"RobDar" > wrote in message
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>a very interesting stance...I cannot say that I am well enough
>educated on the topic to comment intelligently...but believe me,
>I am going to look into this!


Here's a few sites to start your research..


http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf


problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm

To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html


here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html








> "Dutch" > wrote in message
> news:g7Mef.520964$tl2.159457@pd7tw3no...
>>
>> "RobDar" > wrote
>>> issue of cd's? not sure I am following....
>>
>> cds = The collateral death and suffering caused to animals by
>> various processes, in the case of commercial agriculture, the
>> use of machines for ploughing, seeding, spraying and
>> harvesting of crops, and the use of organic and inorganic
>> chemicals for the elimination of pests and weeds. The animals
>> harmed can be larger mammals like deer, gophers, and rabbits,
>> also smaller mammals such as mice and other rodents such as
>> shrews, moles and voles. Then there are ground birds, lizards,
>> frogs, and in the case of poisoning, any animal that predates
>> on them. We may even consider bees, ants, spiders,
>> grasshoppers, worms, and other animals of that genre, vegans
>> certainly consider them in their frequent semi-conscious moral
>> calculations. The collateral death toll to animals in food
>> production arguably dwarfs the number of direct deaths of
>> livestock in food production. This all means that the diet of
>> the typical (sub)urban vegan or vegetarian who shops in
>> supermarkets could easily be related to more animal death and
>> suffering than a family who subsists largely on hunting. These
>> often ignored facts cast doubt on the vegan thought process
>> which concludes that consuming even a small amount of animal
>> "product" is a moral stain on one's character.
>>
>> The vegan moral calculation is embodied in the following
>> fallacy, called "Denying the Antecedent":
>> 1) Animal products cause animal suffering
>> 2) I abstain from animal products, therefore
>> 3) I don't cause animal suffering
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>> news:fjgef.509881$tl2.224390@pd7tw3no...
>>>> "Beach Runner" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every
>>>>> VEG*N one behavior. How prejudicial and bigoted.
>>>>
>>>> The family had to be typical of raw-food vegan/ ARAs.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the sure
>>>>> more interesting.
>>>>
>>>> The other family were extreme also, hunting every day and
>>>> eating mostly meat.
>>>>
>>>> The vegan family shopped at a local market, imported nuts,
>>>> fruit, vegetables, seeds, etc.. while the hunters got most
>>>> of their food from the local woods. The issue of cds never
>>>> came up, but I am quite sure that once the hidden collateral
>>>> cost in animal death and suffering was tallied up, the
>>>> hunter family would fare quite well by comparison.
>>>>
>>>>
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