On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:04:26 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:

><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 16:23:11 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>>
>> ><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>> >> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:37:52 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:54:22 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>> >> ><..>
>> >> >> >A few might hop in from the field margins.. same as they can hop out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LOL. I mean: Why would they be in "the field margins", and how
>> >> >> would they get there?
>> >> >
>> >> >Why wouldn't they? They like humid areas with still shallow pools.
>> >> >Margins left untouched would provide permanent habitat for frogs.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> yes, but diderot led me to believe that most of them were
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> tree frogs who could survive in the stalks until the harverster came
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> along.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Where did all these frogs come from, after supposedly being
>> >> >> >> >> >> >slaughtered year in, year out?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> diderot was nice enough to exchange some emails with me,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I bet! - you're a ready sucker,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> LOL! That coming from someone who believes there are
>> >> >> >> >> superior beings living in the center of the Earth is pretty
>> >> >> >> >> damn funny.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I've plenty of reason to believe that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Like what?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've posted a link to a well-researched site before, just for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't believe you, but would like to see you try.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm not giving it to you again.
>> >>
>> >> You lied to begin with, and are now desperately though pathetically
>> >> trying to support your lying.
>> >
>> >Unlike you, I don't lie.
>>
>> There are no decent sites about the Inner Earth fantasy.
>
>Really? What research have you done on the subject?

I've asked you who consider yourself knowledgeable about the
subject, and you can't provide any so I take that to mean there
are none even though you lie about it. Actions speak louder than
words as they say, and that's especially true in your case. The
fact that you CAN NOT perform the simple act of supplying links
to decent sites, "speaks" much more clearly and honestly than
your apparently dishonest claim of being able to do so. Duh.

>If your search "grass fed cow milk Inner Earth Beings kill" is
>any indication, you really need to work on your search strings.
>
>> >> >> >> >You dis-believe without reason.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I have good reason. If it were true, I have good reason to believe
>> >> >> >> people in general would have learned about it because research
>> >> >> >> teams would have found the entrances, gone in, studied it, made
>> >> >> >> videos, and made money by presenting what they learned to the
>> >> >> >> public like they do with other things of interest.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >That has happened.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're the only person I've ever known of to think so. Do you
>> >> >> always believe that btw, or do you sometimes think they don't
>> >> >> exist like you sometimes think there are no frogs in rice fields?
>> >> >
>> >> >You mean, like you believe in a biblical plague of frogs in rice fields.
>> >>
>> >> That's because of a number of people who have reported them,
>> >
>> >In Texas? Show us.
>
>Helloooooo....

We've seen that there are plenty of frogs in rice fields, and so have
no reason to believe they aren't in rice fields in Texas. We have a first
hand report of them from a Texas rice farmer, and absolutely NO reason
not to believe him. It's about time for YOU to do something other than
just deny it. We have NO reason to believe YOU, so now it's time for
YOU to try to provide one. Explain why you want us to believe there
are frogs in rice fields, but not in Texas. Go:

>> >> plus having seen many frogs in different environments similar to
>> >> rice fields.
>> >
>> >Areas that are allowed to dry, and harvested twice a year?
>>
>> Which harvest would have less frogs? Explain the difference
>> between the two.
>
>The one allowed to dry. One supports frogs, the other doesn't.
>
>> >> The only thing I've seen trying to oppose the occurrence
>> >> is you who have no clue wtf you're trying to talk about, and one or
>> >> two other "aras".
>> >
>> >Let's see your documentation of hundreds of thousands in Texas rice fields.
>>
>> 10,000 killed on a road in Florida one night certainly suggests
>> it's more than likely. In opposition to it, all we have is an "ara" from
>> a completely different country and environment, who can't imagine
>> how it could be true.
>
>Frogs migrate - a fact that seems to have escaped you in the past.
>
>Roads have lots of cars speeding along them.. Give it up, david.

Not yet. Now I'm curious why you think these frogs you claim don't
exist are killed by cars, but not by harvesters and predators after harvest.
Explain:

>> >> >There are many written accounts by explorers, researchers and others.
>> >>
>> >> No there are not.
>> >
>> >Yes, there are.
>>
>> They most likely never even left the opium den.
>
>diderot probably had his vision of "green waterfalls" in texan rice fields there.
>
>> >> >No video that I'm aware of, sorry, but I did link to an unusual photo.
>> >>
>> >> Nope.
>> >
>> >More than once.
>>
>> LOL! I mean: Do it "again"...lol...but there is no such thing, so
>> you can't.
>
>I could,

Apparently not...

>but I choose not to.

....LOL, and your lying about it doesn't fool anyone, or even make you
look any better.

>> >> . . .
>> >> >> You emphatically stated that you "don't think that 'they' are there!"
>> >> >> Now you're amusingly trying to pretend differently.
>> >> >
>> >> >'they', as in the hundreds of thousands alleged - "the green waterfall".
>> >> >
>> >> >> >Not the hundreds of thousands you claim.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How many? How could you possibly have any clue? Present some
>> >> >> info from a reliable source to back up your absurd sounding claim.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have backed up logical common sense
>> >>
>> >> Maybe, but not about this topic.
>> >
>> >About this topic.
>> >
>> >> >with an email from a bona fide
>> >> >organic rice-farmer. -You- have yet to support your fantastical claim.
>> >>
>> >> The email you presented turned out to back up diderot's claim.
>> >
>> >Quote?
>
>Straight away I can see that this is not from Lundberg's email.
>> __________________________________________________ _______
>> A collection of articles by scientists who are experts in
>> their field, AMPHIBIANS AND REPTILES: STATUS AND CONSERVATION
>> IN FLORIDA speaks openly of "persecution" and "extirpation,"
>> of some reptiles, particularly Box Turtles, Gopher Tortoises
>> and Common Kingsnakes. Scientific abbreviations like "DOR"
>> stand for "Dead on Road," and mean the myriad squashings of
>> frogs, lizards, turtles and snakes beneath our chariot wheels.
>> Some roads, like U.S. 441 across Payne's Prairie in Alachua
>> County, and the Tamiami Trail that runs across Florida from
>> Miami to Tampa, are virtual abattoirs, greased with the gory
>> little bodies of "anurans," as frogs and toads are called
>> scientifically. "On Aug. 5, 1991 I stopped counting after
>> 10,000," biologist Jim Weimer said in a 1996 interview,
>> describing a single night on U.S. 441 across Payne's Prairie.
>> "This was just one night. On May 2, 1991, there were over
>> 5,000 Southern Leopard Frogs killed."
>>
>> http://www.cnah.org/news.asp
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
>No mention of rice fields there. Why aren't there?

Because it's not about rice fields, but it is about frogs getting
killed on a highway. Are you now going to claim Lunberg and
the authors of the above are lying about frogs getting killed on
highways too?

>.......
>
>Your turn.

diderot did explain that chemicals kill frogs, and that that is a significant
aspect of the issue:

"- conventional agriculture results in many more, but more 'invisible'
deaths. our conventional plot is across the road from our organic plot,
it started out with the same millions and billions of amphibian eggs.
only a few thousand frogs are harvested on the conventional side - they
were all killed off as eggs or tadpoles by agricultural chemicals.

- we manage the whole area (larger than just the farms) is a pretty
natural fashion and we have a lot of wildlife. the number of deaths is,
at least, partially a function of total area population. we could
reduce the number of visible deaths by flogging the ecology, but we
prefer life and cycle-of-life over a sterile monoculture."

and it's easy enough to find evidence of that. Unless pesticides
somehow don't kill frogs in rice fields, the following gives us reason
to believe that they do:

Results 1 - 10 of about 301,000 for pesticides frogs kill.

Corn Pesticides in Combination Kill Frogs & Threaten Public Health
Organic Consumers Association is a consumer advocate for labeling of genetically engineered food. We
promote organic food and sustainable agriculture.
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Mixtures of pesticides kill tadpoles.
This paper demonstrates that environmentally-relevant exposures to mixtures of pesticides undermine
the immune system of developing leopard frogs, ...
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