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Karen Winter wrote:
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> There are Protestant groups such as the Salvation Army, but I don't know
> which denomination they identify themselves with


The Salvation Army is its own denomination. They're an offshoot of the
Methodists, which are an Arminian offshoot out of your church (which,
from the gist of your reply, is even more Arminian than the Wesleyans
are now).

> Parts of what you wrote are good Christian doctrine,


Everything I wrote is sound Christian doctrine.

> and are shared by the Catholic church. The aspect
> which is so stressed in Calvinism, and which is less central to
> Catholic doctrine is:
>
>> because God justifies those whom he
>> previously elected, (Romans 8:30.) Secondly, although by the
>> guidance of the Spirit they aim at the practice of
>> righteousness, yet as they never fulfill the law of God,


I'm fully aware of doctrinal distinctions between Romanist and
Protestant bodies, Karen. I know that your church hates doctrines like
election and predestination, but they're in the Bible and worthy of open
and candid discussion rather than dismissal.

> Catholic doctrine


You don't understand catholic doctrine. You're still a phony who likes
using certain words to describe yourself. Today it's "Anglo-catholic."
In the past it was "Republican" and then "libertarian" and then "green,"
as though there's a coherent strand between those particular labels
you've used to describe yourself.

What about your homosexuality is in keeping with catholic (Anglo-.
Roman, whatever) doctrine? What about your views on homosexual marriage
is in keeping with catholic doctrine? What about your views on abortion
are in keeping with catholic doctrine? What about the way you abandoned
your son to engage in a life of flitting around between dress-up
communes and NAMBLA meetings has been in keeping with catholic doctrine?

You use that label because it makes you feel special, NOT because you're
actually catholic in any sense of the word.

> We are not "utterly depraved" in the Calvinist model.


It isn't the "Calvinist model," it's the Bible:

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that *every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was
only evil continually*.
Genesis 6:5

Behold, *I was shapen in iniquity*, and in sin did my mother
conceive me.
Psalms 51:5

As it is written, *There is none righteous, no, not one*: There
is none that understandeth, *there is none that seeketh after
God*. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; *there is none that doeth good, no, not one*.
Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have
used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth
is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed
blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of
peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their
eyes.
-- Romans 3:10-18

No man can come to me, *except the Father which hath sent me
draw him*: and I will raise him up at the last day.
-- John 6:44

Therefore said I unto you, that *no man can come unto me*,
except it were given unto him of my Father.
-- John 6:65

> We cannot fulfill God's will *perfectly*
> (being human and fallible) but we can fulfill God's will and His
> law in part, with God as our helper.


Synergism.

See: http://tinyurl.com/cg42b

>>> You've said we have no real need
>>> to see the environment as God's;

>
>> When did I say that?

>
> see below


I didn't say what you accuse me of saying.

>>> it's made for humans and we can
>>> do anything we want with it.

>
>> It's for our benefit and welfare.

>
> No, it exists for God's glory. It is not for our benefit.


Ipse dixit and non sequitur. God did not put us here to engage in
extreme austerity. He made us in his image and gave us dominion. He
commanded us to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth. He gave us
plants and animals for our benefit.

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, and *let them rule
over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the
livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that
move along the ground*."
Genesis 1:26

Dominion comes from the Hebrew word "raddah" which means "subjugate,
reign, or rule over."

...God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and *subdue it*.
Genesis 1:28

Subdue is from the Hebrew word "kabash" which means "to make to serve,
by force if necessary."

>>> So why bother with environmentalism?

>
>> I think it depends on how you mean "environmentalism." You most likely
>> mean the old "watermelon" -- green on the outside, red on the inside --

>
> I did not say that.


I said "most likely," and you confirmed as much by suggesting below that
leftist ideology is inherently better for the environment.

>> as if socialism and communism have good track records for air, water,
>> or people.

>
> It depends on where, and what version, especially of socialism. A
> number of socialist countries have better records on the environment
> and social justice than the United States, which has a generally dismal
> record under the last few Republican administrations,


Ipse dixit and false. It was the "last few Republican administrations"
that signed off on tightening both the Clean Water Act (Nixon) and Clean
Air Act (Bush 41). Air and water quality has also continued to improve
over the last 20 years.

> and is rapidly degenerating.


Nice watching your knees jerk every time another Republican is elected.

>> I don't think we need to embrace radical leftist ideology to have
>> clean air and water.

>
> Possibly, but it certainly helps.


Ipse dixit, and the track records of the Left around the world don't
suggest that it would help at all.

>> While you're at it, maybe you can explain why you call yourself a
>> "vegan":

>
> Because I am.


No, you ate chiles relleno in the last couple years. That restaurant
most likely uses battery eggs and commercial cheeses made by farmers who
divert bovine offspring to beef and veal production. Killer.