"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:36:05 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:51:58 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>>>"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:45:57 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>>>>>"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote
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>>>>>>>>There are good arguments for eating less meat and only eating less
>>>>>>>>intensively raised meat but there are not good practical health,
>>>>>>>>economic or environmental reasons to stop eating all meat all
>>>>>>>>together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We simply do not NEED to eat meat. That's a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is a misleading statement disguised as a fact. There are no
>>>>>>needs,
>>>>>>only
>>>>>>wants.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a fact, we don't need meat.
>>>>
>>>>We don't need anything per se,
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>>> Yes we do.
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>>No, we don't.
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> Oh yes we do.......

No, we don't.
>
>>> We need food to survive,
>>
>>We don't need to survive, we WANT to survive.
>
> We need to survive. You're an idiot.

We don't need to survive, our survival is utterly unimportant in the scheme
of things, it is a personal desire. In fact if you really wanted to help the
planet you would kill yourself now.

>> Need is a weasel word used by
>>people attempting to impose an agenda on others.
>
> Caring is not an agenda.

Caring is a character flaw when you twist it to attack others with empty
rhetoric.

>>> that food doesn't NEED to be meat.
>>
>>It doesn't NEED to be anything in particular, meat just happens to be a
>>food
>>category you dislike.
>
> Eating meat means destroying animals and the planet wilfully,
> forcefully taking the life of another sentient being. We don't need to
> do that.

Yes we do, all agriculture involves willfully destroying animals and
damaging the soil (earth). I grow wheat, an activity that places tremendous
strain on the earth and causes untold animal death. I hope you enjoy the
bread I produce, something incidentally, that you don't NEED.

>>> You can live on a wholly veggie diet, you cannot live on meat alone.
>>
>>That's irrelevant, and false.
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> You're an idiot.

Yet you're the one resorting to cheap insults.

>>>> the word need is strictly conditional.
>>>
>>> Keep wriggling.
>>
>>You are misappropriating your personal DESIRE to have us all live a
>>particular way into a meaningless statement about "need". We don't NEED
>>to
>>do thousands of things we do, that does not mean we shouldn't do them.
>
> You want to self harm, fine, go jump in a lake. Don't drag us down
> with you.

That's a non-sequitur, your statements about "need" have been revealed as
empty rhetoric. Deal with that.

>>>>>>>>The only reason to give up meat all together is to feel smug and
>>>>>>>>superior, a feeling that can only be maintained if "the great fight"
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>never actually won. That is why vegetarians come up with such lame
>>>>>>>>ideas
>>>>>>>>trying to persuade other people to make the same decision they did
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>for different reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What an idiotic idea. Since when has looking after ourselves, and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> planet been some warped ego trip?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Man has always gone on warped ego trips, it's his nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange world you live in then, when caring is an ego trip!
>>>>
>>>>Vegans bend caring into a character flaw.
>>>
>>> We still know caring is good. You're the warped kind who think its a
>>> crime! Guilt does funny things to people I guess.
>>
>>You're projecting. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they bang on people's
>>doors and pester them about The Truth because they "care". The *real*
>>"truth" is that like you they need to pester people to convince themselves
>>that they care, and they need to convert others in order to keep
>>convincing
>>themselves that they're not misguided. Nobody thinks caring is bad,
>>deciding
>>that you have a unique insight on THE TRUTH is arrogant and boring.
>
> You're an idiot.

Another pearl of wisdom from the purveyor of TRUTH.

> If your weird needs inflict harm on the rest of the worlds
> inhabitants, it's our business.

Fulfilling my desires causes harm, as does fulfilling yours. Stop making it
into a shabby game.

>>>>>>> Really weird thoughts you're having.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They only sound weird to you because you're on a warped ego trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> You cant seem to get round your head, some things in life are free.
>>>>
>>>>You can't seem to get it through your head, everything free is not good.
>>>
>>> The best things in life are. Try enjoying it for a change.
>>
>>Some of the worst things in life are free, like warped ego trips.
>
> True

So do yourself a favour and stop it.