On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:37:36 -0500, Doug Jones > wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:31:44 +0000, Derek >wrote:
>>On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:32:52 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>"Derek" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> The Perfect Solution Fallacy.
>>>> The perfect solution fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs
>>>> when an argument assumes that a perfect solution exists
>>>> and/or that a solution should be rejected because some part
>>>> of the problem would still exist after it was implemented.
>>>> Presumably, assuming no solution is perfect then no solution
>>>> would last very long politically once it had been implemented.
>>>> Still, many people (notably utopians) seem to find the idea of
>>>> a perfect solution compelling, perhaps because it is easy to
>>>> imagine.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_solution_fallacy
>>>>
>>>> Read it and find that you've been wasting your time on the
>>>> collateral deaths issue for years, I'm glad to say.
>>>
>>>Har har
>>
>>There's no getting away from it; the collateral deaths argument
>>against veganism is a fallacy.
>
>Actually, it isn't.

It poses a false dilemma, as described in the definition I've
provided. Your denial or feigned ignorance of it doesn't
escape the fact that while collateral deaths exist ubiquitously
in food production, rejecting veganism as a solution to the deaths
associated with man's diet generally, is specious.

>However, every argument, except for one, *for* veganism is fallacious.

Show how "veganism is fallacious." Don't just declare it like
a petulant child; show how.

>It is not healthier than other diets

Ipse dixit and false.

> it is not more environmentally friendly

Ipse dixit and false.

> it does not cause fewer deaths

Ipse dixit and false.

>and it not more efficient.

Ipse dixit and false.
..
>Each of those arguments falls apart in the face of real data

Then show it instead of making these unsupported claims.

> of which the collateral deaths argument is one.

The collateral deaths argument is specious and debunked.

>The *only* argument for it is "I prefer it." That's the only valid
>one. Everything else is garbage.

That's your opinion, and I don't agree with it.