Derek wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2006 14:56:16 -0700, " > wrote:
> >Derek wrote:
> >> On 17 Aug 2006 13:28:27 -0700, " > wrote:
> >>
> >> >The process of artificial insemination, including the harvesting
> >> >of male ejaculate, is not gratifiying for the female and is
> >> >gratifying for the male.
> >>
> >> Then, according to your view where gratifying animals
> >> sexually is permissible, you have no objection to the
> >> harvesting of animal semen.
> >
> >I object on the grounds of animal commodification.
>
> No, you don't object at all.

I believe my objection is crystal clear. If Karen sold cockatiel
ejaculate to bird breeders, I would vigorously oppose it. You believe
humans should

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> >I have no relationship with animals requiring "fiddling".
>
> You believe, as Karen does, that it is right and proper to
> sexually gratify animals by being their sexual partner.
> You endorse and promote zoophilia.

I believe zoophilia requires a pleasure-seeking human. I don't think
Karen qualifies.