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[email protected] 19-08-2005 01:28 PM

identifying what goes wrong with bread...
 
Hi - do any experts have some guidelines on judging why bread didn't
work out.

I make bread & scones and sometimes they are perfect, sometimes too
brittle, sometimes to chewy/doughy, sometimes too dense.

I'm trying to figure out what went wrong and am looking for guidelines
such as:

if too brittle then you didn't add enough xxx ?
if too dense then you added too much xxx ?
if too doughy then you added too much/little xxx?
etc...

Is it possible to answer these questions or is this too simplistic an
approach ?

Thanks,
Kevin.


Vox Humana 19-08-2005 01:35 PM


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Hi - do any experts have some guidelines on judging why bread didn't
work out.

I make bread & scones and sometimes they are perfect, sometimes too
brittle, sometimes to chewy/doughy, sometimes too dense.

I'm trying to figure out what went wrong and am looking for guidelines
such as:

if too brittle then you didn't add enough xxx ?
if too dense then you added too much xxx ?
if too doughy then you added too much/little xxx?
etc...

Is it possible to answer these questions or is this too simplistic an
approach ?


I think you would get a different set of answers depending on whether you
are dealing with yeast raised bread or scones. Furthermore, both products
are technique sensitive, so it really isn't just a matter of too much of one
ingredient. Also, its not just a matter or too much or too little, but the
quality of flour, that is, how much gluten forming protein it contains.



[email protected] 19-08-2005 03:36 PM

Kevin, you might try going to

http://www.breadworld.com/tipsterms/solutions.asp

for your problems with yeast bread. This site is part of Fleischmnn/s
Yeast site.

Will try to post site for the scones later. BobbiJo


Mike Avery 19-08-2005 06:39 PM

wrote:

Hi - do any experts have some guidelines on judging why bread didn't
work out.

I make bread & scones and sometimes they are perfect, sometimes too
brittle, sometimes to chewy/doughy, sometimes too dense.

I'm trying to figure out what went wrong and am looking for guidelines
such as:

if too brittle then you didn't add enough xxx ?
if too dense then you added too much xxx ?
if too doughy then you added too much/little xxx?
etc...

Is it possible to answer these questions or is this too simplistic an
approach ?



I have a troubleshooting guide on my web site at
http://www.sourdoughhome.com/trouble.html that might help you with
yeasted loaves.

Mike


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[email protected] 19-08-2005 06:42 PM

For problems with your quick breads, go to

http://www.clabbergirl.com/

Click on the Contact Us icon, They probably will be agle to give you
some advice about specific problems.

Hope this helps.


Dave Bell 19-08-2005 08:36 PM

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 wrote:

For problems with your quick breads, go to

http://www.clabbergirl.com/

Click on the Contact Us icon, They probably will be agle to give you
some advice about specific problems.

Hope this helps.


Thanks for this link, too!
There's nothing like a good scone, and once in a while, mine are, well,
nothing like a good scone...


Dave

Roy 20-08-2005 02:20 PM

Hi - do any experts have some guidelines on judging why bread didn't
work out.
I make bread & scones and sometimes they are perfect, sometimes too
brittle, sometimes to chewy/doughy, sometimes too dense.
I'm trying to figure out what went wrong and am looking for guidelines
such as:


Guidelines? That would sound simplistic=E2=80=A6any fault of a bakery
product cannot be attributed to one cause but a can be due to multiple
reasons.

if too brittle then you didn't add enough xxx ?


This can be due to one or more of these causes.
These are two pence worth of opinions
Scones
=EF=82=A7 If the scone is brittle it means that it has less amount of liquid
=EF=82=A7 also an excess of baking powder.
=EF=82=A7 Another the flour is too weak that cohesiveness is not that good
that it has little ability of absorbing more liquid .
=EF=82=A7 . Too little binding agent in the form of milk and even eggs
=EF=82=A7 Insufficient mixing
=EF=82=A7 Baked at lower temperature , resulting that the product dries out
=2E
if too dense then you added too much xxx ?



Among the causes. For scones
=EF=82=A7 can be too much liquid
=EF=82=A7 Little baking powder
=EF=82=A7 More milk solids
=EF=82=A7 Overmixing of the scone dough
=EF=82=A7 Baked at a lower temperature preventing the baking powder to
release gas; scones are supposed to be baked at moderately high heat
=EF=82=A7 Too strong flour
=EF=82=A7 Excess scrap dough added in the fresh dough
=EF=82=A7 The dough was standing for too long before being baked
=E2=80=A6
if too doughy then you added too much/little xxx?

etc..
Now with regards to bread dough (if this is what you mean;) if the too
doughy it can be one or more of these reasons
=EF=82=A7 Underbaked
=EF=82=A7 . Dough is young ,
=EF=82=A7 The dough temperature is cold that its slow proofing
=EF=82=A7 The recipe is not balanced, either too much liquid
=EF=82=A7 Not enough fermentation to release the fermentation aroma
=EF=82=A7 Not enough yeast that the dough is slow moving that when baked the
texture appears compact
=EF=82=A7 Too strong a flour protein without the benefit of adequate
fermentation
=EF=82=A7 Proofed with excess steam resulting that the bread tends to be
partially cooked or the proofer temperature is too high while the dough
is cold due to (force proofing.).

Is it possible to answer these questions or is this too simplistic an

approach ?

It is possible to answer these questions and you can refer to the
guidelines that are provided link by other posters.; but keep it mind
that the answer to that question depends upon the situation you are in;

You have to consider every reason that can arise from such fault. And
bakers will not just follow the cause in textbook fashion but have to
analyse the cause of fault and how did it occur and finally how it can
be prevented .



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