usual suspect wrote:

> Bumbling Bob wrote:
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>>>>> You're an idiot - an inattentive idiot.
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>>>> I'm very attentive.
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>>>
>>> You're confusing "attentive" for "obsessive."
>>>
>>> For someone that has an eating disorder, OCD is a way of control
>>> over the person's body and therefore, life. The OCD controls
>>> what kind of food goes in, what shape the food is, the color,
>>> the weight, the amount, what the person does in other areas of
>>> life, and so on. By completing the compulsions, the person once
>>> again feels "safe" or protected... until they have to perform
>>> another task again. Often the two problems - OCD and eating
>>> disorders - are linked through the problem of perfectionism.
>>> It's been said that the compulsive actions are a response to
>>> always feeling that nothing the person does is good enough
>>> (whether it has been or not) which has led them to over
>>> compensate for things.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/8vkpu
>>>
>>> Your desire to be a vegan is a pathetic, meaningless gesture to
>>> control your own life. Or in your case, to have a life.
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>> No, many scientists (you're right not all, jut most) believe in global
>> warming.
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>
> No, you're WRONG. What part of EVENLY do you not comprehend in EVENLY
> DIVIDED? Scientists have NOT reached a consensus on the relationship
> between human activities and global warming.


Show me a set of proclaimed independent scientific organizations which
are evenly divided. Don't give me Auto company studies or the like,
which you try to do.

NOA may well have some scientists that disagree, but their official
position, as are most organization, is that human caused global warming
is quite real.

Do you think pouring greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere won't effect
our weather. Do you think changing much of wetlands into asphalt won't
chance the climate? Eco systems are very complicated. For a while
people were killing far too many alligators? Why the problem? Well,
they dig holes during the dry season, and fish live in the holes. When
the wet season comes, the fish reproduce, and eat the grasses.
Otherwise, the wetlands turn to dry lands, and in this case, the
wetlands, which help moderate the temperature, prevented frosts, which
ruin the Florida citrus economy.

Now Florida is being overbuilt and destroyed any ways.

I'm not saying he's stupid, no illiterate. He proofs what he writes and
writes well. He is a mean person though. And an anti Semite.

Now for my typing. People have known me for years. I used to be a
great typist. You had to be to get through grad school before word
processors (then I discovered the DEC 20 and EMACS!). Last year I was
in a car accident (a Mercedes hit my Camry) going 90 mph on a
residential street, turning the car around. He went through 2 fences, a
shed, and finally hit a tree)
that according to the doctors would have killed most people. My
musculature at the time (and people who knew me at the VEGAN
site have pictures of it) saved me. I did lose the feeling and control
in many of my fingers, and couldn't keep working out. So, typing is
much harder. I often let the spell check run and it changes words as it
sends mail. I should probably not do that.

Most people would have died. A residual effect is poor finger control
from neck injury. People that knew me know that my typing was never a
problem. It gets worse if I take the medications prescribed by my
doctors. So US likes to make fun of me. Well, it kept me alive. For
months I couldn't even swim, much less work out, run, or lift weights.
Now I'm limited to swimming. I can't feel my left pinkie.

I tried to avoid pain killers so what did I rely on? Viox? That ended
up being more dangerous than what the doctors were also prescribing and
I was avoided. I have had epidural injection in my back and neck.
Hopefully I will recover more and get in great shape.

I also have a dual Masters degree and was an active musician. My
musicale life was destroyed. I still can help out on the bass since the
spaces are so big, but I worked professionally in a jazz trio on guitar.
Now I can't play the guitar. So make fun of me US when I have a typo.
It must make you a bigger or smarter person. Or does something for you.

Any reasonable research on global warming shows the ocean is warmer, the
glaciers are melting, the permafrost is melting, the temperature is
higher in the last decade, we have more severe storms, the North Pole
melts in summer. These are changes from the last decade. Ignoring the
evidence is not good science.

Yes, temperature variations are expected over time, but not at this
speed, and not with such a vast amount of green house gasses being
pumped into the atmosphere.

As far as a fossil based food system. It relies on cheap oil to
transport food while we waste great farm land with urban sprawl.

Nuclear energy is far too risky. They have a limited life span and we
have no safe way to dispose of the waste. Yucca mountain is stupid, it
is not geologically stable, volcanos have gone off within 100 miles and
an accounting accident, or a rise in the water table we will have a
nuclear plume over the agricultural midwest. Meanwhile we must
transport this waste. Those are subject to accident. Studies have
shown that a tow missile doesn't even need a direct hit to open the
container. Thus they are rolling Chernobyl's.

Yucca Mountain will be toxic for hundreds of thousands or millions of
years. Not long ago it was under the ocean.

Any responsible energy program will rely on solar, wind, geothermal, and
wave energy. But how do you tax the sun. Of course, as McCain points
out, the politicians are in industries pockets so you'll see legislature
that favors big business at the cost of logic and reason.

This cuts across all party lines.

Giving our business to India, China and now Costa Rica means fewer well
paying jobs. Even our R&D is leaving this nation. Oracle and Microsoft
for example, is doing their R&D in Israel. In spite of being surrounded
by 5 hostile nations and subject to both conventional and daily
terrorist attacks. Generic drug company TEVA bought a major US
competitor.

http://www.christiansforbiblicalisra.../page1416.html


Yes, HP is moving it's centers to Costa Rica because India got such bad
press. The fact is, millions of jobs will leave this nation. Who will
pay for all the articles made in China? China, now that we are
dependent on them is getting ready to change the currency rates. Get
ready for huge increases in price.

Oh, who did we borrow our huge deficit from? China. Imagine we had a
surplus! There was no excuse for 911. We had plenty of advance warning.


When we entered WW II, we had few modern weapons, and economic chaos.
But we were a manufacturing king, which is why we won. We converted car
and other lines to make tanks and ships in record numbers. Yet, Germany
still would have won the war if he wasn't a drug addict and listened to
his generals. Opening a front against Russia was incredibly stupid and
ignoring "Jewish" physics cost him his life and country. Luckily
Einstein left before the US and Britain closed it's boarders, not even
filling up the quotas. The embassy official that save Chapel (and
others) was fired for obeying the law. Now he's called a hero over than
60 years later.

Why are we not making B1 bombers? Or at least keeping the assembly line
open. To send a conventional bomber in it takes 14 planes with crews.
It is obvious in today's world we need a stealth plane that can take off
and attack any place in the world without refueling with pin point
accuracy. Maybe if it were made by Boeing? Why did we stop making the
F14D which is still the most lethal fighter in our force. It can
destroy enemy outside dog fighting territory. And, can land on a hook
on an aircraft carrier.


Why did we buy the Boeing fighter, when the Northrop Grumman was far
superior? Later is was acknowledged Boeing makes huge contribution, and
owns lawmakers. We have a corrupt government.


Have we won a war since WW II? Could we? Maybe if we nuke all the
innocent people to get at the few combatants. After entering IRAQ on
lies, and victory was proclaimed, we have not won the war. The latest
"democratic president" was killed and replaced with a Medieval Shiite
cleric that wants death to all infidels. All we did was create hostility
and ammunition for radical Islam.

Eating a vegan diet, a HEALTHY one avoids the problems research
continues to show. Less meat and milk is an improvement. Regardless,
daily exercise is the fountain of youth.

So make fun of my typing. (I can't feel most of my fingers).
Make outlandish claims that disagree with NOA, Nasa, Princeton, and many
other organizations. It will be hard to be a vegan, or a meat eater
with global warming.

It has been shown the FDA has appointed positions and is not truly
protecting American people but rather businesses. Whistle blowers risk
their career to do what's right.

I think if you want to stay on a VEGAN group you should try and show how
to improve a VEGAN diet. Obviously that's not his agenda. A Vegan diet
can be very unhealthy.



I'm sure US will find a typo or grammatical mistake. I'm lucky to be
alive. Unless he's been pushing weights, he'd have probably died.

Steve has seen pictures of me at the 10K race July 4th in Vegas.

Now I have a task, how to get in shape again while damaged. Swimming
clearly isn't enough. But I'll continue to protect against plaque
buildup, high blood pressure and the like with swimming. We now know we
need an hour of daily vigorous exercise if one wants to be 100 and healthy.

Being a VEGAN is a political statement, besides being healthier, it
means we care about the environmental consequences and the unnecessary
meat market industry. It deserves respect. If one can't go all the way
and is just interested in health, lean cuts, exercise, and organic will
go a long way. But yes, VEGAN is a statement, not an illness.

The prostate study was interesting. US made it seem like it was a study
of 30 people, when I re-read it, it was a study of over 5,600 people.
The trend was less meat improved the odds of avoiding prostate cancer.
He manipulated the study.

There is an issue of Omega B3 oil. But it must be balanced with the
vast amounts of Mercury. We need research there. My S/O's was
prescribed an Omega oil that is Mercury free. He said most supplements
claim to be Mercury free but aren't. She works a 10 hour day and takes
care of a dying, proud mother. I'd prefer to monitor my B12 and inject
B12 as needed to keep my levels high.

So, when you see a typo, I'm sorry. Now you know why I make them. It
is because I am alive because I worked out. I didn't used to make them.
People who know me know that to be true, and people have seen my picture.

Steve can see my picture from before the accident. I'll re-send it to him.

And no, I won't eat meat products. I will politely explain why. I
used to be evangelistic and it was ineffective. No I show some health
benefits, people saw my health, and I helped many people give up meat.
Yes, some VEGANS are zealots. I oppose Peta's actions and think they
make enemies of potential friends.


>No, you're WRONG. What part of EVENLY do you not comprehend in EVENLY
>DIVIDED? Scientists have NOT reached a consensus on the relationship
>between human activities and global warming.

Show us the equally divided scientists. I sure don't see it. I see
every major study supports global warming. The only one who doesn't
immediately see it is George Bush, who happens to be in the Oil Business
and friends with Saudis. They are not evenly divided. Especially world
wide scientists. And all scientists will never agree. The evidence is
overwhelming.

Being a vegan is healthy, (if you eat right), better environmentally,
and doesn't support the meat manufacturing industry.

More animals become extinct in the last 10 years, than the last 200.
That is because habitat is being destroyed at an ever increasing rate,
and the Earth's global warming has changed habits.

In summary, I have no idea why US uses his talents to attack and insult
people trying to accomplish something positive. You now know why I make
typos. He has talent, and I wish he would use it for something positive.

In the meantime, I will try and keep this alive as a VEGAN group, try to
lead a low impact life (like telecommuting, composting, and playing for
organizations that need my help pro-bono) And I'm still a father and
that never ends. I hope my son, aged 23 is able to continue to
communicate with me and I can share experience.

That part of life is never over, just the way you do it.


Beach Runner, now just a swimmer.