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Rubin
 
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"rick" > wrote in message
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> "Rubin" > wrote in message
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>> OK, think of it this way. The ONLY way to even come close to causing,
>> or contributing to, animal deaths is this: To live in the wilds
>> somewhere, no fire (possible forest fire), no electronics, liqueur,
>> cigarettes, bug spray, ad infinitum. The only thing you could eat would
>> be some leaves, nuts, berries etc., but not too much, animals compete for
>> those same resources. Maybe you could eat carrion, if you really wanted
>> to.
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>> Obviously, that is not feasible, as well as being pretty damn silly. So
>> your choice becomes: an industry that kills 1000s of animals per acre to
>> feed the minority, or an industry that kills dozens (tops) per acre for
>> the majority?
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>> Now, you next main problem with the "suffering", vegan side or meat eater
>> side. You have no way to prove that all, or even a majority, of
>> livestock, suffer at all. By the same token, meat eaters use figures
>> skewed or spun to make their side look better. Terms like "up to" and
>> "as many as". No problem at all, the choice is an individuals to make.
>> Preaching only makes people dig their heels in.
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>> You must admit crop production causes death and suffering, as any meat
>> eater will tell you some animals suffer because of their decisions.
>> There is no way to avoid it, from either side.
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>> I have no problem with the "health vegan",

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> Problem is, there really is no 'health' vegan. Veganism is NOT a diet.
> It is a philosophy, a way of life.
> Diet plays no more or less a part than any other aspect of your life.
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>> health benefits, they usually aren't preachy. It is the hippie vegans
>> that act like Jahova Witnesses and try to convert you using half the
>> facts, and half of those wrong, that make my ass pucker.
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Note the "quotation marks" and the "supposed health benefits", then get back
to me.