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Skanky wrote:
>>>>>>>>You don't need to know much nutrition to go veg*n
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just like one doesn't need to know much nutrition to go anorexic or

>>
>>>>>>>bulimic or to go any other eating disorder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eating vegetarian is not an eating disorder. That is a lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>Veganism IS an eating disorder. You want a website? Try this one,
>>>>>numb nuts:
>>>>>
>>>>>www.orthorexia.com
>>>
>>>He calls sever underweight a desease. He does not mention veganism

>>
>>It’s great to eat healthy food, and most of us could benefit by
>>paying a little more attention to what we eat. However, some
>>people have the opposite problem: they take the concept of
>>healthy eating to such an extreme that it becomes an obsession.
>>I call this state of mind orthorexia nervosa: literally,
>>"fixation on righteous eating."
>>http://www.orthorexia.com/index.php?page=katef
>>
>>He continues on that page with a series of questions, nearly all of
>>which are apropos to veganism:
>>
>>Do you wish that occasionally you could just eat, and not think
>>about whether it’s good for you? Has your diet made you
>>socially isolated? Is it impossible to imagine going through a
>>whole day without paying attention to your diet, and just living
>>and loving? Does it sound beyond your ability to eat a meal
>>prepared with love by your mother – one single meal – and not
>>try to control what she serves you? Do you have trouble
>>remembering that love, and joy, and play and creativity are more
>>important than food?

>
> What the above describes is
> simply the situation of someone
> who is the only vegan for miles
> around.


No, it does not. It describes a situation in which an individual's
preoccupation with healthful eating becomes an unhealthful obsession.
Whether that person has others around her with a similar eating disorder
is irrelevant. They're equally dysfunctional. Birds of a feather.

> Of course they are
> going to feel out of place and
> awkward when having to deal
> with what others try to insist on
> feeding them.


The more you write, Skanky, the more I know you're orthorexic. The
operative part isn't *feeling awkward*, it's that someone even feels
someone else is insisting on feeding her something she considers "bad."
This is true regardless of what someone's repulsion is: fat, sweets,
meat, or micrograms of animal-derived ingredients. In that sense,
veganism is the apex of orthorexia because the disordered eater is
trying to avoid foods which may not even be of animal origin; and, if
the ingredients are of animal origin, they're in such small quantity
that virulent objections are irrational and completely out of place.

> That's only part
> of the above though. This bull
> about love, joy, etc. makes it
> sound like automatically a
> person is doing something
> wrong if they don't give them
> priority over their food, as
> though all can't exist at the
> same level of priority as each
> other.


Food offered out of love, such as when a mother cooks a meal or treat
for her child, should not be rejected because it contains small amounts
of ingredients which the child would never use. The child is not
shunning the objectionable ingredients, but the love with which such
food is offered. Similarly, one is very disturbed when she obsesses over
the inclusion of certain ingredients rather than over enjoyment of the
food. That is the disorder, Skanky. It's an obsession, and it's unhealthy.

> It makes it sound like
> there is something wrong
> with anyone who pays a lot of
> attention to their diet.


There *is* something wrong with irrational obsessions like vegans have
in rooting out every microgram of animal ingredient -- even to the point
of eliminating ingredients which one isn't sure are of animal origin.

Do you think this "buzz" clown is mentally healthy with his obesession
about whether or not honey might be in his incense? And how about his
response where he seems to indicate he's more concerned about bees than
his own health? Nevermind. I remember your response to information about
the toxins in your marijuana smoke.

>>Consider the question asked in the "party ideas" thread, and one of the
>>replies to me in it. Ordinary people don't have a dilemma when it comes
>>to having a party. They provide a variety of foods which should appeal
>>to most people. Here we have a vegan who insists others adopt her eating
>>habit (disorder) when visiting her new home or apartment. It's nothing
>>at all like someone who doesn't like a particular kind of food, it's a
>>blanket objection to entire groups of food most people in our society
>>don't find objectionable.

>
> If a vegan is holding a party
> that you are attending, of course
> you should expect to be served
> vegan food.


If vegans will be the only ones in attendance. Some party that would be.

> Just as when you
> go to a meat eater's party, you
> should expect that if you're
> vegan, you might or might not
> find stuff to eat (eat a bit before
> going out just in case).


I've never gone to any party where I couldn't find something I could eat.

>>I politely stated that I cater to my guests' tastes rather than my own
>>in situations like that. There are certain foods which I don't like, but
>>I know my guests do. *I*'m entertaining *them*. They wouldn't be
>>entertained by off-putting statements about my likes or dislikes, nor
>>should they be subjected to disapproval of their own choices of food (or
>>drink; I provide alcohol at most of my parties and gatherings, but I
>>don't drink).

>
> You need meat and booze to
> lure people to your parties.


No, I don't.

> Considering your personality,
> I'm not surprised.


I have more friends than you, and I've no fears which prevent me from
being with any number of them at any given time.

>>The reply from Ron was typical of the vegan eating disorder: "So you go
>>out and slaughter a steer just to appease the blood hunger of your
>> guests?"

>
>>Mentally disturbed people like Ron believe they should subject guests in
>>their homes to irrational lectures about veganism. Not only do they
>>forbid themselves of certain foods, they deny it to others and impugn
>>them incessantly for even wanting it.

>
> Who said anything about lecturing
> guests?


That goes hand-in-hand with veganism. It's not enough to say, "No,
thanks." Vegans ALWAYS condemn and impugn others for their dietary choices.

>>They have disorders their pursuit is so extreme that they, and those
>>around them (e.g., party guests), don't enjoy themselves. They're too
>>busy trying to avoid micrograms of animal parts that enjoyment is
>>completely lost.

>
> And you know this because.....
> how many vegan parties have
> you attended?


Quite a few, and I was so put off by the holier-than-thou attitudes at
the Vegetarian Network of Austin pot-luck I attended that I refuse to
ever go to one again. I see they haven't changed:
All are invited to our potlucks for fun and fellowship with
other vegetarians and those interested in learning more about
it. Families, couples and single folks are welcome!

Please bring a vegan (no dairy or other animal products) dish to
serve 8 to share. Also, no diningware is provided, so please
bring a plate and utensils.

In respect of those folks with allergies, please refrain from
wearing perfume or heavy scents.
http://www.vegnetaustin.org/

>>>>>See also:
>>>>>

>
> http://www.compulsiveeating.com/vege...disorder.ht m
>
>>>"Family, friends, clinicians, and vegetarians themselves, need to know
>>>that the potential exists for vegetarianism and veganism to mask an
>>>eating disorder," Morand said.

>>
>>Correct.
>>
>>
>>>This doesn't mean vegetarianism is the
>>>cause of an eating disorder, or that people shouldn't adopt a vegetarian
>>>lifestyle, but it may be a way for the individual who is struggling with
>>>food and weight issues to justify her or his restrictive eating

>
> behaviours.
>
>>>He does not call it a eating disorder.

>>
>>Dr Bratman does.
>>
>>
>>>There are plenty of healthy vegans.

>>
>>Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Veganism is an eating disorder.

>
> According to the questions you
> quoted near the top of this page,
> if a vegan is still feeling love and
> joy etc. in her/his life, then they
> don't have this (non medically
> accepted) disease.


No, and I'm not surprised your reading comprehension is so poor that you
would say that. Pay attention to this: "Do you wish that occasionally
you could just eat, and not think about whether it’s good for you?"
Similarly, one could ask a vegan, "Do you wish that occasionally you
could just eat, and not think about whether or not it has micrograms of
animal parts?" And the part about eating A SINGLE MEAL cooked by your
mother is also important. Not a "vegan" meal cooked by your mother, but
A SINGLE MEAL without any consideration for the ingredients but only for
the love your mother is showing you. Vegans have a rigidly unhealthy
obsession with food. It is an eating disorder.

>>>There are more unhealthy meat eaters dieing of cancer and heart desease.

>>
>>Vegans die of cancer and heart disease, too, dummy.

>
> Not as much.


Ipse dixit. What's the death rate of meat-eaters? 100%. What's the death
rate of veg-ns? 100%. Both groups die of the same diseases; some meat
eaters, particularly those indisciminate in their choices, tend to die a
bit younger. Veg-ns, though, can also die younger because they're at
higher risk of certain cancers. Show the whole picture, Skanky, and
there's really no difference especially if you compare apples to apples
by comparing healthful diets which include meat to healthful vegetarian
diets. (You've always refused to do that.)

> You know that too.


I know enough to distinguish between healthful diets which include meat
and unhealthful ones which exclude meat.

> The reason you used to eat
> vegan was for health and
> aesthetics. Even now you only
> have a little fish infrequently.


The fish I've eaten was healthful. I've not turned down meals prepared
for me by family members or my friends just because they use foods I
normally don't. I don't obsess about my food like you do.

> The rest is vegan food you eat.


Food is not vegan. Food is food. Like vegans, you have an unhealthy
obsession with food. You're not a "vegan wannabe," you're an "eating
disorder wannabe." You have orthorexia, Skanky.