Hello everyone:

We have had a great gustatory Christmas holiday thus far, and we want to
share some of what we have made with you.

We made a terrific stuffed Breast of Lamb, and think it one of the best
meat dishes we have ever made.

1.) Breast of Lamb Stuffed with Hearts of Artichokes:
http://www.theartisan.net/petti_di_a...n_carciofi.htm

2.) More Pizza Toppings - December 2004:
http://www.theartisan.net/pizza_toppings_alforno.htm
These were made in our wood fired oven, but can be made in a home oven.

As usual these recipes can also be accessed through The New Stuff Page
http://www.theartisan.net/NewStuff.htm) or The Food Page
(http://www.theartisan.net/recipesfrm.htm).

Feel free to comment, or to let us know if we have erred in any of these
posts.

Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

Jerry @ The Artisan
http:///www.theartisan.net

Ps - If this is a repost for some, we apologize. A few of our posts
have gotten lost in space for reasons unknown.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:

> Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!


Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what the
holidays are all about.

"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
> "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>
> > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>
>
> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what the
> holidays are all about.

I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell stuff? I
hadn't noticed.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
"Vox Humana" > wrote:

>
> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
> > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
> > "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
> >
> > > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
> >
> >
> > Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
> > the
> > holidays are all about.
>
> I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell stuff?
> I
> hadn't noticed.


I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous site"
postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to hit
someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow doesn't
change how offended i am by them.

"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20041226122534.5b1027ca@wafer...
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>
> >
> > "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> > news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
> > > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
> > > "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
> > > the
> > > holidays are all about.
> >
> > I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
stuff?
> > I
> > hadn't noticed.
>
>
> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous site"
> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to hit
> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow doesn't
> change how offended i am by them.

Most sites aren't fabulous or worth the time it takes to look at them. I
think the Artisan site is exceptional. They have some in-depth information
on things like yeast and flour. There are good recipes, too. I never
really thought about it being a "vanity" site.

Eric Jorgensen wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>
>
>>"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>>news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>>>"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
>>> the
>>>holidays are all about.
>>
>>I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell stuff?
>> I
>>hadn't noticed.
>
>
>
> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous site"
> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to hit
> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow doesn't
> change how offended i am by them.

Eric, you really need to lower your stress level! It's gonna kill you
one day, man...

Dave

Eric

Had you bothered to look at The Artisan you would see that there are no
advertisements, no commercialism at all. Everything is free. We pay
for all costs from our own pockets.

Merry Christmas

Jerry @ The Artisan
http://www.theartisan.net

"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
> "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>
>> Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>
>
> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
> the
> holidays are all about.

Eric

My "knee jerk reaction" is to simply call you a jerk. My second
reaction was to pity you. Why not send a note asking why we post and
have posted for 8 years now, and why do we spend the time and effort ton
the site, and why it has become a boon for both bakers and cooks, and
why people from around the world find it helpful. Vanity? You my
friend need to look in a mirror to see the problem.

Regards

Jerry @ The Artisan


"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20041226122534.5b1027ca@wafer...
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>> news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>> > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>> > "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us
>> > what
>> > the
>> > holidays are all about.
>>
>> I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
>> stuff?
>> I
>> hadn't noticed.
>
>
> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous
> site"
> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to
> hit
> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow
> doesn't
> change how offended i am by them.

To Dave and all:

I was surprised and offended by Mr. Jorgensen's comments, so I have
taken up valuable space hereto respond in kind. To all but Mr.
Jorgensen, I am sorry for my curt responses.

Regards

Jerry @ The Artisan



"Dave Bell" > wrote in message
...
> Eric Jorgensen wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
>> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>>>news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>>>>"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us
>>>> what
>>>> the
>>>>holidays are all about.
>>>
>>>I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
>>>stuff?
>>> I
>>>hadn't noticed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous
>> site"
>> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to
>> hit
>> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow
>> doesn't
>> change how offended i am by them.
>
> Eric, you really need to lower your stress level! It's gonna kill you
> one day, man...
>
> Dave

To Dave and all:

I was surprised and offended by Mr. Jorgensen's comments, so I have
taken up valuable space hereto respond in kind. To all but Mr.
Jorgensen, I am sorry for my curt responses.

Regards

Jerry @ The Artisan



"Dave Bell" > wrote in message
...
> Eric Jorgensen wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
>> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>>>news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>>>>"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us
>>>> what
>>>> the
>>>>holidays are all about.
>>>
>>>I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
>>>stuff?
>>> I
>>>hadn't noticed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous
>> site"
>> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to
>> hit
>> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow
>> doesn't
>> change how offended i am by them.
>
> Eric, you really need to lower your stress level! It's gonna kill you
> one day, man...
>
> Dave

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:14:33 GMT
"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:

> Eric
>
> My "knee jerk reaction" is to simply call you a jerk. My second
> reaction was to pity you. Why not send a note asking why we post and
> have posted for 8 years now, and why do we spend the time and effort ton
> the site, and why it has become a boon for both bakers and cooks, and
> why people from around the world find it helpful. Vanity? You my
> friend need to look in a mirror to see the problem.


I'm not vane, i'm just bitter, and averse to advertising. I'll see your
8 years on usenet and raise you 12.

I was wrong about your site but I'm still generally offended by that
sort of post.

I apologize for accusing you of crass commercialism, but i don't see why
you needed to tell us to visit your fabulous site. I'm sure there are
people who appreciated it, and I'm not one of them.

It's laudable to want to help educate people but this is something i
lost interest in years ago. It's a rare occasion when someone actually
wants to master a new skill or understand a new concept, and when that
happens i try my best to angle them in the right direction and give them
the right set of conceptual tools for the job. Sometimes it pans out,
sometimes it doesn't.

I would have never had a problem with you or your site if you'd found a
way to adhere to standard usenet etiquette. That being, if it were somehow
relevant to a current discussion and addressed an expressed search for
information. It's also perfectly alright to stick something unobtrusively
into your signature.

Your posting would have been appropriate in the form of an opt-in email
distribution or would also be accepted on many web forums that explicitly
sanction this sort of advertisement. Usenet is a very different place from
either of those, and has different accepted rules due to a very different
history and culture.

It's the "hey, look at me" format coupled with the "look at this
great thing i'm offering you" attitude that rubs me the wrong way. I'm
sorry if i've shocked you by being the first person to express this to you.

I'm sorry that I won't be helping you fulfill your need for external
validation. I'll try and ignore you in the future.

Eric Jorgensen > wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>
>> Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>
>
> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what the
>holidays are all about.

Calm down.

How long have you been reading this group? Jerry's been posting this
kind of message on this group for at least 4 years (which is how long
I've been reading it).

It's really too bad that you let a knee jerk reaction deprive you of a
fairly interesting and useful website.

Even worse, you didn't even bother to go *look* at the site, you just
assumed it was a commercial site (and I'm sure you know what happens
when you assume....).

If it had been the same post with a personal website address at a
commercial ISP would you have been offended? It's the same thing,
it's just that domain registrations have gotten so cheap and easy that
lots of people have their own domains.

You really should look before you stick your foot in your mouth.
--
Jenn Ridley :

Eric Jorgensen > wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>"Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>
>> Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>
>
> Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what the
>holidays are all about.

Calm down.

How long have you been reading this group? Jerry's been posting this
kind of message on this group for at least 4 years (which is how long
I've been reading it).

It's really too bad that you let a knee jerk reaction deprive you of a
fairly interesting and useful website.

Even worse, you didn't even bother to go *look* at the site, you just
assumed it was a commercial site (and I'm sure you know what happens
when you assume....).

If it had been the same post with a personal website address at a
commercial ISP would you have been offended? It's the same thing,
it's just that domain registrations have gotten so cheap and easy that
lots of people have their own domains.

You really should look before you stick your foot in your mouth.
--
Jenn Ridley :

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:07:26 -0700, Eric Jorgensen
> wrote:

> Thanks.

Happy Christmas and Merry Holydays to all!

Eric

As we have done for 8 years, we will continue to post new recipes, data
and articles, and I will inform News Groups of same.

News Groups are a bit like Radio or Television. If you do not like
what's on, simply change the station or leave the room.

Regards and have a nice day!

Jerry @ the Artisan
http://www.theartisan.net


"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20041226152615.22c43c72@wafer...
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:14:33 GMT
> "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>
>> Eric
>>
>> My "knee jerk reaction" is to simply call you a jerk. My second
>> reaction was to pity you. Why not send a note asking why we post and
>> have posted for 8 years now, and why do we spend the time and effort
>> ton
>> the site, and why it has become a boon for both bakers and cooks, and
>> why people from around the world find it helpful. Vanity? You my
>> friend need to look in a mirror to see the problem.
>
>
> I'm not vane, i'm just bitter, and averse to advertising. I'll see
> your
> 8 years on usenet and raise you 12.
>
> I was wrong about your site but I'm still generally offended by that
> sort of post.
>
> I apologize for accusing you of crass commercialism, but i don't see
> why
> you needed to tell us to visit your fabulous site. I'm sure there are
> people who appreciated it, and I'm not one of them.
>
> It's laudable to want to help educate people but this is something i
> lost interest in years ago. It's a rare occasion when someone actually
> wants to master a new skill or understand a new concept, and when that
> happens i try my best to angle them in the right direction and give
> them
> the right set of conceptual tools for the job. Sometimes it pans out,
> sometimes it doesn't.
>
> I would have never had a problem with you or your site if you'd
> found a
> way to adhere to standard usenet etiquette. That being, if it were
> somehow
> relevant to a current discussion and addressed an expressed search for
> information. It's also perfectly alright to stick something
> unobtrusively
> into your signature.
>
> Your posting would have been appropriate in the form of an opt-in
> email
> distribution or would also be accepted on many web forums that
> explicitly
> sanction this sort of advertisement. Usenet is a very different place
> from
> either of those, and has different accepted rules due to a very
> different
> history and culture.
>
> It's the "hey, look at me" format coupled with the "look at this
> great thing i'm offering you" attitude that rubs me the wrong way. I'm
> sorry if i've shocked you by being the first person to express this to
> you.
>
> I'm sorry that I won't be helping you fulfill your need for external
> validation. I'll try and ignore you in the future.

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> news:20041226122534.5b1027ca@wafer...
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
>> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>> > news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>> > > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>> > > "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
>> > > the
>> > > holidays are all about.
>> >
>> > I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
> stuff?
>> > I
>> > hadn't noticed.
>>
>>
>> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous site"
>> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to hit
>> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow
>> doesn't
>> change how offended i am by them.
>
> Most sites aren't fabulous or worth the time it takes to look at them. I
> think the Artisan site is exceptional. They have some in-depth
> information
> on things like yeast and flour. There are good recipes, too. I never
> really thought about it being a "vanity" site.
>
Jerry is so kind to take the time to "give" anyone information if they
decide to take a look. I've taken a look a number of times and I like his
site. Jerry, I like your site! So many people have personal sites, hoping
to give a little of themselves, me included; perhaps it is a vanity, but it
is most usually coupled with a feeling of wanting to share with others of
like mind.
Eric, I know from your postings that you like to share and give also. Now,
say you're sorry!
Dee

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> news:20041226122534.5b1027ca@wafer...
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:09:00 GMT
>> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
>> > news:20041226120726.12ea40ec@wafer...
>> > > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:42:12 GMT
>> > > "Jerry DeAngelis" > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks. There's nothing like crass commercialism to remind us what
>> > > the
>> > > holidays are all about.
>> >
>> > I think the Artisan site has some great information. Do they sell
> stuff?
>> > I
>> > hadn't noticed.
>>
>>
>> I guess I just have knee-jerk reactions to "come see my fabulous site"
>> postings. Something about their tone and intent just makes me want to hit
>> someone. Having one set up for vanity rather than commerce somehow
>> doesn't
>> change how offended i am by them.
>
> Most sites aren't fabulous or worth the time it takes to look at them. I
> think the Artisan site is exceptional. They have some in-depth
> information
> on things like yeast and flour. There are good recipes, too. I never
> really thought about it being a "vanity" site.
>
Jerry is so kind to take the time to "give" anyone information if they
decide to take a look. I've taken a look a number of times and I like his
site. Jerry, I like your site! So many people have personal sites, hoping
to give a little of themselves, me included; perhaps it is a vanity, but it
is most usually coupled with a feeling of wanting to share with others of
like mind.
Eric, I know from your postings that you like to share and give also. Now,
say you're sorry!
Dee

Jerry DeAngelis wrote:

> I was surprised and offended by Mr. Jorgensen's comments,
SNIP

Ah Jerry,

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you
with experience. Your site demonstrates a love of life, the objector, a
sour, bitter view of same. Were I at a party guess who I would most like to
talk with?

Raj

Jerry DeAngelis wrote:

> I was surprised and offended by Mr. Jorgensen's comments,
SNIP

Ah Jerry,

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you
with experience. Your site demonstrates a love of life, the objector, a
sour, bitter view of same. Were I at a party guess who I would most like to
talk with?

Raj