dh "facts" are identical to lies ala Rush Limbaugh and many other
sub-humanoid cowards.

David 'Horrible' Harrison can have the last word--Moshki is not gonna
talk with this thing again.


dh@. wrote:
> On 21 Aug 2006 20:23:43 -0700, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" > wrote:
>
> >dh pointed out:
> >
> >> You're apparently too stupid to understand what he explained.
> >>
> >> >Like a typical psuedo-progressive, he will not examine the
> >> >environmental impact of _his_ pet consumptions.
> >>
> >> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
> >> wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
> >> buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
> >> What they try to avoid are products which provide life
> >> (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
> >> to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
> >> in order to be successful:
> >>
> >> Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
> >> Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
> >> Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
> >> Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
> >> Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
> >> Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
> >> Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings
> >>
> >> The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
> >> slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
> >> as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
> >> their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
> >> animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
> >> ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
> >> future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
> >> livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
> >> consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
> >> being vegan.
> >> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
> >> steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
> >> get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
> >> over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
> >> get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
> >> machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
> >> draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
> >> likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
> >> derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
> >> contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
> >> better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·
> >
> >OK, Moshki gets it now.
>
> Probably not.
>
> >You are as sick and demented as Leefy says you are.
>
> I point out facts and aspects of human influence on animals
> that you "aras" hate. That being the case, I'm in a position to
> feel that those of you who hate the facts I point out are sick
> and demented....and I do.
>
> >Why he wastes time talking to you is a mystery;
>
> Goo opposes me for the same reason any "ara" does:
> Because I point out things which suggest that decent lives
> and humane deaths for livestock--ie decent AW--could be
> ethically equivalent or superior to their elimination--ie "ar".
>
> >he's no ARA
>
> We have plenty of examples of Goo trying to promote
> acceptance of "ar", but few examples of him trying to
> oppose it. Can you provide any? No, you can't. Neither
> can Goo.
>
> >but he's not as wacky as you, not even close.
>
> Of course you feel that way since Goo promotes what
> you want to see promoted, but that only suggests that
> you're wacky in a way similar to Goo.