the foot-rubbing Chelsea harlot wrote:
>>>>> Give up the fake concern,
>>>> You're the biggest phony in the world. I'm not encroaching on your
>>>> territory, Lesley. I'm calling you on it; and you're evading it.
>>> Artificial insemination is rape.
>> It's less a violation that how many animals naturally go about mating,
>
> Nonsense.
For example:
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=231152003
Or watch Discovery Channel some time.
> It is transpecies. The animal experiences penetration.
Why didn't you object to trans-species sexual penetration when we were
discussing the issue with Karen? Why didn't you take her to task for
endorsing such penetration of animals?
>> and it's a hell of a lot more practical in a business like farming.
>
> Like I said...
Your objection to farming is irrational and probably based on watching
Bambi too many times.
>>> A violation you accept for the bloody
>>> mess on your plate.
>> Bloody mess on whose plate? If it weren't for about 0.01% (by weight) of
>> my diet called "fish" or "fish oil supplement," you'd call it vegetarian.
>
> Yet you go about promoting beef.
Certain kinds and cuts to those who wish to keep it in their diet. Shall
I dig up the made-up bullshit you stupidly kept repeating about fat
content of even lean cuts of meat? I proved your absurd claims to be,
just as you always are.
> How bizarre. I think you're lying.
You think science is predicated on lies, too, so what's your opinion
worth. (That's rhetorical, not a question.)
>>> You'd be up there yourself if it was necessary.
>> I'd rather be up there than "way out there" like you are, weirdo.
>
> You'd rather stick your .. whatever .. up a cow, than ... what?
I'm already on the record in complete opposition to bestiality; you're
the one who's only made qualified objections to it. You're also the one
who's "way out there" == meaning you're a ****ing basketcase.
>>> You're the phony. A fake and a liar.
>
> You prove it every time you post this confabulation.
Those are your confabulations.
>> "zero point field" (GUFFAW!)
>> "veganism"
>> "inner earth beings"
>> "hollow earth"
>> that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
>> helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
>> rain forest destruction
>> Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
>> Stolen French flying saucer
>> Zapper
>> Foot massage (as cure-all)
>> Astrology
>> Numerology
>> Alien abduction
>> bestiality
>> Leprechauns
>> Channeling
>> Polar fountains
>> Sun gazing
>> Chemtrails
>> AIDS and ebola conspiracy theory
>> Crop circles
>> sexually aroused by violent ex-convicts
>> participation in skinhead subculture
>> the validity of online IQ tests
>> crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories
>> Jeff Rense for "news"
>> long-debunked legends about "ageless wonders"
>>
>> archived evidence
>
> 'The coherence of the narcissist
You don't understand anything about science, much less psychology --
even if you get it off someone's tripod.com webpage.
<...>
>> of
>
> some of
ALL of it.
>> the above:
>
> Put a quote to each item, liar.
It's already been done. See the annotated versions of the list.
>> Adding another one from below:
>> Irrationally believes "'Immunization' produces disease."
Established!
<...>
> 'A few facts:
> Before the first Salk vaccine trials, polio incidence had already
> declined greatly.
Went through this with shevek. Incidence had NOT declined, but deaths
had (because of the ability to treat polio rather than prevent it):
http://tinyurl.com/qgjrl
> Decline was even greater by the time the Salk
> and Sabine vaccines came into widespread use.
Wrong. From the above:
---------- START CITE -----------
I found US data from 1937 to the present. Starting in 1951, cases were
separated between paralytic and non-paralytic. I've added the two together.
1937 9,514
1938 1,705
1939 7,343
1940 9,804
1941 9,086
1942 4,167
1943 12,450
1944 19,029
1945 13,624
1946 25,698
1947 10,827
1948 27,726
1949 42,033
1950 33,300
1951 28,386
1952 57,879
1953 35,592
1954 38,467
1955 28,985
Does it look like the polio infection rate was declining at the same
rate your source claimed the polio death rate was?
The Salk vaccine was made widely available in 1955. From the data
provided in the following link, there were 415,615 reported cases of
polio in the US from 1937-1955. The data in the following link go
only through 1997. There have been 41,473 reported cases on a very steep
declining trendline from 1955 through 1997. It's been almost *forty*
years since 100 or more cases were reported in the US in one year. There
have been less than 10% as many cases in a half-century since the
vaccine was introduced as there were in just the eighteen years
preceding it. So with rare, isolated exceptions (which occur in
UNvaccinated populations), polio has been effectively eradicated in the
United States.
http://www.post-polio.org/ipn/ir-usa.html
---------- END CITE -----------------
> The intensive
> use in 1958 was followed by more than a doubling of incidence.
And it again more than halved in 1960:
(in case formatting breaks, it's year, paralyic cases, non-paralytic cases)
YEAR PARA NON-PARALYTIC CASES
1957 2,499 2,986
1958 3,697 2,090
1959 6,289 2,136
1960 2,525 665
1961 988 324
1962 792 148
1963 396 53
<...>
>>>>> 'support.our.troops.invading.iraq'.
>>>> More like, support.the.un.doing.what.it.says.it.will.do especially when
>>>> it comes to tyrants like Saddam, Kim Jung Il, and this dipshit running
>>>> Iran right now.
>>> More propaganda. War is peace.
>> Pacifism [edited sp] never won a war or caused peace to reign. It won't help
>> address the following, either:
>
> Warmongering propaganda snipped.
That wasn't propaganda, dummy, those were news accounts of what your boy
in Tehran was saying -- you know, stuff about wiping Israel off the map
and that it would happen soon. Is it ironic that the Israelis are being
hit with Iranian missiles given to Hezbollah just a few months later?
----------- START RESTORE -----------------------
Iran's president has defended his widely criticised call for
Israel to be "wiped off the map".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4384264.stm
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has
described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be
moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska.
The United States, Israel and the European Commission -- along
with individual European countries -- have condemned the remark.
Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in
October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the
Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was
the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was
a myth.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/
The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and
said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after
Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it
successfully enriched uranium for the first time.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat"
to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also
appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really
happened.
"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward
annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference
in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten,
dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said
Israel should be "wiped off the map."
On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust,
saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of
this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have
to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"
The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British
mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the
West Bank, "will be freed soon."
He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the
audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be
freed soon."
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html
---------- END RESTORE -------------
> What needs to be addressed is Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
Especially since the Palestinians' land-for-peace offers have now been
demonstrated to be a load of bullshit. They also didn't help their cause
by electing Hamas to power.
>> Want me to add "holocaust denial" back to your list of kooky beliefs?
>
> Way to admit to another lie, kook.
It wasn't a lie, but you seem to find amity with people like the Iranian
leader who not only deny the Holocaust but seem prepared to start a new one.
>> Would you like me to dig up some of the KCNA/DPRK releases explicitly
>> threatening Japan, South Korea, and the US?
>
> Way to lead by example! You haven't a leg to stand on, hypocrite.
We're not the ones testing missiles over Japan.
>> What would you do to maintain peace when a handful of world leaders and
>> their terrorist allies (Iran funds terrorists and insurgents around the
>> world) threaten to wipe entire nations off the map?
>
> I'd address the root cause. See above.
That isn't the root cause. Ahmadinejad and others have called for
Israel's demise, not for peace between Israelis and Palestinians. They
object to the very presence of Israel. *AND* I don't find al-Qaeda's
demands very palatable or practical (I'm quite surprised YOU do).
Among their demands:
1. The end of Israel.
2. America must convert to Islam (and to their peculiar brand of it).
3. End of electing our own leaders. We must have sharia councils and law.
4. We must embrace the Quaran.
5. We have to "reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality,
intoxicants, [gambling], and trading with interest." UBL says the Jews
are behind all that anyway.
6. We have to oppress our women the same way they do. How would you look
in a burka?
7. We cannot allow Jews to work in the media or in business.
8. End support for the Philippines, India, and Russia; let the
terrorists win there, too.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world...845725,00.html
>>>>> You are in NO position to lecture others
>>>> Yes, I am.
>>> NO,
>> Yes,
>
> No,
Yes.
>> and a lot more so than a violent ex-felon skinhead
>
> You have some gall condemning violence and criminal behaviour.
I don't participate in violence or crime like your husband did (or does).
>> OR his skanky
>
> You're the one lurking in filthy alleyways.
No, I'm a neat-freak. That includes the kinds of people with whom I
surround myself.
>> "hippy" [sic] ex-wife who practices reflexology and believes the earth
>> is hollow
>
> Why does Earth ring like a bell after earthquakes?
We've been through this, so let me paste it in:
--------------- FROM 17 JUN 2006 -------------
The better question, retarded chelsea, is, Why does it rattle like a
garbage can?
These results come from analyzing the earth's normal modes -
ultra long vibrations by which the earth rings like a bell *(or
more precisely rattles like a garbage can)* for days and even
weeks after such a gigantic earthquake. Analysis of long
seismograms shows distinct energy peaks whose height reflects
the earthquake's seismic moment, which gives its magnitude.
Because the magnitude scale is logarithmic, the threefold
increase in seismic moment raises the magnitude by 0.3 units,
making it second only to the 1960 Chile earthquake.
http://www.earth.northwestern.edu/pe.../sumatra2.html
It's called an ANALOGY, and please don't get all worked up by the ANAL
part of ANALogy because it doesn't have anything to do with your bum.
Well, not unless your head is up yours -- and I believe it is.
The point of such an analogy, such a metaphor, is to illustrate the long
period moment, or the wave form of seismic vibrations, that occur
because of significant seismic events. The phenomenon occurs when the
initial seismic energy is sufficient for wavelengths of a significant
fraction of the earth's circumference to be created. Those wavelengths
oscillate and cause the ringing/rattling sound. You can create similar
kinds of wavelengths on any solid mass if it's hit with enough force;
something needn't be hollow because the operative part of the equation
is the FORCE, not the mass affected. With respect to the Sumatra quake
in 2004, the duration of the oscillation is a testimony to just how much
force that quake generated -- not to how hollow the earth is (you
would've felt the earth very seriously move if it were that day, and not
because one of your customers would give you a couple extra pence for a
tip).
----------------------- END --------------------------
>> and inhabited by little green men.
>
> Cite, liar?
None needed. I'm waiting for your evidence that they exist outside the
fantasy=worlds of deluded nitwits and channeling hausfraus.
>>>>> about sanity,
>>>> You have none. The posts about the inner earth beings alone demonstrate
>>>> just how out of touch with reality you are.
>>> You have evidence that it is untrue?
>> Enough with proving negatives.
>
> So you don't know whether it's true or not.
I'm sure this is all over your head, but here we go again:
http://geology.com/nsta/earth-internal-structure.shtml
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/sub...h/Inside.shtml
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/interior/
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...1/22_wobb.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
Etc.
>> I don't require evidence that Aurelia's
>> channeling *isn't* true because the burden is the other way around. I
>> would demand some convincing evidence that would lead her "messages"
>> some credibility, and my standard is higher than the photographs you've
>> linked previously.
>
> Add local ancient mythology...
Mythology -- no matter how local or how ancient -- isn't science, you
dumb ****.
> What you choose to believe is fine by me,
That's because you're not concerned about truth.
> but you're a mind fascist.
You don't even know what fascism is, and your mind is full of shit anyway.
>>> Produce it now,
>> No, dummy, YOU produce evidence that entire civilizations inhabit the
>> same planet we do and hide beneath its crust and into its mantle. The
>> burden is yours to prove their existence. Geology and every other
>> science is against you, but that only seems to make people like you even
>> more "skeptical" of science. Why is that, mental illness?
>
> 'Mysteries of the Inner Earth
> Part 1: The Solid Earth Hypothesis 1. The standard earth model
> 2. Deep drilling springs surprises 3. Mass, density, and seismic
> velocity (09/05) 4. Deep earthquakes 5. Geomagnetism References
> Part 2: The Hollow Earth Hypothesis 1. Early theories 2. Modern
> theories 3. Hollow moons 4. Feasibility -- I (06/04) 5. Feasibility
> -- II (08/05) References
> Part 3: Polar Puzzles 1. The open polar sea 2. The north pole
> controversy 3. Polar land coverup? 4. Flights of fancy
> 5. Auroras and the poles References
> Part 4: Mythology, Paradise, and the Inner World 1. The
> Imperishable Sacred Land 2. Shambhala 3. A northern paradise
> 4. Inner kingdoms References
> ....'
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DP5/inner1.htm
Yet you argue that the list isn't correct! Hahaha!
>>> or admit that you irrationally believe something
>> HAW HAW HAW!
>
> Your list crutch is shattered, as it has been many times before.
How is it shattered when you repeatedly confirm it?! Hahaha!
>> Adding another one from below:
>> Irrationally believes "'Immunization' produces disease."
>>
>> Immunizations prevent disease, you crazy ****.
>
> See above,
No, you see above. Dummy.
>>> you simply don't know.
>> I've taken enough geology to know that what you believe is implausible.
>>
>> http://geology.com/nsta/earth-internal-structure.shtml
>> http://www.enchantedlearning.com/sub...h/Inside.shtml
>> http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/interior/
>> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...1/22_wobb.html
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
>> Etc.
>
> See above.
Did you read any of these links?
>> You showed that you don't understand what you're reading and what a big
>> dope you are back when we first started discussing "polar fountains."
>> You haven't managed to get a grip on it since, either.
>
> I've realized that
So have we all, Lesley.
>>>> Your theme song: http://tinyurl.com/pungn
>>> Whatever that is,
>> Theme from "Twilight Zone."
>
> Back to Bohemian Grove and the satanic rituals conducted there,
> you know - Skull & Bones, Bush, Hitler.. are you a member too?
The stuff at Bohemian Grove isn't satanic (and has nothing to do with
Hitler -- invoking Godwin). It's like a frat=house reunion, where people
do silly things they would never do near prying eyes (juvenile stunts,
not anything untoward). The "Cremation of Care" ritual is mock-pagan,
not satanic, and is about leaving the dull cares of the world behind. I
find all the conspiracy theories about it quite amusing, nevermind the
fact that Alex has turned it into a cottage industry.
>>> you're the one singing it.
>> It's an instrumental. It's not the song by Golden Earring (which does
>> have vocals but isn't the same).
>>
>>>>> morality and decency.
>>>> Two more things completely foreign to you.
>>> Liar!
>> You wouldn't recognize either trait because you're mentally defective.
>
> Liar.
No, I'm correct.
>>>>> You don't give a damn about anyone or anything -
>>>> You say that but then you give a list of people and things I give a damn
>>>> about. Make up your brain cell.
>>> There are exceptions. Or is that too complex for you?
>> Exceptions which negate your claim: family, friends, colleagues, pets,
>> and a whole range of issues. Just because you disagree with me about
>> those issues doesn't mean I'm disingenuous; I just find many of your
>> "solutions" to be worse than the "problems" they're supposed to address.
>> Nevermind the fact that you're a raving twit.
>
> Liar.
No, I'm correct. Your "solutions" would only exacerbate problems, and
you ARE a raving twit.
>>>>> just yourself
>>>> That counts as "anyone," but the "just" part wrongly excludes my family,
>>>> my girlfriend, friends, co-workers, fellow runners and cyclists, and...
>>> All people who feed your own narcissistic needs, i.e. yourself.
>> You have no idea how wrong you are about that, lol.
>
> I know
Then stop it, you dope.
>>>>> and your owners'corporate profits,
>>>> Profit's not a dirty word. It's a very nice word. You profit. It's why
>>>> you get on your moped and pretend you're Born to Be Wild on the way to
>>>> giving foot massages to the gullible people of Ireland.
>>> You spin yarns like
>> I can't top these, Lesley:
>
> No, indeed.
"zero point field" (GUFFAW!)
"veganism"
"inner earth beings"
"hollow earth"
that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
rain forest destruction
Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
Stolen French flying saucer
Zapper
Foot massage (as cure-all)
Astrology
Numerology
Alien abduction
bestiality
Leprechauns
Channeling
Polar fountains
Sun gazing
Chemtrails
AIDS and ebola conspiracy theory
Crop circles
sexually aroused by violent ex-convicts
participation in skinhead subculture
the validity of online IQ tests
crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories
Jeff Rense for "news"
long-debunked legends about "ageless wonders"
archived evidence of the above:
http://tinyurl.com/h0br
http://tinyurl.com/h0bl
http://tinyurl.com/v5p8
http://tinyurl.com/v5pf
http://tinyurl.com/mh5w
http://tinyurl.com/mh6h
http://tinyurl.com/mh6r
http://tinyurl.com/mh71
http://tinyurl.com/mh7a
http://tinyurl.com/mh7j
http://tinyurl.com/mh7p
http://tinyurl.com/v5jj
http://tinyurl.com/v5kd
http://tinyurl.com/v5l6
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5fj
http://tinyurl.com/v5fp
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5ga
http://tinyurl.com/v5gc
http://tinyurl.com/v5i2
http://tinyurl.com/v5gk
http://tinyurl.com/v5h1
http://tinyurl.com/v5h9
http://tinyurl.com/n9r59
http://tinyurl.com/o8uwn
Adding another one from below:
Irrationally believes "'Immunization' produces disease."
>> Adding another one from below:
>> Irrationally believes "'Immunization' produces disease."
>
> See above, killer.
You see above, brainless ****.
>>>>> whore, ill-gotten through lies, mass-murder,
>>>>> theft and destruction.
>>>> You say that like there's something wrong with it.
>>>>
>>>> /sarcasm
>>> You're not being sarcastic.
>> Was too being sarcastic, dummy.
>
> You don't give a damn, scum.
I do; you're just incapable of reasoning with those who disagree with
you about little green men or anything of substance.
>>> You have no conscience, psycho.
>> You couldn't be more wrong about that. Then again, that's your life's
>> story...
>
> Liar.
I'm correct. Your life is one failure after another. You flunked out of
engineering school (because it's based on scientific principles beyond
your grasp) and turned to reflexology instead (because it's NOT based on
science, so it's within your grasp).
>>>>> You have tried to defend and cover up the most
>>>>> heinous crimes against humanity,
>>>> Examples?
>>> Mass murder through 'war'
>> Where's your contempt for those who started it? Oh wait, you think the
>> planes were flown by remote control and it just happened to have some
>> fellows who'd trained in bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan;
>
> You wish to discuss 911? OK. Start by refuting this:
> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones#Critics
>> and that
>> Saddam and his boys were just misunderstood but peaceable people, the
>> mass graves filled with Shias and Kurds notwithstanding;
>
> 'A Stephen C. Pelletiere commentary appeared in the January 31, 2003
> New York Times, yet no one seems to have noticed.
The left-wing loonies you read sure did. Every ****ing leftist
Bush-hating blog has either linked or posted or cited that column.
> Here is part of
> what he wrote about frequent statements that Saddam Hussein gassed
> 5000 Kurds at Halabja in 1991:
>
<...>
> This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it
> came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians.
> Iraq used chemical weapons
Exactly. Meaning they had them at that time. They also had stores left
over from that war which they threatened to use in the Gulf War. Their
intransigence and defiance against weapons inspections as their terms of
surrender in the Gulf war left open the question whether or not they
still had them. They did:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
In addition to the chemical weapons found in Iraq following the
invasion, the following have also been found in violation of 17 UN
Security Council resolutions and against the terms of Iraq's surrender
following the Gulf War:
-500 tons of yellow cake uranium at Saddam's nuclear weapons
facility.
-1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium found at the same place.
-Hidden centrifuge parts and blueprints.
-Two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin and mustard gas.
http://boortz.com/nuze/200508/08292005.html
<...>
>> and that
>> Israelis should sit back and take all those
>
> DU armaments from the USA
We should be sending them even more weapons than we are.
>> Iranian-funded missiles from
>> Hezbollah up their asses and forgive and forget about Shalit and anyone
>> else Hamas and Hezbollah want to kidnap and kill.
>
> You'd like us to forget about the the murders in Gaza
Which ones? The ones in retaliation for suicide bombings? I don't
consider targeting buildings where explosive vests or rockets are being
made to constitute murder.
> and the many thousands
> of Palestinians rotting away in Israeli prisons - including women and children.
You say "children," I say "juveniles." Why are they imprisoned or in
camps? Because they've presented a danger to [you won't say "other
children" so I'll say] Israeli soldiers or Israeli citizens (Arab
Christians and Jews alike). Same for women who are known associates of
terrorists.
>> That's what you wuold
>> consider peace. I consider it suicide when you wait for people who
>> explicitly threaten to annhilate to actually annhilate you before
>> responding (kind of late by then, dummy).
>
> What are you talking about, crazy boy?
That you take terrorists too lightly after they announce their
intentions to harm or kill. UBL issued his threats against the US in the
1990s. He admitted they tried to bring down the WTC in 1993 but failed.
Despite all your lunatic conspiracy theories, he's taken credit (rather,
given credit to Allah) for bringing the towers down in 2001. He
should've been dealt with in the '90s before he could carry out his threats.
>>> DU,
>> Overblown issue because you're hysterical when you see the words
>> "uranium" and "radioactive." You don't understand science, so you're
>> irrationally alarmed by the wholly unfounded claims of activists who
>> think the absence of evidence supporting their unfounded claims proves
>> there's something being hidden. Uhhh, no. It just means their claims are
>> unsubstantiated from everything we know about the subject.
>
> You're lying
No. I've given you plenty of information to debunk the claims of the
activists you were citing.
>>> mercury,
>> When have I defended it?
HELLO?! WHEN THE **** DID I "DEFEND" MERCURY?
>> I've pointed out that the science mitigates the
>> concerns activists have about exposure to methylmercury and that most
>> people should be able to eat fish in moderation without risking their
>> well-being. You're an irrational Chicken Little who ignores the science
>> altogether and goes where the hysteria directs you instead of using some
>> common sense.
>
<snip NONresponse>
>
>>> and yes, pharmaceutical drugs.
>> I know you object to real medicine,
>
<snip pseudoscience non-response>
>
>> but foot-rubbing only helps people
>> relax. While there's palliative benefit from relaxation, reflexology is
>> of no further benefit in treating the diseases for which pharmaceuticals
>> are required.
Established. One of the hallmarks of quackery is the cure-all claim.
http://photoninthedarkness.blogspot....ckery-and.html
<snip pseudoscience non-response>
>>>> You mean by my favoring immunizations that have helped
>>>> eradicate (or just about) diseases like smallpox and polio?
>>> That's nonsense propaganda. 'Immunization' produces disease.
>>
>> Go back and review the thread in which shevek and I discussed the polio
>> vaccine. The data show just the opposite, ****.
>
> See above.
You see above, dummy.
>>>>> the environment,
>>>> Examples? You mean by favoring privatization of all land so people will
>>>> be better stewards of it?
>>> Depleted uranium, grazing the land to death... You don't own the world.
>> Neither do you, but I'm very conscientious about how I treat my own
>> land. Look up "tragedy of the commons" to understand why I would prefer
>> public land to be sold outright to ranchers instead of leased (or in
>> some cases given) to them.
>
> Not your decision to make.
It should be THEIR decision what to do with THEIR land, you ****ing
authoritarian.
>>>>> and animals.
>>>> Examples? I'm especially interested in what you consider heinous crimes,
>>>> aside from people eating meat, wearing fur, or being cured of disease
>>>> via medications and procedures stemming from research. Food, warmth,
>>>> well-being -- what do you find particularly galling about that?
>>> All lies.
>> What do you find objectionable about feeding people, keeping them
>> clothed and warm, and healthy from disease?
>
> Nothing at all.
Then why are you chronically harping about it?
>>> Burning chickens alive,
>> To prevent the spread of avian flu among healthy flocks AND from
>> spreading to humans (which it already had at that point). Your solution
>> would've taken a lot longer, and that would've meant even more harm to
>> other chickens as well as people.
>
> My solution is not to keep chickens in factory farm conditions.
They're not "factory" conditions, they're farm conditions.
>>> killing wild horses,
>> Instead of letting them starve to death. I find it more heartless to let
>> animals of any species suffer and starve than to cull their numbers so
>> they have sustainable populations that can survive in any given ecosystem.
>
> There used to be about two million.
So the hell what. Nature isn't static, and neither are the needs of the
human population.
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>>> wholesale slaughter
>>> of wildlife for whatever spurious reason..
>> If "wholesale slaughter" means re-introducing some measure of population
>> control to a species which has out-reproduced (or soon will) the
>> carrying capacity of an ecosystem, then I'm guilty of that. I'd rather
>> see some good come of deer and pig meat, seal meat and pelts, etc., than
>> have other species (endangered birds, cod, etc.) decline due to pressure
>> from the species whose populations are out of control because of lack of
>> predation.
>
> Your livestock and your fishing.
So?
>>> You're an unfeeling *******.
>> Unfeeling? I've seen what becomes of starving deer.
>
> You've seen deer stuck with the arrows you've shot into them.
Arrow. You usually only get one shot, and the hole created by a
broadhead is sufficient enough to cause death.
>> I've also seen the
>> devastation that over-populated deer can do to their habitat and that
>> the effect of it pushes out other species. That's the case here in
>> central Texas where the deer population's feeding habits are stripping
>> vegetation used by other species, including endangered birds like the
>> golden-cheeked warbler and black-capped vireo. Where do you get off
>> thinking deer have rights to strip an ecosystem bare (and then starve
>> and die off themselves) so that other species are affected or even
>> eliminated?
>
> What happened to their habitat and predators? We know.
People have to live somewhere. I know it's easy for you to sit in your
Irish shack in the middle of nowhere and tell the rest of the world to
live like sardines, but other people should have the same rights to live
where and how they want that you have.
>>>>> You consort with 'strippers'.
>>>> "Consort" is far too strong a word for it,
>>> "****" then.
>> Untrue, I'm not allowed to **** other women (like I said, my girlfriend
>> is NOT open-minded about that kind of thing). Most strippers don't ****
>> the men who visit their clubs. I just look, not touch.
>
> So you only sin in your mind.
Just because I like the scenery, it doesn't mean I want to have sex with
them. Some of them are as skanky as you are.
>>>> especially since my
>>>> girlfriend isn't very open-minded about that kind of thing (with
>>>> strippers or any other woman). I don't find what strippers do to be
>>>> immoral compared to, let's say, trying to convince someone that a foot
>>>> massage is comparable or superior to seeing a real doctor, that a small
>>>> electric device can cure someone of parasites he or she never even had,
>>>> or that meat can never be part of a healthful diet. You're a fraud,
>>>> Lesley. Maybe if you had titties you could make an honest living with
>>>> them instead of being so jealous.
>> You're jealous because they have hotter bodies than you do and they make
>> a more honest living than you ever will because you prey on vulnerable,
>> gullible people and convince them they'll get blue-sky benefits from
>> your quackery.
>
> Go take your meds
I'm not on meds, but you should be.
>>> Crackhead. Rife was curing cancer back in the thirties.
>> Oh, bullshit:
>
>> http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer...News/rife.html
>> http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quacker...0rife-aus.html
>> http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quacker...ndex-vega.html
>
> 'Americans have known, or suspected, for some time, that there
> has been an organized assault by a group, against companies, and
> practitioners, offering alternatives to the drugs/surgery paradigm.
It takes a conspiracy to keep down bogus treatments like reflexology,
Rife machines, zappers, and all the rest of your BS. Nevermind all the
above have failed when put to the test in double blind studies.
> 'Stephen Barrett MD, who the Pennsylvania licensing board officially
> classifies as "Not in Good Standing"...
Since I graduated from an accredited medical school I am
entitled to be called "doctor." I have been licensed in four
states and practiced psychiatry for 35 years before retiring in
December 1993. When I retired, I had my licensed placed on
"inactive" status. Since I retired in good standing, I can
reactivate it simply by paying the licensing fee and obtaining
insurance as required by state law. Bolen would like people to
believe that I misrepresent my credentials, but I don't.
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/bolen2.html
> 'Here is Rife's report:
Rife's microscope is as bogus as his "cancer-killing-machine."
http://amr2you.blogspot.com/2005/07/...lus-model.html
http://www.acahf.org.au/articles/quackery.htm
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> Christopher Bird's 1976' New Age Journal article
Ha! Hardly a peer-reviewed medical journal!
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> The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still bans treatments similar
> to those of Rife.
And for damn good reason -- they don't ****ing work!
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>>>>> You're beneath despicable, 'chico chumpo'.
>>>> That's rich coming from someone as disturbed AND disturbING as you.
>>> That laughable
>> Your grasp of grammar is about as fleeting as your grip on reality.
Established.
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