<dh@.> wrote
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:52:34 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
>><dh@.> wrote
>>> The best you could do is contribute to future animals,
>>> which is something you would hate to do.
>>
>>"Future animals" do NOT pose any kind of moral issue *unless and until*
>>you
>>agree that they will be bred into existence, then their welfare is a moral
>>issue.
>
> It's not like that for everyone.

That is how it is.

> You "ARAs" decide

You know I'm not an ARA, stop embarrassing yourself.

in advance that
> you believe the animals morally should not be born regardless of the
> quality that their lives would have.

So what? Animals that are never born do not present a moral issue.

> I believe the quality of their lives
> should be taken into consideration.

So do I, *if* they are going to be raised. This idea of yours that they
ought to be born so that we can apply AW principles to them is at the core
of your position and it is moronic.