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Old 22-08-2006, 04:23 AM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,uk.environment
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Default The reality of fur farming


[email protected] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:22:55 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:

On uk.environment, in , " wrote:

No name in the "From:" header. Only a throwaway email address.

Troll.

article not downloaded:
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Subject: The reality of fur farming


The reality of making automobiles happen: Habitat destruction
on a staggering scale.

From the iron ore mine, limestone quarry, and coal mine needed
to _begin_ the process of making steel, which is necessary
to even _begin_ the process of making an automobile, to the
billionsof acres of land covered with roads, parking lots,
garages and driveways and gas stations and service centers and
parts stores....to the lovely petroleum industry, from well to
tanker to pipeline to refinery to engine...

All of the above (a bare outline of the environmental impact of
the automobile industry) destroy habitat, much of it literally
sterilizes it. Nothing grows on a road.

The animals that lived on that habitat are no more. Billions
upon billions of them. Many of them died and die and will
die, horribly. None can escape and then return to rebuild the
population because there is nothing to return to.

So not only have you killed those animals, but every succeeding
generation of those populations.

All over the world, industrially-caused habitat destruction is
driving entire _species_ extinct, not just populations.

Someone who owns a car is doing thousands of times as much harm
to animals as someone who owns a fur coat.

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Trolls, like this fellow, need not apply.

Especially if they are as clueless as he is.


You're apparently too stupid to understand what he explained.

Like a typical psuedo-progressive, he will not examine the
environmental impact of _his_ pet consumptions.


Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products.


OK, Moshki gets it now.

You are as sick and demented as Leefy says you are.

Why he wastes time talking to you is a mystery; he's no ARA but
he's not as wacky as you, not even close.