<dh@.> wrote in message ...
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:02:46 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>
> ><dh@.> wrote in message ...
> >> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:13:25 +0100, brother > wrote:
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> __________________________________________________ __________
> >> >> From: diderot >
> >> >> Subject: collateral included deaths in organic rice production [faq]
> >> >> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:21:44 EDT
> >> >> Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,rec.food.veg
> >> >> Message-ID: >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >This is seven year old uncorroborated hearsay
> >>
> >> It's first hand observation from a rice farmer.
> >
> >"There is an "article" circulating on the Internet that describes how
> >thousands of frogs and other animals are killed in the mechanized
> >harvesting of grain crops. This "collateral animal deaths" story is an
> >elaborate hoax. The author, a "Texas organic rice farmer" is a gifted
> >writer, but he should use his talents elsewhere.
> >
> >The author's numbers describe a plague of frogs of biblical
> >proportions. However, it is questionable if he has even been on a rice
> >farm. The major point that our author has missed is that rice fields
> >are harvested dry. The irrigation water is drained, and the ground is
> >left to dry before the harvesters go out in the field (otherwise, they'd
> >sink in the mud). There just aren't that many amphibians in the field.
>
> Those who can't survive the dried environment would already
> be dead,

Why would any amphibians that might be in the fields stick around
as the fields dry, and not go with or follow the water when drained?

> yes, but diderot led me to believe that most of them were
> tree frogs who could survive in the stalks until the harverster came
> along.

Where did all these frogs come from, after supposedly being
slaughtered year in, year out?

> If diderot exagerated, it was to make people aware of the
> deaths caused by rice production.

diderot told wholesale porkies in order to try to blur the line
between deaths in crop production and in the livestock industry.

> There's no doubt that your
> source--and especially YOU yourself--are trying to create the false
> impression that thousands of animals are not being killed when
> they really are. "ara" dishonesty is undoubtedly the more disgusting
> and contemptible, inconsiderate and selfish...diderot encourages
> people to consider human influence on animals involved in rice
> production, while YOU encourage people NOT TO!

WHY should anyone take his 'estimate' over that of a rice farmer?

There's no doubt that your source--and especially YOU yourself--
are trying to create the false impression that thousands of animals
are being killed when they really aren't. Your anti AR dishonesty is
undoubtedly disgusting and contemptible, inconsiderate and selfish.