kitchen for coconut cream pie, so I definitely do not want to settle
for anything less than the best tasting ingredients. I'm going to use
real vanilla and real cream too



Best testing ingredients?.....
..IMO thats funny...as that is a relative term...grin

I suggest you have to practice that recipe first before you go for the
big day....and
a final word
Keep in mind the ; Murphy's Law


[email protected] 31-12-2005 11:42 AM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
chembake, Mike gave me the right answer, you gave me a bunch of pompous
garbage. If I ever need useless verbal diarrhea from a moron, I'll call
you.


Vox Humana 31-12-2005 02:17 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
chembake, Mike gave me the right answer, you gave me a bunch of pompous
garbage. If I ever need useless verbal diarrhea from a moron, I'll call
you.


Chembake has forgotten more than most people every knew about baking.
Moron? Hardly. And before you start calling someone a moron, you might look
into your own skills. Any 5th grader would have been able to do a Google
search to see what products Nabisco makes.



[email protected] 31-12-2005 03:35 PM

Nabisco original graham crackers?
 
Neither of you dickheads knew anything about the graham crackers and
that the original version tastes much better and therefore is better
for pie crusts. So much for your great knowledge and experience. How
pathetic. Your real hobby is pretending that you are so much greater
than everyone else because you have low self esteem. When you don't
know the answer you should just shut up instead of trying to use
someone's thread as another opportunity to masturbate your flacid egos.
My question was perfectly reasonable and intelligent, and NO I am not
going to simply substitute some crappy crackers and add brown sugar. If
you like that idea, you probably think Dominos makes good pizza.



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