Hannah wrote:
> Go eat a chicken! And while you're at it, try to do some thorough
> research on what kind of life that chicken had.


I care what kind of life that chicken had. Which is why I buy my
chickens whole from a local farmer who lets them run free and eat their
natural foods and give them access to clean water, etc. I don't want to
eat a half starved, egg-laying machine that was kept is filthy cages
fed pelletized foods and drinking filthy water. I want may chickens to
come from a good farm. It makes them so much tastier and more tender.

>
> Vegans don't consider themselves to be saints -- we don't pretend that

Actually, you all seem to have an absence of doubt with regards to your
views, and you do not hesitate to pontificate about your
holier-than-thou godliness in all things nutritional. When you call
meat eaters murderers and such you are placing yourselves and your
attitudes above us. That is as close as considering yourselves as
saints as I've ever seen.


> we aren't living and participating in a society where animals are bred

Because you are saints.....

> to be killed. We simply don't want to participate in the torturous
> conditions that animals are forced to endure for someone to buy a cute
> pair of shoes or eat some cheddar cheese.

How saintly of you.

I have no pretense of being something I am not. I am a carnivore, and I
enjoy it immensely.

TC


>
> On Oct 27, 10:10 am, dh@. wrote:
> > On 20 Oct 2006 18:37:57 GMT, > wrote:
> >
> > >I forget to say,
> > >YES PLANTS DO HAVE RIGHTS!
> > >We must take care of our whole planet, even PLANTS!
> > >Respect for any kind of life forms!· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
> > wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
> > buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
> > What they try to avoid are products which provide life
> > (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
> > to avoid the following in order to be successful:
> >
> > Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
> > Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
> > Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
> > Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
> > Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
> > Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
> > Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings
> >
> > The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
> > slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
> > as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
> > their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
> > animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
> > ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
> > future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
> > livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
> > consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
> > being vegan.
> > From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
> > steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
> > get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
> > over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
> > get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
> > machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
> > draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
> > likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
> > derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
> > contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
> > better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·