rick wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "
>
> snippage...
>
>
> >> >
> >> > I don't entirely agree with veg*nism but I do admire veg*ns
> >> > for
> >> > taking
> >> > some responsibility for their consumer habits. If everyone
> >> > followed
> >> > their example the world would be a much better place.
> >> =====================================
> >> ROTFLMAO That's a hoot!!! Tell us what those 'examples' are
> >> dave. Not eating meat does not automatically mean a lesser
> >> impact on animals or the environment! that's been the whole
> >> point I've been making all along. Now, if you can prove that
> >> it
> >> does, be my guest. No one ever has yet, maybe you'll be the
> >> first!
> >
> > I don't entirely agree with veganism precisely because
> > I don't believe that all plant agriculture is necessarily
> > better
> > for animals and the environment than traditional mixed
> > agriculture systems. I admire vegans for taking responsibility
> > for their own consumer habits and avoiding the products
> > they can not condone.
> ===========================
> No Dave, that's the point. They only take exception to meats.

Not necessarily true. By definition vegans take exception to
all animal source foods but some vegans may also take exception
to specific plant source foods.

> They care nothing about the rest of the foods they eat,
> regardless of whether they they cause even more deaths and
> suffering. If they could tell you which foods that they do eat
> cause more'less animal death and suffering then maybe you could
> really admire them.

It is really hard to establish how much animal death and suffering
each individual item in one's diet causes. It is much easier to
follow simple rules and as simple rules go, avoiding all animal
source products is relatively effective.

> Instead, they have no idea waht impact they
> have. All they have is the simple rule for their simple mind,
> 'eat no meat.'
>
> If everyone did that the world would
> > be a much better place.
> ================================
> Tell us how dave.

If everyone took some responsibility for their consumer
habits then the cost to humans, animals and the
environment in producing conusmer goods would be
reduced.

> I've explained that the veagn here do nothing
> but focus on meats. Not a one has ever told us which of the
> foods they can eat cause more/less death and suffering. Why?

See above.

> Because ultimately they don't care about animals. It's all about
> the typical vegan hate for people.

Ipse dixit.