"Rupert" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Rupert" > wrote in message


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>> >>
>> >> Now do you see why the vegan claim of less- or cruelty free
>> >> is
>> >> an empty one?
>> >
>> > No. Additional plant production is required for animal food
>> > production.
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>> No, fool, it is not required. There is NO requirment to feed
>> crops to cattle for beef.
>>
>
> Point taken. For *most* animal food production.
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Point missed. There is still no 'requirement' to feed them any
crop foods, and many of them do not get any.


>
>>
>> > I don't see that you've argued against the claim that
>> > veganism
>> > minimizes your contribution to animal suffering. Do you
>> > believe
>> > you
>> > have plausible figures for the death toll required for a
>> > vegan
>> > diet and
>> > for a meat-based diet? Why don't you give them?
>> =================
>> Hey wait a minute, YOU claimed to have done all the research
>> and
>> made this determination! Where's your numbers? Oh, right,
>> you
>> lied. You have nothing.
>>
>
> Actually, what I claimed was that I had looked at some
> information, and
> felt I had good reason to think that veganism was probably the
> best way
> to minimize my contribution to animal suffering. Also, I have
> linked to
> an article which has some numbers in it.
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Which doesn't back up your claim to have made a difference.


>
>>
>> >
>> >> If the vegans
>> >> place a value on a single life of a single creature, then
>> >> using soy in whatever form
>> >> renders that value meaningless.
>> >>
>> >> Moreover, this kind of wholesale destruction for crop
>> >> production is far more "inhumane"
>> >> than the factory farming of a large hog operation. The hogs
>> >> aren't sliced and diced,
>> >> squished, starved, out of water, or evicted from their
>> >> "nests".
>> >
>> > They are kept in small crates too narrow from them to turn
>> > around. They
>> > are deprived of straw and other sources of amusement. They
>> > suffer
>> > greatly from boredom. Their tails are docked without
>> > anaesthetic. They
>> > stand on either wire mesh, slatted floors or concrete
>> > floors,
>> > which are
>> > unnatural footings. They suffer from poor air quality due to
>> > poor
>> > ventilation and accumulating waste products. They are often
>> > abused at
>> > the loading and unloading stages of transport. Furthermore
>> > it
>> > takes
>> > eight pounds of protein in hog feed to generate a pound of
>> > pork.
>> >
>> >> A HUMAN is there every
>> >> single day to feed them, water them, call the vet, clean up
>> >> after them, and even talk to
>> >> them. Their slaughter, when it's time, is quick. Their meat
>> >> is
>> >> nutritious. Every part is
>> >> used. Not like the waste left behind the combine, made of
>> >> chemicalized soy.
>> >>
>> >> Does this answer your argument?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No.
>> ================
>> Brainwashing too tight, eh killer?
>>
>
> No, it doesn't answer my argument for the reasons I gave.
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LOL You've been given the info. That you wish to remain
willfully ignorant is plain to see.

>
>>
>> See, I told you Leslie....
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Cheers 2 U,
>> >>
>> >> Leslie
>> >> "Only two things are infinite: the universe and human
>> >> stupidity.
>> >> And I'm not sure about the former.".... Albert Einstein
>> >
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