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ANIMAL RIGHTS BILL 1 - Tom Regan speaks.
On Aug 7, 12:45 pm, Dutch > wrote:
> pearl wrote:
> > "pearl" > wrote in message news:...
> >> "Dutch" > wrote in messagenews:f2qti.32785$rX4.9684@pd7urf2no...
> >>> pearl wrote:
> >>>> "Dutch" > wrote
> >>>>> Watch the second video, the only con speaker he refers to specifically
> >>>>> is Germaine Greer, the rest he dismisses without comment in his rude,
> >>>>> condescending manner like a doddering schoolmaster.
> >> Projection. Dr. Regan is a great speaker. Here's the link for others:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1Ad...elated&search=
>
> >>>> What "valid points"
> >>> Watch the second video dimwit.
> >> I just watched it again. '... the work of ethologists, and so on...
> >> "we know _nothing_ about what is beneficial to other animals"?
> >> "We know *nothing* , -scientifically- about what is harmful or
> >> detrimental to other animals"?' Where /are/ you living, ditch?
>
> > Why do you believe that '"we should -not- mandate that
> > what is in their interest be protected as a matter of right."'?
>
> Because it's completely absurd, we have no such capability, except in
> some completely ad hoc token manner.
Why shouldn't we do everything we reasonably can?
> Give your head an examination. If
> we protected the interests of animals as a matter of right our species
> would not last one more generation. Is that what you're going after? At
> least then your ideas might make *some* sense.
>
> > It can only be because you consider your interests to be of
> > more value to you than the interests of others are to - you.
>
> Of course I do. When I go to the store I buy food for *myself*, my
> family, guests, not others. When I go to the movies I buy a ticket for
> myself and my wife, when I go to the doctor we talk about *my* health.
> The interests of the others are *their* business, not mine.
>
> > Your interests being as follows: eating "meat and gravy"
>
> Tonight I ate broccoli, potato salad, artichoke, and a free range
> organic chicken breast. No gravy, I never eat gravy.
>
> > and
> > financial profits of the animal exploitation industry.
>
> I assume that all of the people involved in producing the
> above-mentioned food made a "financial profit", I certainly hope so,
> since that's what makes our economy function.
>
> > Can you
>
> > derive equal satisfaction and nutritional needs from a vegan
> > diet?
>
> No.
>
> Yes, and more,
>
> No, been there, failed to thrive, not an option any more, not for me or
> my wife.
>
> > and anyway there is *no* comparing
> > a transient sensory pleasure to the life and killing of another.
>
> Food is not a mere sensory pleasure, but enjoying one's food is an
> essential part of nutrition.
>
> > Their loss is far greater if you take a rare moment to actually
> > consider what it is you are demanding attached to that pound
> > of flesh.
>
> Animals gain and lose constantly by human agriculture, I couldn't change
> that if I wanted to. I don't believe that the meat I eat causes
> substantially more harm than anything else I consume, and even if
> somewhat so, that's not a reason to make the sacrifice you seem to think
> is necessary.
>
> As for financial benefit.. there's plenty to go around.
>
> > Get a better job, like in veganic horticulture, or as mr. balloon..
>
> Your arguments are a failure and your bitterness is not doing you or
> anyone else any good.- Hide quoted text -
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