a very interesting stance...I cannot say that I am well enough educated on
the topic to comment intelligently...but believe me, I am going to look into
this!
"Dutch" > wrote in message
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> "RobDar" > wrote
>> issue of cd's? not sure I am following....
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> cds = The collateral death and suffering caused to animals by various
> processes, in the case of commercial agriculture, the use of machines for
> ploughing, seeding, spraying and harvesting of crops, and the use of
> organic and inorganic chemicals for the elimination of pests and weeds.
> The animals harmed can be larger mammals like deer, gophers, and rabbits,
> also smaller mammals such as mice and other rodents such as shrews, moles
> and voles. Then there are ground birds, lizards, frogs, and in the case of
> poisoning, any animal that predates on them. We may even consider bees,
> ants, spiders, grasshoppers, worms, and other animals of that genre,
> vegans certainly consider them in their frequent semi-conscious moral
> calculations. The collateral death toll to animals in food production
> arguably dwarfs the number of direct deaths of livestock in food
> production. This all means that the diet of the typical (sub)urban vegan
> or vegetarian who shops in supermarkets could easily be related to more
> animal death and suffering than a family who subsists largely on hunting.
> These often ignored facts cast doubt on the vegan thought process which
> concludes that consuming even a small amount of animal "product" is a
> moral stain on one's character.
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> The vegan moral calculation is embodied in the following fallacy, called
> "Denying the Antecedent":
> 1) Animal products cause animal suffering
> 2) I abstain from animal products, therefore
> 3) I don't cause animal suffering
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>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
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>>> "Beach Runner" > wrote
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>>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every VEG*N one
>>>> behavior. How prejudicial and bigoted.
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>>> The family had to be typical of raw-food vegan/ ARAs.
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>>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the sure more
>>>> interesting.
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>>> The other family were extreme also, hunting every day and eating mostly
>>> meat.
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>>> The vegan family shopped at a local market, imported nuts, fruit,
>>> vegetables, seeds, etc.. while the hunters got most of their food from
>>> the local woods. The issue of cds never came up, but I am quite sure
>>> that once the hidden collateral cost in animal death and suffering was
>>> tallied up, the hunter family would fare quite well by comparison.
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