Martin Willett wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > Martin Willett wrote:
> >
> >>ant and dec wrote:
> >>
> >>>Martin Willett wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>First published on http://mwillett.org/mind/eat-me.htm
> >>>>posted by the author
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>A factually incorrect diatribe attempting to justify the consumption of
> >>>meat.
> >>>
> >>>A troll.
> >>
> >>How do you make that out? It strikes me you simply haven't got an answer
> >>to the points I made.
> >>
> >>I get accused of many things, writing stuff full of facts is rarely one
> >>of them. What was incorrect?
> >>
> >>Do veg*ns never use the hypocrisy of eating meat and not wanting to be
> >>eaten as a claim to a higher moral stance? Do you think I *couldn't*
> >>find evidence of such an argument being deployed if I could be arsed to
> >>do so?
> >
> >
> > You probably could but "I don't eat meat in case it causes me to be
> > eaten
> > by an alien" is a misrepresentation of the argument.
>
> I would say it was an instructive re-interpretation of the argument that
> shows how truly fatuous the idea is. Veg*ns will often use the "how
> would you like it if somebody ate you?" line of reasoning (well, they
> think it's reasoning) without going on to flesh out the ramifications of
> the argument. It is an argument by ellipses. You float the idea half
> finished, let it trail in the air, and hope the other person will flesh
> it out in a way that convinces them that you had a point.
>
> Sorry about all the flesh in that paragraph, I can be such a meathead at
> times.
>
> So what does the argument actually mean? It is clearly not a recipe to
> avoid being eaten by aliens as I have shown.

Yes. You have shown that the argument is not a recipe for avoiding
something it was never intended to avoid in the first place. Well done.
:-)

> Any carnivore would prefer
> to eat a vegetarian rather than a carnivore if there was any preference
> at all, and if they were the sort of sickos that got off on the idea of
> eating sentient and intelligent beings they would probably prefer to eat
> the upstanding morally superior vegan rather than the hypocrite who eats
> bacon and tries not to think about pigs. I can conceive of no possible
> scenario in which the alien would eat carnivorous people and invite
> vegans around for an after dinner game of backgammon and a chat about
> the moral superiority of not exploiting animals.
>
> So if it is isn't about a defence mechanism against consumption by
> aliens what is it? An invitation to eat your way to moral superiority?
> "I can out-smug you, but you could join me on this high horse". Come on,
> come clean.
>
> First alien: This roast man is delicious. A vegan, I can tell. I love
> the stuffing.
>
> Second alien: Stuffing?
>
> First alien: Yes, the nut stuffing, really tangy. What did you use to
> stuff it? Nuts, mushrooms, onions a little garlic I think. I can see
> sweetcorn, what else?
>
> Second alien: I didn't have to stuff it. It wasn't empty.
>
>
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> Martin Willett
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