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Old 16-11-2003, 08:51 PM
Fay Wouk
 
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I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay

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Old 16-11-2003, 10:17 PM
H. W. Hans Kuntze
 
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Fay Wouk wrote:

I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for=20
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they =


don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)=20
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone=20
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?


The flour in a scone recipe is mostly inconsequential.
It is the mixing method, 99%.

Provided you are talking about the same scones as I, like our biscuits,=20
just sweet, triangle shape, like they are served in the tea houses in=20
Victoria B.C..

A little gluten in the flour there is definitely desireable, because the =

dough is made up like a rubbed piedough, just much wetter.
The gluten will help make the layers, with the butter and method.

BTW, there has to be an All Purpose flour, even down under, they do cook =

with a flour, make soups, sauces, etc., don't they?
Or is it mint jelly with the lamb all the way?

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Old 16-11-2003, 10:33 PM
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Don't they have "flour" in the stores? What do you get when you walk into a
supermarket and ask for 5 pounds or 2 kilos of flour?

Barry

"Fay Wouk" wrote in message
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I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay



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Old 17-11-2003, 03:53 AM
Roy Basan
 
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Fay Wouk wrote in message ...
I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay


You can buy plain flour as that is available in both New Zealand and
Australia.
If not just tell the strorekeeper you want ordinary flour.
I am not worried about the bread flour of those areas as they are
lower in protein quality than the north american flours.
Look ,bakers in those areas usually add gluten if they made bread with
their bakers flour meaning that their flour quality is medium gluten
type in the same range as all purpoe flour.

Flour in those areas are of thiese types,
BAkers Flour 11% protein, Seldom reach 12% in most areas.
Biscuit flour and pastry flour 9-9.5% protein
High ratio cake flour 8-9% protein
wholemeal flour 12-13% protein
wheat meal flour or 90% whole meal and 10% bakers flour;this latter
flour is a finer granulation than the normal wholemeal.
Roy
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Old 17-11-2003, 09:24 AM
Fay Wouk
 
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In article ,
"barry" wrote:

Don't they have "flour" in the stores? What do you get when you walk into a
supermarket and ask for 5 pounds or 2 kilos of flour?


There is high-grade, which is for bread, and standard, which I was told
by a local is for cake. As far as I know, those are the choices.

Fay


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Old 17-11-2003, 09:27 AM
Fay Wouk
 
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In article ,
"H. W. Hans Kuntze" wrote:

Fay Wouk wrote:

I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?


The flour in a scone recipe is mostly inconsequential.
It is the mixing method, 99%.

Provided you are talking about the same scones as I, like our biscuits,
just sweet, triangle shape, like they are served in the tea houses in
Victoria B.C..

Yes, that is what I'm talking about.

A little gluten in the flour there is definitely desireable, because the
dough is made up like a rubbed piedough, just much wetter.
The gluten will help make the layers, with the butter and method.


Well, I'm perfectly happy to mix my two types of flour, so as to have
some gluten, but I'd like to know what proportions to use.


BTW, there has to be an All Purpose flour, even down under, they do cook
with a flour, make soups, sauces, etc., don't they?
Or is it mint jelly with the lamb all the way?


Well, there's nothing called all purpose, and I was told one was for
bread and the other for cake. I don't know which one most people use for
making gravy. I use the standard (cake) flour, myself.
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Old 17-11-2003, 03:38 PM
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Fay Wouk wrote in message ...
I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay


I've checked several substitution lists, and none of them suggest
adding bread flour to your cake flour.
Instead, they suggest for every cup of all-purpose flour, use 1 cup,
plus two tbls. of cake flour. Hope this works for you.
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Old 17-11-2003, 03:53 PM
Vox Humana
 
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"tmnoland" wrote in message
om...
Fay Wouk wrote in message

...
I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay


I've checked several substitution lists, and none of them suggest
adding bread flour to your cake flour.
Instead, they suggest for every cup of all-purpose flour, use 1 cup,
plus two tbls. of cake flour. Hope this works for you.


That should work in terms of equivalent weight. That is, the weight of 1
cup +2 TBS. cake flour = 1 cup of AP flour. It doesn't approximate the
protein content of the AP flour. There are other qualitative differences
such as particle size and pH.


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Old 17-11-2003, 04:02 PM
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" Fay Wouk wrote in message
...
I want to use one of my favorite scone recipes, which calls for
all-purpose flour, but I am currently living in New Zealand, where they
don't have any such thing - only cake flour and high grade (bread)
flour. I understand all purpose flour is a mix of the two. Does anyone
know what the correct proportions would be? Should I use half and half?

thanks,
Fay


What you are calling "cake flour" may in fact be what is often called "plain
flour" in the UK, Australia and New Zealand. There used to be 3 flours
available to the average housewife in those countries: plain, self-raising
and bread. The plain would be the equivalent of North American All-Purpose.
Anyway, what have you got to lose by trying the "cake" flour? Just a
dollar's worth of flour and an hour in the kitchen.
Graham


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Old 23-11-2003, 05:30 PM
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For an "emergency" substitute for pastry flour, I was told in school to
substitute all purpose flour. Or, not having that, equal parts by weight of
bread flour and cake flour. I have done this, with good results.
As for gravies (and roux as well), you want the starch as your thickening
agent, so use cake (low protien) flour.




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