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Default "collateral included deaths in organic rice production [faq]"


dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:35:02 +0100, brother > wrote:
>
> >dh@. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:13:25 +0100, brother > wrote:
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> __________________________________________________ __________
> >>>> From: diderot >
> >>>> Subject: collateral included deaths in organic rice production [faq]
> >>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:21:44 EDT
> >>>> Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,rec.food.veg
> >>>> Message-ID: >
> >>>>
> >>> This is seven year old uncorroborated hearsay
> >>
> >> It's first hand observation from a rice farmer.

> >
> >It's the intellectual equivalent of using the evidence from somebody you
> >met at a bar.
> >
> >He says he's driven a tractor, thousands of miles. - I can believe that!
> >
> >Then he says "We have organic as well as conventional farms". Ask
> >yourself; 'Who is he referring to when he says "we"?'For all I know he
> >could be referring to the population of Texas.

>
> "the facts, data, assumptions and conclusions, while developed
> on two organic rice farms (900 and 160 acres) and one 'conventional'
> rice farm of 1340 acres in colorado county, texas" - diderot
>
> If you think the "population of Texas" only has two organic rice
> farms and one conventional rice farm in the whole state, you're
> incredibly "naive" to say the very least, but for your sake (though
> none of the readers' sake) let's hope you're being deliberately
> dishonest about that stupid suggestion.
>
> >Do you REALLY think that there are more than 5 amphibians in every
> >square FOOT of rice?

>
> Paste the quote. I believe he was referring to eggs, tadpoles,
> and adults. There may be thousands of eggs in one square foot,
> and a hundred tadpoles in another...averaging out to 5 or more in
> the big picture.
>


It's a pretty big assumption that ethical vegetarians have an ethical
problem with destroying an egg. If he was using that assumption in his
calculations, he should have made it explicit.

> >It's a joke that you and other fools have fallen for.

>
> He sells organic rice to vegans. Why would he present info like
> that to vegans, if he wasn't confident that they would be too stupid
> to appreciate the reality of it even if he did? Obviously he was well
> aware that they are, almost certainly from his own personal experience
> with them. And now from our own personal experience with them in
> these ngs we can see that too. Duh.
>
> >There are animal deaths in rice production, but there is no mystical
> >"green waterfall".

>
> How many deaths do you think there are, and WHY should anyone
> take your estimate over that of a rice farmer???