Hi all,

I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

Thanks
SPOONS

Here is something from Google that may be of help

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ts&btnG=Search

In article >,
"Spoons" > wrote:

> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

<http://vegweb.com/recipes/subs/egg-sub1.shtml>
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can
someone
> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.
>

I would ask the kid's parents for a recipe. If something goes wrong there
will be hell to pay. I would want to know exactly what the allergy was and
who diagnosed it. I think that a lot of people make assumptions about
allergies. For instance, if the kid ate a bag of nuts, three dozen
doughnuts, and a quart of orange soda and then vomited, they assume that the
kid is allergic to nuts. If the child is indeed allergic to nuts, there is
a great risk of a life threatening reaction. Even a small amount of peanut
butter from your kid's morning toast could be a problem. You kitchen might
not be a safe place in that case. On the other hand, if the allergies are
selfdiagnosed, any random misfortune might be attributed to you like the kid
not being picked as the student of the month.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you be
allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue powder
instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well you
could google for gingerbread+meringue.

I did find a recipe at www.christmas-baking.com/gingerbread.html. The
cookies don't have eggs and it is pretty close to a recipe I usually use.
I'd use similar spices but I'd drop the cardamon and nutmeg and add 1/4 to
1/2 tsp pepper.

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you be
allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue powder
instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well you
could google for gingerbread+meringue.

I did find a recipe at www.christmas-baking.com/gingerbread.html. The
cookies don't have eggs and it is pretty close to a recipe I usually use.
I'd use similar spices but I'd drop the cardamon and nutmeg and add 1/4 to
1/2 tsp pepper.

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you be
allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue powder
instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well you
could google for gingerbread+meringue.

I did find a recipe at www.christmas-baking.com/gingerbread.html. The
cookies don't have eggs and it is pretty close to a recipe I usually use.
I'd use similar spices but I'd drop the cardamon and nutmeg and add 1/4 to
1/2 tsp pepper.

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""."" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis
that
> > have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and
have
> > the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can
someone
> > tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.
>
> I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you be
> allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue powder
> instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well you
> could google for gingerbread+meringue.
>


Meringue powder = dried egg white.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:

>
> ""."" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis
> that
> > > have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and
> have
> > > the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can
> someone
> > > tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.
> >
> > I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you be
> > allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue powder
> > instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well you
> > could google for gingerbread+meringue.
>
> Meringue powder = dried egg white.

But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
to meringue powder.

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""."" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:
>
> >
> > ""."" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2
kis
> > that
> > > > have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie
and
> > have
> > > > the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can
> > someone
> > > > tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.
> > >
> > > I'd search google for something. If you are allergic to eggs would you
be
> > > allergic to meringue powder as well? I know that I'll use meringue
powder
> > > instead of eggs for some recipes. If that works for allergies as well
you
> > > could google for gingerbread+meringue.
> >
> > Meringue powder = dried egg white.
>
> But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
> both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
> to meringue powder.

That's the $64,000 question. Do you want to experiment on someone's kids
after being told they are allergic to eggs? As I mentioned in an earlier
post, this has all the makings of litigation. I would want exact details.
What exactly are they allergic to? Who diagnosed it? What happens when
they eat eggs? Ultimately it wouldn't be worth the bother. I would just
ask the parent to give me a recipe. If it is a serious allergy they have
already solved the problem either by finding an acceptable recipe or
deciding not to eat eggs or nuts. Why reinvent the wheel when doing so may
put someone at risk of a serious reaction and subject yourself to
litigation? When someone tells you their kids are allergic to eggs and then
you feed them eggs, then you are probably willfully negligent. Insurance
companies often refuse to pay claims resulting from willful negligence. You
could lose your home over a cookie.

On 20 Dec 2004 21:52:42 GMT
(".") wrote:


> > Meringue powder = dried egg white.
>
> But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
> both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
> to meringue powder.


Food allergies are frequently protein sensitivities - the primary
example is nut allergy, where studies have repeatedly shown that people
with severe peanut allergies had no reaction to foods cooked with peanut
oil, if they didn't know it was there. Modern seed crushing and oil
extraction methods leave basically no protein present in consumer grade and
commercial grade oils - though i do remember some cloudy bottles of peanut
oil in my youth.

Albumen is pretty much protein and water, and the websites that come up
when you type "egg allergy" into google indicate that most egg
sensitivities are albumen sensitivities, though some are sensitive to the
yolk. Also that kids generally outgrow this sensitivity by the age of 5 or
so.

So, someone allergic to eggs is likely to be allergic to meringue
powder.

With parents these days, over-reacting to everything, it's entirely
possible that the kid is over it and they don't know because they've never
tried it again. But that's your neck to stick out, not mine. I do know a
family with kids that are sensitive to all sorts of things, including corn.
I am well acquainted with their family and believe their allergy issues to
be genuine.

People, and indeed animals, can be sensitive to just about anything.
Generally allergies are related to very large molecules, and nearly always
these are proteins.

I don't know how sensitivity to metals - e.g. nickel - fits into this.

My sister's dog, a black & tan german pinscher, the poor thing, she's
actually allergic to herself, and has skin problems if not bathed
regularly. It's a side-effect of a natural defense against insects, and
many humans are allergic to her sweat and saliva as well. I get a rash if
she slobbers on me and i don't wash up within a few minutes, and I've
never been allergic to any other animal. My brother Andrew gets a rash if
he pets her. And my brother Jens can't be in the same house as her.

In article <20041220153239.261e97bb@wafer>,
Eric Jorgensen > wrote:

> Food allergies are frequently protein sensitivities - the primary
> example is nut allergy, where studies have repeatedly shown that people
> with severe peanut allergies had no reaction to foods cooked with peanut
> oil, if they didn't know it was there. Modern seed crushing and oil
> extraction methods leave basically no protein present in consumer grade and
> commercial grade oils - though i do remember some cloudy bottles of peanut
> oil in my youth.


*Highly refined* hot-pressed peanut oil appears to be safe; cold pressed
oil (often called "gourmet") is not.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Eric Jorgensen wrote:

> On 20 Dec 2004 21:52:42 GMT
> (".") wrote:
>
> > > Meringue powder = dried egg white.
> >
> > But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
> > both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
> > to meringue powder.
>
> Food allergies are frequently protein sensitivities - the primary
> example is nut allergy, where studies have repeatedly shown that people
> with severe peanut allergies had no reaction to foods cooked with peanut
> oil, if they didn't know it was there. Modern seed crushing and oil
> extraction methods leave basically no protein present in consumer grade and
> commercial grade oils - though i do remember some cloudy bottles of peanut
> oil in my youth.
>
> Albumen is pretty much protein and water, and the websites that come up
> when you type "egg allergy" into google indicate that most egg
> sensitivities are albumen sensitivities, though some are sensitive to the
> yolk. Also that kids generally outgrow this sensitivity by the age of 5 or
> so.
>
> So, someone allergic to eggs is likely to be allergic to meringue
> powder.

Interesting. I did a quick check and egg yolks have almost as much protein
as egg whites. So I guess there is a strong chance someone might be
allergic to both.

My wife's family has a lot of allergies. They try things every once in a
while just to see if they are still allergic. My brother-in-law is
anaphallaxic (sp?) to peanuts so he will not try that but he has tried
other things he was allergic to as a kid and found he is not allergic to
many of them now.

> With parents these days, over-reacting to everything, it's entirely
> possible that the kid is over it and they don't know because they've never
> tried it again. But that's your neck to stick out, not mine. I do know a
> family with kids that are sensitive to all sorts of things, including corn.
> I am well acquainted with their family and believe their allergy issues to
> be genuine.

I guess the people in my area are different. Everyone I know who has kids
is willing to test every so often. Mind you, we have free health care so I
can go to an allergist and get tested for free whenever I want.

> People, and indeed animals, can be sensitive to just about anything.
> Generally allergies are related to very large molecules, and nearly always
> these are proteins.
>
> I don't know how sensitivity to metals - e.g. nickel - fits into this.

What about shell fish? Is that a protein thing as well?

> My sister's dog, a black & tan german pinscher, the poor thing, she's
> actually allergic to herself, and has skin problems if not bathed
> regularly. It's a side-effect of a natural defense against insects, and
> many humans are allergic to her sweat and saliva as well. I get a rash if
> she slobbers on me and i don't wash up within a few minutes, and I've
> never been allergic to any other animal. My brother Andrew gets a rash if
> he pets her. And my brother Jens can't be in the same house as her.

That is sad. I wonder if that is what is wrong with my dog. For the last
year or so he is always red and scratching. Maybe I need to bathe him more
often. Then we have the problem of dry skin. 8^(

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:

> ""."" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:
> >
> > > ""."" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Meringue powder = dried egg white.
> >
> > But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
> > both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
> > to meringue powder.
>
> That's the $64,000 question. Do you want to experiment on someone's kids
> after being told they are allergic to eggs? As I mentioned in an earlier
> post, this has all the makings of litigation. I would want exact details.
> What exactly are they allergic to? Who diagnosed it? What happens when
> they eat eggs? Ultimately it wouldn't be worth the bother. I would just
> ask the parent to give me a recipe. If it is a serious allergy they have
> already solved the problem either by finding an acceptable recipe or
> deciding not to eat eggs or nuts. Why reinvent the wheel when doing so may
> put someone at risk of a serious reaction and subject yourself to
> litigation? When someone tells you their kids are allergic to eggs and then
> you feed them eggs, then you are probably willfully negligent. Insurance
> companies often refuse to pay claims resulting from willful negligence. You
> could lose your home over a cookie.

I'm not suggesting anyone experiment with some kid. Talking to the kid's
parents is a sensible choice but I wouldn't do it because I fear
litigation. Maybe the parents are willing to see if the kid is still
allergic to eggs. If it is not a severe allergy it might be worth trying.
They can just keep some Reactine or Aerius around to relieve the itching.

If it was a friend's kid I would be willing to put forth the effort. Then
again, I have never known anyone to sue anyone over something like this.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:

> ""."" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:
> >
> > > ""."" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Meringue powder = dried egg white.
> >
> > But are people allergic to eggs allergic to the egg whites, the yolks or
> > both? Obviously, if you are allergic to the egg whites you are allergic
> > to meringue powder.
>
> That's the $64,000 question. Do you want to experiment on someone's kids
> after being told they are allergic to eggs? As I mentioned in an earlier
> post, this has all the makings of litigation. I would want exact details.
> What exactly are they allergic to? Who diagnosed it? What happens when
> they eat eggs? Ultimately it wouldn't be worth the bother. I would just
> ask the parent to give me a recipe. If it is a serious allergy they have
> already solved the problem either by finding an acceptable recipe or
> deciding not to eat eggs or nuts. Why reinvent the wheel when doing so may
> put someone at risk of a serious reaction and subject yourself to
> litigation? When someone tells you their kids are allergic to eggs and then
> you feed them eggs, then you are probably willfully negligent. Insurance
> companies often refuse to pay claims resulting from willful negligence. You
> could lose your home over a cookie.

I'm not suggesting anyone experiment with some kid. Talking to the kid's
parents is a sensible choice but I wouldn't do it because I fear
litigation. Maybe the parents are willing to see if the kid is still
allergic to eggs. If it is not a severe allergy it might be worth trying.
They can just keep some Reactine or Aerius around to relieve the itching.

If it was a friend's kid I would be willing to put forth the effort. Then
again, I have never known anyone to sue anyone over something like this.

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""."" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Vox Humana wrote:
>
> I'm not suggesting anyone experiment with some kid. Talking to the kid's
> parents is a sensible choice but I wouldn't do it because I fear
> litigation. Maybe the parents are willing to see if the kid is still
> allergic to eggs. If it is not a severe allergy it might be worth trying.
> They can just keep some Reactine or Aerius around to relieve the itching.
>
> If it was a friend's kid I would be willing to put forth the effort. Then
> again, I have never known anyone to sue anyone over something like this.

I have years of experience with this subject in the medical field. People
often say they are allergic to things when they aren't. When you start
asking questions you find that they have no idea why they think they have an
allergy or the consequences of eating something or taking a particular drug
are not consistent with an allergic reaction. There are a variety of
reasons why this happens. Unfortunately you never know for sure so you have
to play it safe. This is doubly true with kids because you can't get
reliable information from them in an interview. I think some parents say
that the kids have allergies because it makes them "special"

One problem with the "try and see" method that you suggest is that if they
are truly allergic to something, the next reaction could be anaphylaxis.
You may have a mild to moderate reaction with the first couple of exposures
and then have a massive, life-threatening reaction.

There are egg substitutes that you can use instead of eggs. They can
often be found in the Kosher section of a supermarket's dairy area,
and come in cartons. No egg at all... totally vegetable. I know SOME
people who use it in baking...

Also, if the allergy is to the yoke, you can buy egg white and use it
instead. That is a common allergy, but you need to check with the
allergist to be certain.

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...e/id-1081.html has the
following as egg substitutes [I've removed the ones that add their own
flavour].

* 1/4 cup of any kind of tofu blended with the liquid ingredients
in the recipe. Light or reduced-fat tofu cuts down on the fat and
calories in the finished product.

* 1-1/2 teaspoons of a commercial vegetarian egg substitute, such
as Ener-G Egg Replacer, mixed with 2 tablespoons of water. This
product is a combination of vegetable starches and works wonderfully
in virtually any recipe that calls for eggs. Natural foods stores sell
it in 1-pound boxes.

[http://www.veganessentials.com/catal...g-replacer.htm covers
that egg replacer, which you likely can make yourself as the
ingredient list is provided.]

* A heaping tablespoon of soy flour or bean flour mixed with a
tablespoon of water. This mixture works similarly to vegetarian egg
replacer.

* 2 tablespoons of cornstarch beaten with 2 tablespoons of water.
This, too, works much like vegetarian egg replacer.

* 1 tablespoon of finely ground flaxseeds whipped with 1/4 cup of
water. The flaxseeds gel and bind with the other ingredients.

>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Spoons wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm having a kids cookie decorating party next week and there's 2 kis that
>> have allergies to nuts & eggs. I wanted to do gingerbread cookie and have
>> the kids decorate them but I can't find any eggfree recipes. Or can someone
>> tell me a good cut out cookie recipe that's has not eggs.

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don't know whether you found a receipe or not but you could try the
gingerbread receipe at www.deliaonline.com Just search for
gingerbread. It is an English receipe so you may find it difficult to
get ingredients. I have a friend with an egg allergy so I know how
difficult it is to find receipes without eggs in.

Sarah

don't know whether you found a receipe or not but you could try the
gingerbread receipe at www.deliaonline.com Just search for
gingerbread. It is an English receipe so you may find it difficult to
get ingredients. I have a friend with an egg allergy so I know how
difficult it is to find receipes without eggs in.

Sarah