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> It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that all
> foods can fit into a healthful eating style. The ADA strives to
> communicate healthful eating messages to the public that
> emphasize the total diet, or overall pattern of food eaten,
> rather than any one food or meal. If consumed in moderation with
> appropriate portion size and combined with regular physical
> activity, all foods can fit into a healthful diet.
> http://www.eatright.org/Member/Polic...ndex_21027.cfm
'.. disease rates were significantly associated within a range of dietary
plant food composition that suggested an absence of a disease prevention
threshold. That is, the closer a diet is to an all-plant foods diet, the greater
will be the reduction in the rates of these diseases.'
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...sis_paper.html
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> ----
> When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, "Put out into
> deep water, and let down the nets for a catch."
>
> Simon answered, "Master, we've worked hard all night and haven't
> caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the
> nets."
>
> When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish
> that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners
> in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and
> filled both boats so full that they began to sink.
>
> When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go
> away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!" For he and all his
> companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had
> taken...
'Lection XIV
The Calling Of Andrew And Peter
The Teaching of Cruelty In Animals
The Two Rich Men
...
2. And Yeshua began to preach, and to say, Repent; for the kingdom
of heaven is at hand. And as he was walking by the sea of Galilee, he
saw Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net in the
sea; for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I
will make you fishers of men. And they straightway forsook their nets,
and followed him.
3. And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the
son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their
father, mending their nets; and he called them. And they immediately
left their nets, and the ship, and their father, and followed him.
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_2.htm
> Luke 5:4-9 (cp. John 21 for similar post-resurrection account)
'Lection LXXXIX
Jesus Appeareth At The Sea Of Tiberias
1. AFTER these things Yeshua shewed himself again to the disciples
at the sea of Tiberias, and on this wise shewed he himself. There were
together Simon, Peter, and Thomas, called Didymus, and Nathanael
of Cana in Galilee, and James and John and two other of his disciples.
2. And Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We
also go with thee. They went forth and entered into a ship immediately,
and that night they caught nothing. And when the morning was now
come, Yeshua stood on the shore, but the disciples knew not that it
was Yeshua.
3. Then Yeshua said unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They
answered him, Nay, Lord, not enough for all; there is naught but a
small loaf, a little oil, and a few dried fruits. And he said unto them,
Let these suffice; come and dine.
4. And he blessed them, and they ate and were filled, and there was
a pitcher of water also, and he blessed it likewise, and lo, it was the
fruit of the vine.
...'
reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_9.htm
> He fed fish to hungry followers:
> Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion
> for these people; they have already been with me three days and
> have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or
> they may collapse on the way."
>
> His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this
> remote place to feed such a crowd?"
>
> "How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked.
>
> "Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish."
>
> He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the
> seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he
> broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to
> the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the
> disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were
> left over.
> -- Mathew 15:32-37
'Lection XXIX
He Feedeth Five Thousand
With Six Loaves
And Seven Clusters Of Grapes
Healing Of The Sick
Jesus Walketh On The Water
...
4. And the day was far spent, and his disciples came unto
him and said, This is a desert place, and now the time is far
passed. Send them away, that they may go into the country
round about into the villages, and buy themselves bread, for
they have nothing to eat.
5. He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat.
And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred
pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat ?
6. He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see.
And when they knew, they said, Six loaves and seven clusters
of grapes. And he commanded them to make all sit down by
companies of fifty upon the grass. And they sat down in ranks
by hundreds and by fifties.
7. And when he had taken the six loaves and the seven clusters
of grapes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed and brake the
loaves, and the grapes also and gave them to his disciples to set
before them and they divided them among them all.
8. And they did all eat and were filled. And they took up twelve
baskets full of the fragments that were left. And they that did eat
of the loaves and of the fruit were about five thousand men,
women and children, and he taught them many things.
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_3.htm
> He ate fish himself:
> When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And
> while they still did not believe it because of joy and
> amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?"
> They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate
> it in their presence.
> -- Luke 24:40-43
'Lection LXXXVII
Jesus Appeareth To The Twelve
...
3. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his Heart.
Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
4. For Thomas, called Didymus, one of the disciples, had said unto them,
Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into
his heart, I will not believe. Then saith he to Thomas, Behold my hands, my
heart, and my feet; reach hither thy hands, and be not faithless but believing.
5. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God! And
Yeshua saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast
believed; blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.
6. Then saith Yeshua unto them again, Peace be unto you, as Abba Amma
hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this he breathed
on them and said unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost; preach the Gospel,
and anounce ye unto all nations; the resurrection of the Son of Man.
7. Teach ye the holy law of love which I have delivered unto you. And
whosoever forsake their sins, they are remitted unto them, and whosoever
continue in their sins they are retained unto them.
8. Baptise them who believe and repent, bless and anoint them, and offer
ye the pure Oblation of the fruits of the earth, which I have appointed unto
you for a Memorial of me.
9. Lo, I have given my body and my blood to be offered on the Cross, for
the redemption of the world from the sin against love, and from the bloody
sacrifices and feasts of the past.
10. And ye shall offer the Bread of life, and the Wine of salvation, for a pure
Oblation with incense, as it is written of me, and ye shall eat and drink thereof
for a memorial, that I have delivered all who believe in me from the ancient
bondage of your ancestors.
11. For they, making a god of their belly, sacrificed unto their god the innocent
creatures of the earth, in place of the carnal nature within themselves.
12. And eating of their flesh and drinking of their blood to their own destruction,
corrupted their bodies and shortened their days, even as the Gentiles who knew
not the truth, or who knowing it, have changed it into a lie.
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_9.htm
> Fact: his disciples weren't ARAs, they were fishermen. Fact: he went out
> with them. Fact: he told them where and when to find fish. Fact: he fed
> fish to others. Fact: he ate fish himself.
"The early Christian Fathers did well their work of destroying the
sources and records from which they gathered the information and
data put by them in the Bible. But they failed to destroy it all. Some
escaped, and as it is discovered here and there by patient research
workers, it is astonishing to see how the world has been deceived
by the Christian Fathers.
"The Original Gospel is preserved in one of the Buddhist monasteries
in Tibet, and is written in Aramaic. These 'correctors' (men authorized
to 'correct' the text of Scripture in the interests of what was considered
orthodoxy) cut out of the Gospels with minute care certain teachings
of Our Lord's which they did not propose to 'follow, namely, those
against flesh eating, such as accounts of our Lord's interference, on
several occasions, to save animals from ill treatment, and even the
interesting and important teachings ever prominent in Eastern
scriptures." - Rev. G. J. Ouseley
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_intro.htm
> Consider the Passover seder:
> On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was
> customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked
> him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you
> to eat the Passover?"
>
> So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the
> city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow
> him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks:
> Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my
> disciples?' He will show you a large upper room, furnished and
> ready. Make preparations for us there."
>
> The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as
> Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
> -- Mark 14:12-16
>
> Did he forbid the lamb? No, he and his disciples partook in the custom
> of killing and eating a lamb on Pesach.
'Lection LXXV
The Last Paschal Supper
...
4. And Yeshua said, With desire have I desired to eat this Passover
with you before I suffer. and to institute the Memorial of my Oblation
for the service and salvation of all. For behold the hour cometh when
the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.
5. And one of the twelve said unto him, Lord, is it I ? And he answered,
He to whom I give the sop the same is he.
6. And Iscariot said unto him, Master, behold the unleaven bread, the
mingled wine and the oil and the herbs, but where is the lamb that Moses
commanded? (for Judas had bought the lamb, but Yeshua had forbidden
that it should be killed).
7. And John spake in the Spirit, saying, Behold the Lamb of God, the
good Shepherd which giveth his life for the sheep. And Judas was
troubled at these words, for he knew that he should betray him. But
again Judas said, Master, is it not written in the law that a lamb must
be slain for the passover within the gates?
8. And Yeshua answered, If I am lifted up on the cross then indeed
shall the lamb be slain; but woe unto him by whom it is delivered into
the hands of the slayers; it were better of him had he not been born.
9. Verily I say unto you, for this end have I come into the world, that
I may put away all blood offerings and the eating of the flesh of the
beasts and the birds that are slain by men.
10. In the beginning, God gave to all, the fruits of the trees, and the
seeds, and the herbs, for food; but those who loved themselves more
than God, or their fellows, corrupted their ways, and brought diseases
into their bodies, and filled the earth with lust and violence.
11. Not by shedding innocent blood, therefore, but by living a righteous
life, shall ye find the peace of God. Ye call me the Christ of God and ye
say well, for I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.
12. Walk ye in the Way, and ye shall find God. Seek ye the Truth, and
the Truth shall make you free. Live in the Life, and ye shall see no death.
All things are alive in God, and the Spirit of God filleth all things.
13. Keep ye the commandments. Love thy God with all thy heart, and
love thy neighbour as thyself. On these hang all the law and the prophets.
And the sum of the law is this- Do not ye unto others as ye would not
that others should do unto you. Do ye unto others, as ye would that
others should do unto you.
14. Blessed are they who keep this law, for God is manifested in all
creatures. All creatures live in God, and God is hid in them.
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_8.htm
> Even if you refuse to accept the
> fish and lamb, consider the following:
> A man with leprosy came to him and begged him on his knees, "If
> you are willing, you can make me clean."
>
> Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched
> the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately the
> leprosy left him and he was cured.
>
> Jesus sent him away at once with a strong warning: "See that you
> don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest
> and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your
> cleansing, as a testimony to them."
> Mark 1:40-44
'Lection XV
Healing Of The Leper And
The Man With Palsy
The Deaf Man Who Denied
That Others Could Hear
1. AND it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold
a man full of leprosy, who, seeing Jesus, fell toward the earth,
and besought him, saying, Lord if thou wilt, thou canst make me
clean. And he put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, Blessed
be thou who believest; I will, be thou clean. And immediately the
leprosy departed from him.
2. And he charged him saying, Tell no man: but go, and shew
thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as
Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. ...
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_2.htm
> So Christ commanded animal sacrifice on at least one occasion.
'Jesus Enters Into The Pure Oblation
With His Disciples
The Last Supper
...
And still another asked of Yeshua: "Why dost thou abolish the
blood sacrifices of the law, and, yea, the eating of flesh as Moses
commanded that we do lawfully?"
And Yeshua, looking at them and perceiving their evil hearts
hardened with love of riches and vain glory, and without mercy
or natural affection, said unto them: "I know not that Moses
commandeth such as lawful unto you, nor doth the Holy Law
of God change for the desires of men, for Moses spoke not
these words, ye hath made into law! "
...'
http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/T...st_Part_4.html
> And why
> did Mary and Joseph offer sacrifices upon the birth of Jesus?
'Lection VI
The Childhood And Youth Of Jesus the Christ
He Delivereth A Lion from The Hunters
1. NOW, Joseph and Mary, his parents, went up to Jerusalem
every year at the Feast of the Passover and they observed the
feast after the manner of their brethren, who abstained from
bloodshed and the eating of flesh and from strong drink. ..
...'
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_1.htm
> Conclusion: Jesus was NOT vegetarian, nor did he do anything consistent
> with the animal rights or "vegan" position.
'Jesus Condemns Animal Sacrifice
Shows It To Be From Satan And Not God
And after many other things were said and done, Jesus returned
to the city, and looked upon the innocent creatures of God awaiting
slaughter as daily sacrifice in the temple at Jerusalem. And he said
unto his disciples and many people that had gathered around them,
for everywhere Jesus went, crowds surrounded him to listen and
hear his wisdom:
"Behold these poor innocent beasts of thy earth, they harm not
themselves, nor man, nor any other creature. Yea, they eat the
green vegetation of the field, sinless and without blood guilt they
have remained since their creation. Faithful and obedient they
remain to their masters in hope that Humane feelings be their
reward in life, but instead they receive every hurt and death at
man's hand.
Lo, the lust of ignorant and stubborn man brings them down
in death and much blood, that men may satisfy the lusts of their
own flesh. Such men have hearts, but know them not, for they
have become like their idols of stone, hard and vain.
"Woe to such blasphemers who reject the Holy Law of
the sacredness of all life! Woe to such blind guides with
hearts of stone, who use their eyes to lust after things they
need not nor are lawful unto them!
For they transgress the Law of Moses to maketh themselves
fat on the flesh and blood of innocent victims, that God
commanded them not even since the beginning! Woe be unto
this very temple built by human hands, for the Temple made
without hands is here in their midst, but they see or hear not!
"For I come to end all sacrifice and bloodshed and tell ye, it.
ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath
of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your
fathers in the wilderness, who under Moses lusted for flesh,
which they ate to their fulness. and were filled with rottenness,
and the plague consumed them according to their evil desires.
.......'
http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/T...st_Part_2.html
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> The passages in Deuteronomy and
> Leviticus which deal with the issue of humane treatment of animals are
> consistent with an AW position, not with AR.
"The Nazarean -... They acknowledged Moses and believed that he had
received laws - not this law, however, but some other. And so, they were
jews who kept all the Jewish observances, but they would not offer
sacrifice or eat meat. They considered it unlawful to eat meat or make
sacrifices with it. They claim that these Books are fictions, and that none of
these customs were instituted by the fathers. - Epiphanius (Panarion 1:18) '