"Jim Webster" > wrote in message
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> "Dutch" > wrote in message
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>> "Jim Webster" > wrote in message
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>> >> <dh@.> asked
>> >> > Why do you think we get more browny points for
>> >> > applying the Logic of the Talking Pig than the Logic
>> >> > of the Larder?
>> >>
>> >> "The Logic of the Talking Pig" instructs us to use animals as we see
> fit,
>> >> breed them, pen them up, kill them and make them into patties, if
> that's
>> >> what we want to do, but don't add insult to injury by proclaiming that
> by
>> >> doing so we are doing them a favor, as "The Logic of the Larder" says
> we
>> >> ought to do. That only diminishes us as human beings. This raises the
>> >> question once again, why do you find it necessary to spread this
> gospel?
>> >> What deep-rooted guilt you must feel.
>> >>
>> >
>> > but who actually cares one way or another whether he feels guilt or
>> > not?
>>
>> Like most things, it has relevance in this context.
>
> but it isn't worth wasting however many years bickering about. Wander
> about
> the real world and no one cares

I decide what is worth my time, I don't abdicate that judgment to anyone.

> given the situation in the world with probable global warming, a nice war
> brewing in the middle east and society struggling to cope with energy
> distribution this discussion verges on escapism, especially when it has
> been
> going round and round for so long

What's wrong with escapism?

>> > eat meat if you like it
>>
>> Right, just don't try to claim you did the animal a favour.
>
> now you are back on ideology again,

That's the theme of alt.animals.vegetarian.

> The animal is there

It's not just "there", we arrange for it to be there.

> it is being looked after

I hope so.

> its life expectancy is higher than it would be in the wild because the
> wild
> is pretty rough

The animal is not a wild specie, didn't come from the wild, and under no
circumstances would have come into existence in the wild, so that is an
illegitimate comparison. That's just a watered-down version of the Logic of
Larder where we claim that we do livestock animals a favour by bringing them
into existence.